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The noise? If you do that, the thing is gonna sound like a jet engine in your room.

If they weren't so darn obsessed with anorexic design, the pros could be happy with the power now while Ive and co continue to shave millimetres every six months. By the time they are happy, the hardware would have shrunk enough to keep both desirables satisfied... power & design

The oMP was a pretty truck. The nMP is just pretty.
 
nmp is a sprinter van

Well, we agree on the van part. :)

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There's no reason for a change of form factor. The tube is great. They don't have to reduce the volume or the size, they don't have to reduce the amount of ports since they are not making it any smaller. It'll come with TB3, updated GPU's CPU's SSD's and Memory. Just like we expect it to be. Phil said this is the form factor for the next 10 years.
This my prediction too. It's implausible that Apple would introduce a new form factor when there has only been a single model shipped. The simplest easiest & most cost effective route is to ship a new model with upgraded internal components just like they have always done with every other Mac.
 
nmp is a sprinter van

But Steve mentioned no vans...
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Anybody knows exactly which nMP help pages were retired ? Might offer some clue reg what may change..IF...there is a Mac Pro update
 
I don't think they will release another Mac Pro or Mac Mini.
They will force you to just buy an iMac or a Macbook Pro instead. That's it!
The Mac Pro should be updated anually. Did did not happen! It does not have any priority... Sad but true.
How many customers even know about a Mac Pro or a Mac Mini? Most customers would mention an iMac or a Macbook to do video editting.
 
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Apple is going nowhere, all they're working on is iphone, watch bands and minecraft on apple tv. Oh and emojis of course.

Scratch Minecraft off your list, lets not give Apple credit for what Microsoft is working on :)
 
Makes sense since it's better for business.

But I really don't want Apple to go the Steve Ballmer route of just making the board of trustees happy.
Personally, I'd love to see Apple going the Steve Ballmer route.

If I remember right, Steve Ballmer LEFT MICROSOFT and made way for new leadership in the form of Satya Nadella.
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Steve Jobs was the kind of person to drop truth bombs and jolt the system and fire people on the spot for screwing up. There was a reason he did this. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but someone needs to do that.
Great idea, here is the address for Apple so you can drop your own truth bomb:

Apple
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
(408) 996–1010

Write to them. If enough people do this, maybe they will listen. :)

PS: I'm doing exactly this with a letter of my own. At the moment, it is approaching 3,000 words long, and it isn't finished yet.
 
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If they weren't so darn obsessed with anorexic design, the pros could be happy with the power now while Ive and co continue to shave millimetres every six months. By the time they are happy, the hardware would have shrunk enough to keep both desirables satisfied... power & design

The oMP was a pretty truck. The nMP is just pretty.

...no, they'd still be damn loud. The HP Z1 workstations we have are much, much thicker than the post 2012 iMacs we have and they are also much, much louder when they're going full tilt. I imagine they will still get your work done faster since they won't be as likely to throttle while they're wailing like a banshee, but still. Sure, I imagine Apple could put its design chops to making something quieter than HP, but you're still fighting basic laws of thermodynamics. The nMP is an impressive design because it had to basically reinvent a form factor to actually work as intended; barring some significant rethinking of an AIO design I don't see any way you're going to get enough power for the people who demand bleeding edge performance into those designs.* Meanwhile, the iMac already *is* the iMac Pro for most use cases. The only reason to have gotten a Mac Pro even in the last few years of the cMP was if you needed gobs of ECC RAM, a lot of internal storage, and could leverage multiple cores. Even for most pros, that's a shrinking set of uses (shrunk further by Apple's own narrowing of its product line.) Especially since Apple has stepped up its game recently and has been pushing out great monitors and basically giving the panel away (making the lack of a standalone display even more sad...) if you're a visual professional you're getting a lot more out of them out of the box.

*The Surface basically just seems like it's an oversized Mac mini with a monitor attached, and its geared to a more specific use case than even the Mac Pros, so it's not exactly a revolutionary next step for the form either.
 
There's no reason for a change of form factor. The tube is great.

Not as a workstation.

Maybe if it had one i7 processor, one gfx card and sold for under $1500 as the long sought after headless x-mac or mac mini pro.

The trashcan in no way shape or form is a suitable replacement for the MacPro tower.

It does less and costs more as well.
 
Lack of a second CPU...

How much would a dual Xeon cost these days? The prices are pretty horrifying. The Mac Pro is a great design concept, though, I'd love an i7 version of it, but it also requires a ton of custom PCB.
 
Do you guys remember when Tim took over and wanted the work environment to be friendly?

We need Darth Vader in that company...fear will keep things operational.
 
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...no, they'd still be damn loud. The HP Z1 workstations we have are much, much thicker than the post 2012 iMacs we have and they are also much, much louder when they're going full tilt. I imagine they will still get your work done faster since they won't be as likely to throttle while they're wailing like a banshee, but still. Sure, I imagine Apple could put its design chops to making something quieter than HP, but you're still fighting basic laws of thermodynamics. The nMP is an impressive design because it had to basically reinvent a form factor to actually work as intended; barring some significant rethinking of an AIO design I don't see any way you're going to get enough power for the people who demand bleeding edge performance into those designs.* Meanwhile, the iMac already *is* the iMac Pro for most use cases. The only reason to have gotten a Mac Pro even in the last few years of the cMP was if you needed gobs of ECC RAM, a lot of internal storage, and could leverage multiple cores. Even for most pros, that's a shrinking set of uses (shrunk further by Apple's own narrowing of its product line.) Especially since Apple has stepped up its game recently and has been pushing out great monitors and basically giving the panel away (making the lack of a standalone display even more sad...) if you're a visual professional you're getting a lot more out of them out of the box.

*The Surface basically just seems like it's an oversized Mac mini with a monitor attached, and its geared to a more specific use case than even the Mac Pros, so it's not exactly a revolutionary next step for the form either.
I wasn't talking about the z1s and the iMac...I was talking about the oMPs and the nMPs
 
For nMP owners, Apple now sells a TB3 to TB2 adapter. It brings the new port to older systems. That should mean nMP gets full speed access to USB 3.1 devices and half speed access to TB3 devices (if they are capable of using all that speed anyway).

It means the Akitio Node should be able to connect to the nMP (and other pre-2016 Macs with TB).

Sierra is required for the adapter to work.
 
For nMP owners, Apple now sells a TB3 to TB2 adapter. It brings the new port to older systems. That should mean nMP gets full speed access to USB 3.1 devices and half speed access to TB3 devices (if they are capable of using all that speed anyway).

It means the Akitio Node should be able to connect to the nMP (and other pre-2016 Macs with TB).

Sierra is required for the adapter to work.
Still worth buying nMP with discount?
 
How much would a dual Xeon cost these days? The prices are pretty horrifying. The Mac Pro is a great design concept, though, I'd love an i7 version of it, but it also requires a ton of custom PCB.
No? The Xeon range is expansive. Why would you think it costs a fortune?
 
For nMP owners, Apple now sells a TB3 to TB2 adapter. It brings the new port to older systems. That should mean nMP gets full speed access to USB 3.1 devices and half speed access to TB3 devices (if they are capable of using all that speed anyway).

Do we know this for a fact? We know that the adaptor can be used to connect TB3 devices to TB2 ports, but I didn't see anything written about it supporting the USB 3.1 protocol. Although the physical connector is the same, it seems slightly unclear (and unlikely, in my view) if you can plug a non-TB USB-C device into this and have it operate at all, much less at USB 3.1 speeds.
 
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