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Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
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Indianapolis
Actually, the Conslole is extremely helpful in troubleshooting a problem, DLL Hell not being one of them. Unlike Windows apps, OS X apps do not install DLLs in shared folders scattered randomly throughout the OS, so that you don't have application bits and fragments disseminated all over, making updates more vulnerable to complications.

The ads do indirectly illuminate Apple's presence as a competitor - which only helps Apple, in that consumers who had previously wandered by their stores, will now more likely be enticed to wander in to have a look for themselves. With over 51% of purchases made by previous Windows users, anything which channels attention toward this strategy is certainly welcome.
Can you elaborate?
 

MyDesktopBroke

macrumors 6502
Jun 2, 2007
396
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I think he means that in OS X, you can uninstall an entire application by dragging the launch icon into the trash.
 

300zxjpm

macrumors newbie
May 2, 2009
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I wish Apple would take more heart to these commercials and get with the times. The commercials are true and I believe they have the ability to offer an even better product if they took these real world situations and applied them to there product.

P.s. the new macbook pro needs a quieter mouse pad, and the cd burner sounds like my old xbox overheating,...I wish I didn't get rid of my old pro
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
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I wish Apple would take more heart to these commercials and get with the times. The commercials are true and I believe they have the ability to offer an even better product if they took these real world situations and applied them to there product.

P.s. the new macbook pro needs a quieter mouse pad, and the cd burner sounds like my old xbox overheating,...I wish I didn't get rid of my old pro

I know how you feel. I really thought the design of the previous gen macbook pro was the best combination of good design and a professional look. They pretty much had perfection. The new one is way to flashy looking for my taste.
 

FieryFurnace

macrumors 6502
Sep 19, 2008
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Berlin, Germany
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Don't ever believe there's anything a PC can do that a Mac can't (except when it comes to high-end gaming). Apple has a very significant user base and Macs are very popular among developers. On top of that, it's pretty easy to port things from Linux to OSX. Everything exists, so don't give me this semen load of "THEN WHY CAN'T MY MAC DO THIS?!"

Gaming is a huge business, Apple would love to have a share of it, I guess.

And what about 3D modeling?
I would love to have 3ds Max and SolidWorks for OSX,...
 

dlastmango

macrumors 6502
Oct 17, 2004
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West Coast - FLORIDA
FCP on old macbook

I edit professionally every day on my 13 white MacBook. 2.0 Ghz Core duo with 2gb of ram. there are times i hook it up to a 20" Cinema display but on the road editing is what I mostly do. Works like a charm.

Chris
 

skeep5

macrumors 6502a
Mar 16, 2006
560
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AZ
You know what blows my mind about all these ads, other than their inane stupidity?

The fact that they're Microsoft ads, where they're supposed to be advertising WINDOWS and the OS is never even a FACTOR in any of these ads. The entire reason of Apple's existence is because of their software. Hardware is a secondary thing. Yet these ads are solely about the cheapest possible hardware that fulfills random bullet points that are convenient. Guess what? Some PC will ALWAYS be able to beat out a mac with that ridiculous comparison.

These ads are so incredibly intellectually dishonest. Instead of arguing the merits of Windows over OSX, its down to advertising for HP, etc. Pretty damn pointless. At least mac ads attempt to point out differences between the 2 Operating systems (as well as not pretending to be candid 'home video' footage, which is extremely insulting to the intelligence)

Amen, and amen. Apple ad: we're better than you, sorry. Microsoft ad: Oh yeah? I'm a cheap date!
 

Wikinerd

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2008
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some pcs have more bloatware (as you call it) but 10 minutes customizing a pc goes a long way. Apple users don't customize their computers?

Customization and removing bloatware/installing security patches, installing antiviral software, defragging, check for registry errors, etc are different.

——and those points that you quoted are recommended by reputable tech news organizations. (plz see the links a few pages back...)

Mac users are often walked through a quick setup procedure that can be called "customization". This "customization" does not involve fixing anything that Microsoft left out and removing bloatware.

