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Take a 14” MacBook Pro chassis, take the MacBook Air logic board with an M3 chip and stick it inside. Now with all the bells and whistles of the MBP strolled away there’s a massive volume gap inside to make the battery colossal! Give me a 40 hour battery life :)
Just curious. I have had Apple laptops since the Duos, and have never felt a need for a colossal battery. Once battery life reaches 8-10 hours I would prefer a lighter box, all other things equal. Or did I miss a /s tag?
 
They can't release the TB MBP with the M3. That's just utterly ridiculous.

Surely they must've now scaled down the 14 inch model.

I mean who on earth would buy that? Not even corporates with the MBA around now.
 
It could certainly happen. And “old” is a relative term. As long as it’s still useful then the small performance difference between old and new is largely irrelevant.

People buy “old” second hand cars because they’re perfectly suitable for their needs. People buy second hand electronics because they’re sufficient for their needs. Contemporary new computers still use “old” 10th and 11th generation Intel chips because it’s good enough for the device’s expected usage.

”Old” does automatically mean obsolete. Something is obsolete only when it’s no longer viable for the function it was intended for.

M3 does not automatically make M2 or even M1 obsolete. It simply offers an overall, but not drastic, performance advantage.
Even though that's true / rational, most people and consumers don't behave this way, especially when it comes to consumer tech.

If Apple announced a 15" MBA with an M3 chip around the same time / shortly after a Mac Pro w/ a M2 "Ultra+", irrational or not, it would probably make those Mac Pro users feel sore about it. Doesn't mean their Mac Pros are obsolete, old, or suddenly no longer efficient. But if you're dropping $10k+ (?) on a Mac Pro, you don't want to feel at all raw/sore soon thereafter.

So I think very unlikely Apple would do that, especially to their highest-end consumers.
 
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Because people generally upgrade their mac a lot less regular than their phones and the phones are Apples bread winner
Apple is not expecting everyone that bought an M2 air to upgrade yearly. They’re expecting very few to. That’s not their intended audience.
 
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Apple is not expecting everyone that bought an M2 air to upgrade yearly. They’re expecting very few to. That’s not their intended audience.
Saying why should the mac be any different…

The iPad is different refreshing every 18 months and AirPods every 2 years.

The iPhone equates for over half of their overall sales, with services coming in second, the mac generates a fifth in revenue of the iPhone, that is why we get a new phone every single year, the Mac line up not so much… and that is for a variety of reason with the 2 main reasons being that iPhones are purchased far more regularly than Mac’s by consumers, and generally people hold onto macs for far longer than they do their phones.
 
I wonder when macbooks will get wi-fi 7. I'm holding out until at least then.

2025?
 
Heck, I will buy you an M3 MBA if you want to swap the low end MBA for a high end M2 MBP. Sure, performance if an MBA is good as long as you like the lesser display, the lesser audio, less ports, less RAM and do not need to drive 3 external displays.
The ports aren't an issue as we can always use a dock. Monitor wise, I'll only ever need 2 max - if even that.

Audio not too fussed about as I always use external speakers. The display is the only thing that would put me off.

It's just the weight of the 16" MBP that's putting me off.
 
I just want a 15" Air - I don't care which 'M' is inside. ;) My M2 Air flies for what I need, so let's go!
Yes I only want a large screen MacBook at a reasonable price. Would like over 15, but my wife's 13 is very sharp, so maybe 15 might be ok.
 
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Even though that's true / rational, most people and consumers don't behave this way, especially when it comes to consumer tech.

If Apple announced a 15" MBA with an M3 chip around the same time / shortly after a Mac Pro w/ a M2 "Ultra+", irrational or not, it would probably make those Mac Pro users feel sore about it. Doesn't mean their Mac Pros are obsolete, old, or suddenly no longer efficient. But if you're dropping $10k+ (?) on a Mac Pro, you don't want to feel at all raw/sore soon thereafter.

So I think very unlikely Apple would do that, especially to their highest-end consumers.
The m2 was announced 3 months after the m1 ultra Mac studio
 
General production began, It takes months to reach yield rates suitable for mass production.

TMSC began qualification many months earlier in 2022. Apple has purchased all the production in 2023 so it makes sense that TSMC qualified the process using one or more of Apple designs.
 
My m1 is still blazing even on 8 gb :) but people on here know better and will say it’s ancient and it’s slow as paint drying probably. But totally agree! I want the 15! Let’s go ! 😁
That thing is a DINOSAUR! 😂😂😂

Seriously though, I am hoping my M2 MacBook Air will last at least 5 years, and my M2 Pro Mac mini will last at least 7 years.
 
