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white4s

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Nov 15, 2011
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It just amazes me. I stayed away from here for a while because of it but I think it's time to stay away again, at least until the jailbreak comes out which is the only forum I care about here.
 

P0stalTek

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It just amazes me. I stayed away from here for a while because of it but I think it's time to stay away again, at least until the jailbreak comes out which is the only forum I care about here.
I must admit. I don't even know why I need to jailbreak anymore, but I too await it's release eagerly.
 

chucker23n1

macrumors G3
Dec 7, 2014
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pretty stupid to compare a phone to a house but it doesn't matter because it's my choice so do you & i'll do me.

Yeah, I mean… on a phone, you put photos, addresses, mail, and other personal stuff. You'd never do that with a house.
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most people I know do not use passcodes and I work in a computer repair store in a town of about 15,000 people.

Yikes.

I guess I hope they either don't have any e-mail, contacts or photos of others on their phone. I for one would be pissed if someone were so wantonly negligent to put personal info of mine on a device that they publicly carry around without any security measures whatsoever, not even a freaking four-digit code.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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Yes, if your finger is laying perfectly on the button. But that's not always the case.
We are talking pressing the home button? Doesn't seem like that much perfection or complexity is involved-something that iPhone and iPad users have been using and doing even more than sliding to unlock.
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Yeah, I mean… on a phone, you put photos, addresses, mail, and other personal stuff. You'd never do that with a house.
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Yikes.

I guess I hope they either don't have any e-mail, contacts or photos of others on their phone. I for one would be pissed if someone were so wantonly negligent to put personal info of mine on a device that they publicly carry around without any security measures whatsoever, not even a freaking four-digit code.
Who cares how other people use their devices?
 

bpeeps

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May 6, 2011
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Do you carry cash? It's your responsibility to physically secure your phone.
[doublepost=1473862243][/doublepost]Just when I was getting ready to comment on the stability of macOS Sierra GM, I update my Iphone to iOS 10.0.1 and the idiots have removed the slide to open feature. Instead, the simplest way to get to the home screen is to push the homebutton twice and do it at the proper speed. You can't do it too fast or the Iphone will not open. Personally, I'd like the home screen to open directly when I push the side button. If Apple would provide options, rather than cavalierly change things, I'd be much happier.

Using touch id does make it easier; however, I've found touch id fails depending on the condition of my fingers.
Cash can't even be compared to the loads of data, personal information, family and friends information, apps, photos, etc stored on your phone. You're comparing apples to Ford F150's.
 

chucker23n1

macrumors G3
Dec 7, 2014
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Who cares how other people use their devices?

Hey, how 'bout you give me some photos of yours drinking at a club, your address, your phone number from way back when, your ex's name, and some random e-mails about you hate your previous boss. I'll print it out and dump it somewhere at a train station.

Cause, hey, who cares, right?

It's not (just) about the owner's privacy. It's that a phone almost certainly contains contact info about friends, family, colleagues. And they don't get any say in how their data is suddenly treated, so have the decency to at least put some basic security before that.
 

bpeeps

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I don't follow. I will however add that I do carry cash, not often, more often I pay with ApplePay which requires a passcode on the phone.

It's a terrible analogy they used to show that you physically protect cash and you should do the same with your phone, thus negating the use of non-physical security prevention such as a passcode. Completely stupid.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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Hey, how 'bout you give me some photos of yours drinking at a club, your address, your phone number from way back when, your ex's name, and some random e-mails about you hate your previous boss. I'll print it out and dump it somewhere at a train station.

Cause, hey, who cares, right?

It's not (just) about the owner's privacy. It's that a phone almost certainly contains contact info about friends, family, colleagues. And they don't get any say in how their data is suddenly treated, so have the decency to at least put some basic security before that.
Then perhaps those people could have a say of that's what they want to do?

How about plenty of devices being there for educational and entertainment and other needs that don't even involve personal information stored on them? No need to worry about answering that question as it's a rhetorical one simply to demonstrate that there are many different ways in which many different people use their own devices.
 

stooovie

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Nov 21, 2010
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What I find deeply confusing is that to open a notification, you use 3D Touch when unlocked and swipe right when locked. It's like it was before, but for some reason, I expect 3D Touch to work in both modes.
 

boltjames

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May 2, 2010
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Hey, how 'bout you give me some photos of yours drinking at a club, your address, your phone number from way back when, your ex's name, and some random e-mails about you hate your previous boss. I'll print it out and dump it somewhere at a train station.

Cause, hey, who cares, right?

