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Jobsian

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Jul 30, 2009
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Would seriously appreciate if anyone had any knowledge on whether the 1.8GHz CPUs mentioned on both Ultimate 11" and 13" can be different CPUs with different TDPs.

Don't want an 11" Ultimate running hot, my 2010 11" is always cool and silent.
 

PaulWog

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Jun 28, 2011
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Would seriously appreciate if anyone had any knowledge on whether the 1.8GHz CPUs mentioned on both Ultimate 11" and 13" can be different CPUs with different TDPs.

Don't want an 11" Ultimate running hot, my 2010 11" is always cool and silent.

The 2010 and 2011 Macbook Airs likely have very similar cooling capabilities, despite the size difference.

That said, let's just wait and see.

Apple isn't the kind of company to have a successful product, and ruin it by coming out with a revision which overheats.
 

Hellhammer

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Dec 10, 2008
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Would seriously appreciate if anyone had any knowledge on whether the 1.8GHz CPUs mentioned on both Ultimate 11" and 13" can be different CPUs with different TDPs.

Don't want an 11" Ultimate running hot, my 2010 11" is always cool and silent.

Both appear to use 17W.
 

bp1000

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Jul 7, 2011
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I hope this is wrong

I want an upgrade option to 8gb and a backlit keyboard.

I also saw a rumour on 9to5mac of a new hinge design.


Worryingly there have been no tweets in the UK about blacked out mac stores and apple only confirmed lion for today. Perhaps our wait will be longer still.


Please 8gb of ram optional upgrade! Please.....
 

jackyyeow

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Jul 5, 2011
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Apple isn't the kind of company to have a successful product, and ruin it by coming out with a revision which overheats.
Yes, but look at the 2010 vs 2011 MBP 13". 2011 MBP running hotter and noisier.

Not to confuse with overheating. Running hot doesn't mean they'll overheat.
 

clyde2801

macrumors 601
Well, this isn't confirmed, except by Mr. X. I'd list this as more rumors.

If true, I can see why there's not a keynote for it. Including TB and new chips (since Intel's going to quit making c2d's) and no new features like a backlit keyboard, and et cetera.

May have to just wait and see what the reviews and benchmarks show. I suspect that unless you're doing some heavy lifting CPU wise, there may not be much of a difference. I.E., safari, mail and pages not not seem too snappier.

Oh well, at least I'll have a diversion in putting 10.7 on my '10 11".

If someone hasn't bought an air yet, and was planning on using it for typical lightweight consumer (not prosumer) purposes, may be a good time to go on CL and pick up a used '10 for a good discount.
 

Jobsian

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Jul 30, 2009
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The 2010 and 2011 Macbook Airs likely have very similar cooling capabilities, despite the size difference.

That said, let's just wait and see.

Apple isn't the kind of company to have a successful product, and ruin it by coming out with a revision which overheats.
True, but the current 2010 13" models run hotter and (I'm not sure about this as I was in a noisy Apple store) possibly louder than the 11" models.

So you're right, it's not ruining it so much as that the 11" is more comfortable and quieter.
 

KillerTree

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Jul 27, 2008
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Cheers dude.

That's a bit concerning for me given that the current 11" only goes to 10W TDP and the 13" 17W TDP. And from what I gather, the 2010 13" Airs run hotter than the 11".

17W includes both the GPU and CPU on the Sandy Bridge. 10W only included the CPU.
 
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bp1000

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Jul 7, 2011
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From what i gather SandyBridge chips run hotter on average than than the c2d, defiantly under load.

Only an assumption looking at other SB equipped laptops. But i dont think this is going to be a major problem, apple won't ruin their air because of the issue.
 

Jobsian

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Jul 30, 2009
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Ah, sorry guys I've forgotten about the extra 10 or so Watts TDP on the current Airs from the 320m.

17W will be a total reduction then from the previous models shouldn't it? That said, why would Apple then not push the 13" with more TDP?

Edit - KillerTree just beat me to it!
 

theSeb

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Aug 10, 2010
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If these specs are indeed correct, then around 18 out of the last 20 rumours surrounding the 2011 MBA have been incorrect. In a nutshell I may as well stop reading the front page and just read the people's wishlists on this forum. They are just as likely to be correct. :(
 

bp1000

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Jul 7, 2011
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17W will be a total reduction then from the previous models shouldn't it?

That said, why would Apple then not push the 13" with more TDP?

To reduce the chances of the chip reaching its max junction temperature allowing it to run at full clock speed with longer periods of boost without premature scaling back because of excess heat.

Its wiser than sticking a faster chip in there that constantly scales because of heat i think.
 

getyup

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Jul 2, 2011
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So now the $10,000 (hopefully not) question. If right now the "Ultimate" CTO 11" is $1299, what do you think the new will be? My personal guess is with 256 and 4GB and the highest processor, $1499 ... SSD for 256 is pricey.

Thoughts?
 

mrklaw

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Jan 29, 2008
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Worryingly there have been no tweets in the UK about blacked out mac stores and apple only confirmed lion for today. Perhaps our wait will be longer still.


Please 8gb of ram optional upgrade! Please.....

don't see any major need for blackouts - new minis are likely to look like minis (and often aren't visible in stores anyway), new MBAs will look like old MBAs. Its not like a new product launch after a big announcement. Did they do blackouts when they spec bumped the MBPs?
 

ascender

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Dec 8, 2005
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Would be brilliant if UK stores got stock of the new machines on release day whenever that is, but just can't see it. Although on the flip side, if MBAs have been ready but were waiting for Lion, you never know.

Although that story doesn't quite add up as until the final Lion is ready, the machines won't be imaged....
 

iZeeshan

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Nov 22, 2010
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I'm just glad that the base 13" has 4 gigs of ram.

And considering how low-end the low-end 11" inch is (only 2 gbs of RAM), I expect all the prices to be dropping by a $100. It only makes sense. I highly doubt anyone would want to pay $1000 for a machine with only 2 gbs of RAM.

The article did say that there were little to no changes, so I'm hoping the "little" is the backlit keyboard.

If we get that and a lower price point, I couldn't be happier. Of course, I'm going to get the base 13" anyway, so what does Apple care. Hopefully, I'll just end up being happier in the end, but my main worry has been settled.

I'm not too good with ghz, so I'm guessing the 13" has the i7?
 

getyup

macrumors 6502
Jul 2, 2011
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Would be brilliant if UK stores got stock of the new machines on release day whenever that is, but just can't see it. Although on the flip side, if MBAs have been ready but were waiting for Lion, you never know.

Although that story doesn't quite add up as until the final Lion is ready, the machines won't be imaged....

Good point. I'm guessing they'll just give download codes... IF they even update airs. There's no reason to hold back when App store can push the installs.
 
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