Can't believe M3's are already here. I feel like the M1 just came out. Last few years after covid really warped time in my brain though.
Yeah, but it's because the M1 is soooo good. My M1 Air is still as snappy as the day I got it. I literally haven't maxed it out with any workloads (front-end dev, backend and such).
 
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to have a look at these chargers. I thought the large one was needed due to it being an MBP.
The MBP chargers are sized to allow for fast charging. My 14” M1 Pro MBP ships with a 96W charger because that’s what it takes to fast charge it, but in reality a 60W charger is more than enough to power the laptop and recharge the battery at the same time (it just won’t be as fast).
 
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The m2 was announced 3 months after the m1 ultra Mac studio
Yeah fair enough. So the timeline was:

- M1 Macbook Air (Nov 2020)
- M1 Pro / Max 14"/16" Macbook Pros (Oct 2021)
- M1 Ultra Mac Studio (Mar 2022)
- M2 Macbook Air (Jul 2022)
- M2 Pro / Max Macbook Pros (Jan 2023)

I would add that the M1 Ultra Mac Studio was already 1.5yrs after the first M1 Macbook Air announcement... And I think the consensus was that the Macbook Pros and Mac Studios were supposed to come out earlier but for supply chain issues... (Before the M1 Pro MBPs came out, there was conjecture on whether they'd go straight to M2 Pro given it was almost a year...) But you're right, Apple did something similar.

I think most likely timeline from here:
- 15" MBA (w/ M2) and Mac Pro (w/ M2 "Ultra+") released this summer
- M3 Refreshed 13" and 15" MBA released early 2024 (so >6 months later)
- M3 Pro / Max Macbook Pros (Q2/mid-2024)
 
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Yeah fair enough. So the timeline was:

- M1 Macbook Air (Nov 2020)
- M1 Pro / Max 14"/16" Macbook Pros (Oct 2021)
- M1 Ultra Mac Studio (Mar 2022)
- M2 Macbook Air (Jul 2022)
- M2 Pro / Max Macbook Pros (Jan 2023)

I would add that the M1 Ultra Mac Studio was already 1.5yrs after the first M1 Macbook Air announcement... And I think the consensus was that the Macbook Pros and Mac Studios were supposed to come out earlier but for supply chain issues... (Before the M1 Pro MBPs came out, there was conjecture on whether they'd go straight to M2 Pro given it was almost a year...) But you're right, Apple did something similar.

I think most likely timeline from here:
- 15" MBA (w/ M2) and Mac Pro (w/ M2 "Ultra+") released this summer
- M3 Refreshed 13" and 15" MBA released early 2024 (so >6 months later)
- M3 Pro / Max Macbook Pros (Q2/mid-2024)
I think with m3 we'll get back on a normal cadence.

I personally think theres too much competition at the high end to delay the m3 pro/max into mid 2024.

Sure the m2 blows laptops out of the water, especially for its wattage, but the 13900k is no slouch and Apple needs a response.
 
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I think with m3 we'll get back on a normal cadence.

I personally think theres too much competition at the high end to delay the m3 pro/max into mid 2024.

Sure the m2 blows laptops out of the water, especially for its wattage, but the 13900k is no slouch and Apple needs a response.

It'll be interesting to see. Apple sort of needs to keep up with showing off the maximum performance. Consumers should care about performance per watt where Apple Silicon excels, but it's easy for people to compare an AMD 7940 type chip or intel 13th gen eeking out a "win" over Apple with like 5-10% more performance at double the wattage.
 
I wonder when macbooks will get wi-fi 7. I'm holding out until at least then.

2025?
IEEE’s public timeline for 802.11be calls for final ratification no earlier than March 2024. We don’t have a public timeline from the Wi-Fi Alliance. 2025 at the earliest seems like a good bet.
 
Yeah the rumours are all over the place but it makes sense for Apple to bring the larger Air with M2, then refresh both sizes a year from now alongside the M3 iPad Pros in Spring 2024.

Otherwise if they launch M3 now you have to ask yourself what chip the new iPad Pros in spring next year is going to have… and one things for sure it won’t be M4.
No change to Air please, just leave it as is. Apple has too many laptop models already. they should kill some models.
Air (1 screen size), Pro (2 sizes) that's it.
Apple Chips are powerful enough that Air can serve most people.
 
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