It's not (just) about the owner's privacy. It's that a phone almost certainly contains contact info about friends, family, colleagues. And they don't get any say in how their data is suddenly treated, so have the decency to at least put some basic security before that.

The point is that it is up to the owner to determine the level of security on his device.

Apple provides plenty of options, many degrees of security, they have not done anything wrong in this regard.

BJ
 

chucker23n1

macrumors G3
Dec 7, 2014
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How about plenty of devices being there for educational and entertainment and other needs that don't even involve personal information stored on them?

Sure — if your smartphone has no contacts, no e-mail, no photos of others, no phone calls, no social network apps, really just "education and entertainment", leaving out the passcode is a sensible trade-off.
 

boltjames

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May 2, 2010
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Sure — if your smartphone has no contacts, no e-mail, no photos of others, no phone calls, no social network apps, really just "education and entertainment", leaving out the passcode is a sensible trade-off.

You seem to be riffing on personal decisions made by end users which is not germane to this thread. Unless your point is that it's Apple's job to police against identity theft and force it's consumers into security levels they do not want? Is that what you're saying?

BJ
 

white4s

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Nov 15, 2011
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Yeah, I mean… on a phone, you put photos, addresses, mail, and other personal stuff. You'd never do that with a house.
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Yikes.

I guess I hope they either don't have any e-mail, contacts or photos of others on their phone. I for one would be pissed if someone were so wantonly negligent to put personal info of mine on a device that they publicly carry around without any security measures whatsoever, not even a freaking four-digit code.

anyone can walk up to a house & open the door. no one can walk up to your phone & open it
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I must admit. I don't even know why I need to jailbreak anymore, but I too await it's release eagerly.

i need activator & swipeselection the most. i set up activator to where i rarely use the home button

oh wait i have to use the home button now just to unlock my phone
 

bniu

macrumors 65816
Mar 21, 2010
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we're about as in the minority as you are one of those people who cares TOO MUCH what others do. If we lose info/data because we choose not to use touchid then that's OUR problem, not yours or apples. Who are you to tell someone what to do with their phone? I mean really you're the type of person that gives iphone users a bad name.

Hey, chill out. I don't care what you do with your phone. You got it right, you not using Touch ID is your problem. All I said is Apple is not going to allocate resources to address this. That's all.
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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Hey, chill out. I don't care what you do with your phone. You got it right, you not using Touch ID is your problem. All I said is Apple is not going to allocate resources to address this. That's all.
To be fair, Apple already provides resources to support it all by allowing people to use their devices without a passcode or TouchID, so it's already a supported feature that Apple works on. Whether they will change things or anything like that, that's a different story. But the perfectly valid case of someone not using a passcode or TouchID is one that Apple themselves supports by providing that very ability.
 

chucker23n1

macrumors G3
Dec 7, 2014
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To be fair, Apple already provides resources to support it all by allowing people to use their devices without a passcode or TouchID, so it's already a supported feature that Apple works on.

This is true, but they nudge users in a certain direction, increasingly strongly encouraging setting up a passcode. Whether it's recommending it in the setup assistant, or disabling some features altogether without it enabled.
 

Retired Cat

macrumors 65816
Jun 12, 2013
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Ok I have to admit that after a few days, I don't like the "press home to unlock" feature on my phone, which does not have TouchID.

Sometimes I click the button and the passcode screen doesn't come up, so I click again and it somehow activates Siri. It's a weird timing issue that happens occasionally but it can be annoying.
 

aced411

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Jun 2, 2007
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People have a huge problem with my OPINION in the other thread about this change. God forbid someone doesn't like something & people have a problem with that. This is the problem with people these days, everyone gets offended & no one respects other's opinions.

I wasn't aware that it's mandatory to accept changes that make something harder for that person.
Tell me about it. It's like some hardcore fans patrol the forums and pounce on anyone that dares to express criticism of anything Apple does.
 

mi7chy

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2014
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I'm more curious why a familiar feature was suddenly removed. Maybe Apple doesn't want to license the feature it stole from Neonode.
 

boltjames

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May 2, 2010
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my complaint is nothing compared to what others complain about. nice try though

Pushing the home button to unlock the screen is one of the things Apple got right. Your pink SE has Touch ID, use it, solves all your problems.

BJ
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I'm more curious why a familiar feature was suddenly removed. Maybe Apple doesn't want to license the feature it stole from Neonode.

Because easy access to Widgets off of the lock screen is actually the very best new feature of iOS 10 and it's made possible by eliminating swipe-to-open which most people don't use anymore because of how good Touch ID is.

BJ
 
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