If only that were true.

Actually that is true. Apart from a few plist files that you might want to keep, yes, that uninstalls the whole application.

Gaming is a huge business, Apple would love to have a share of it, I guess.

And what about 3D modeling?
I would love to have 3ds Max and SolidWorks for OSX,...

I'm guessing if it weren't for the tight hold Microsoft has on DirectX... Or else they would've lost gaming too--

God damn, why do people keep bringing this up? It hasn't been an issue for almost 10 years now.

Really? Last time I had to reinstall it was because of hal.dll corruption... hmph...

Lots of fud there.
I especially like windows restarts itself 3 tiimes a week. Funny my desktops do the same exact thing but only after it downloads and installs updates.
Arguing about drivers is ridiculous. i never understood why anyone would want to use an OLd driver when a new driver can be download in a couple of minutes.
windows bad; mac good

Partly because of the inconsistency of where the drivers can be downloaded from?
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
Actually that is true. Apart from a few plist files that you might want to keep, yes, that uninstalls the whole application.
We've been over /Library/Application Support and other nonsense already.

Lets hope nothing makes it into /bin, /sbin, or /usr/bin.
 

Wikinerd

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2008
389
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We've been over /Library/Application Support and other nonsense already.

Lets hope nothing makes it into /bin, /sbin, or /usr/bin.

Most of the other apps don't use them. If you want to be sure though you can always use AppZapper but that's for some of the other apps that put files in Application Support. Even so they'll make such a minute difference that you can free up more space by just deleting a document from your downloads folder.

And no. I've never seen anything making their way into /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin if they're one of the "simple" drag-the-app-from-the-dmg-to-app-folder apps...
 

Wikinerd

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2008
389
0
I'd blame the software developer for that one.

No that's not Microsoft in this case. In OS X you'll get a something similar in the Application Has Unexpectedly Quit dialog if you want to dig into it.

No—I believe his point is that DLLs generally create more problems than they solve. Esp. since that the problem they're created to solve is now gone.

(why compile them into libraries when you can easily troubleshoot file by file?)
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
No—I believe his point is that DLLs generally create more problems than they solve. Esp. since that the problem they're created to solve is now gone.

(why compile them into libraries when you can easily troubleshoot file by file?)
Dependency problems aren't something only inherent to Windows.
 

Wikinerd

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2008
389
0
Dependency problems aren't something only inherent to Windows.

I think this would be a more thorough explanation. Regardless my experience was that going into /Library and ~/Library or going into the Applications make troubleshooting easier than DLL's...
 

JBLinkinsop

macrumors newbie
May 20, 2008
14
0
Murrieta, CA
Please....

But like I said why would she want to install a third party one when Macs are all about "it just works". Also you do realise it's not only the OS that needs RAM. OMG Mac hardware is the best. Apple is NOT overpriced, but just in case buy the base setup and go to the third party for HD and RAM because they're cheaper. Funny. :D What happened to superior and non-overpriced hardware? If she asked Apple to upgrade her RAM, the machine would definitely be out of her budget.

Apple RAM though not the cheapest ever, is not that expensive. You can upgrade the RAM at time of purchase and Apple will buy back the RAM in the machine.
 

FX120

macrumors 65816
May 18, 2007
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Really? Last time I had to reinstall it was because of hal.dll corruption... hmph...

File corruption =/= DLLhell.

DLLhell refers to cross-application depedency on shared resource files and libraries, that one application might modify, update, or move, breaking compatability with other applications.

You want to talk about DLL issues today, which are an uncommon problem now, think back to the days of 16-bit Windows, when DLL hell was really relavent because every lazy dev in the universe was cranking out apps that grossly missued the tool. Stacking DLL on top of DLL on top of DLL on top of someone elses DLL.

It hasn't been a significant problem since Windows 2000, when Microsoft made several core changes that went a long way to prevent dependency mismatch. Believe me, the issues described in this thread do not even begin to compare to the *****torm that was a daily occurance with Windows 3.
 

Chwisch87

macrumors 6502
Sep 30, 2008
274
0
I also agree. It is just stupid when Sheila says the MBP doesn't have as much RAM as the other computers. What many people do not know about Macs that have not used them much is that they don't need nearly as much RAM compared to Vista. A Mac running Leopard should be able to run better than Vista with only 1/4 of the memory. And if Sheila really needs more memory, its called order 4GB from OWC for only $50.

Apple needs to fight back with a commercial that lets new computer buyers know this.

HA ... you think apple wants to do that ... this is a company that up until recently was notorious for overcharging for ram by several hundred dollars. Even today its over priced. Apple wants to sell they expensive ram to people who have lots of money but don't know any better.

These ads are not targeted towards computer people. Look anyone who knows anything about computers has picked a side in the mac PC world and are 90% likely to stick to it ... its not worthing trying to convince them to change. The rest of the world who are pretty much computer idiots (wouldn't know what to do when an error message hits them in the face) are the ones that both apple and microsoft target all their ads to.
 

Chwisch87

macrumors 6502
Sep 30, 2008
274
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Gaming is a huge business, Apple would love to have a share of it, I guess.

And what about 3D modeling?
I would love to have 3ds Max and SolidWorks for OSX,...

Gaming as officially surpassed music and movie sales this year ... the fact that apple is more opening trying to court game devs is really a stupid decision as all of their machines now have proper GPU's in some form or another.

Unless apple embraces customizable user built computers (which it won't) like you can do in windows, its very very unlikely gaming will ever truly come to mac outside of Blizzard. Computer gaming is quite frankly built around users upgrading all the time to be able to run the most graphically intensive games. There will be a new Crysis here soon of some sort that will push the current hardware to the limit. The only recent uptick in gaming on mac has come from advances in emulation software as we all know which requires more power from a mac than comparable PC to run the system.
 

Chwisch87

macrumors 6502
Sep 30, 2008
274
0
DLL "hell" is officially off the table. It hasn't been a problem for a VERY long time now. I challenge anyone to go find a DLL problem post in a windows forum around the nets ... if you find more than one i will be surprised lol.

If you want to talk about windows problems. It's mostly caused by BSOD stop errors caused by typically either bad hardware or bad third party drivers.
 

cycomiko

macrumors 6502a
Oct 14, 2008
560
524
This is true about the ram. I'm running 4GB in my MBP and I've never had less than .99GB in free ram for a while I actually thought somethings was wrong. I'll run stuff like iMovie, Safari, iTunes, and a few other things and always about a gig of nothing happening.

My works ASUS notebook has 2gigs running vista. It sits at jsut over 1gig of useage at startup.

I run multiple firefox, thunderbird, itunes, torrent application, digsby, flashget, skype, ie7 (gotta :( ), word etc... and it stays at a gig of useage.

My iMac sits at less useage on startup, but gets to about the gig mark with the apps going...

they seem pretty even to me
 

hazza.jockel

macrumors 6502
Aug 2, 2008
436
1
in a swag
OK so i just skim read through this thread so forgive me if this has already been pointed.

I think these MS ads are quite good in getting a point across. Basically not everyone has a lot of money to spend on getting a computer especially with the financial problems the world is having so when they do go and buy one they want to get the most out of their money. The average person might not know what RAM does but they might know/think that more is better. The average person won't know the proclaimed benefits of Mac OSX. The average person goes "oh a Video editor uses that laptop I bet it would be good for me." So what everyone hear needs to remember is that these ads aren't directed at tech savvy people who know about these things but they are directed at people who are short of cash, want the best "specs" with out knowing what is actually better and who don't know much about computers.

So before going "oh why did she buy the HP with 4gigs of ram compared to the Macbook with 2gig when vista drains ram?" or " why did she pick the Hp that cant run final cut" just remember who the ads are aimed at.
 
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