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IzzyJG99

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Oct 26, 2007
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This commercial really just I think embarrassed Microsoft. "I'm a filmmaker." Really? I know a lot of filmmakers and they all use Macs. Then the "2GB of RAM?" For Godsakes 2GB is quite a freakin' lot of RAM.

These commercials scream "Our clientele is easily swayed by salesmen and free money."

I wonder just how many of these commercials never make it to air where the person says "I'll take your money and buy the Mac."
 

Treq

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Apr 23, 2009
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Considering the hours lost to downtime due to frequent restarts, system reinstalls, IT management, DLL Hell, driver problems, and continuous scans, the amount of lost income is daunting. Until we moved the majority of our systems to OSX, we accepted these annoyances as 'the norm' and have missed several deadlines as a result. Productivity took a 180º turn once we switched over to OS X - The stability of UNIX is unmatched, and we'll soon be 98% MAC by the end of the summer.

See, Mac's are less expensive...:rolleyes:
 

DMann

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God damn, why do people keep bringing this up? It hasn't been an issue for almost 10 years now.

If only it were true:

"c:\gdalwin32-1.6\bin\GEOS_C.DLL" contains errors. The application has
failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is incorrect.
Please see the application event log for more detail (14001)."
 

bruinsrme

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Oct 26, 2008
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Some of them are the same (the first 4), just to show that they're not "fanboy reporting", that a multitude of people indicates that it's suggested—if you were to exhibit any triple-digit-intelligence you should actually cite more than once source from keeping the other side from denouncing that source unless it's established. (take Mosx, for example.)
And some of the steps are the same with macs, such as the router one.

There are some points that are valid that you have missed that proves my point:
  • making a starter CD ROM (because of the frequent reinstalls that you may need) nearly ALL PC come with a restore disk so this is unnecessry
  • removing bloatware my xps had two things on it that i had to un-install
  • Install antivirus software not necessary
  • Install printers and other peripherals only for networking or a newer printer. then again tell me why you wouldn't want the latest drivers
  • Turn off unnecessary Windows services what services should i be turning off
  • Establish a system restore point optional


Next time, stop trolling for a moment and try reading all of them. It might keep you from writing that pile of bollocks that you did.



Way to insult someone while spreading nonsense yourself. I am still waiting for any sort of proof from you. (No, Mosx's doesn't count.)

some pcs have more bloatware (as you call it) but 10 minutes customizing a pc goes a long way. Apple users don't customize their computers?
 

neiltc13

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
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If only it were true:

"c:\gdalwin32-1.6\bin\GEOS_C.DLL" contains errors. The application has
failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is incorrect.
Please see the application event log for more detail (14001)."

The difference is that it is so much more helpful than OS X, which would simply close the program or make you stare at a beach ball.

Anyway, I'm liking these ads even more with each one - they're so effective - not only do they get the point across incredibly smoothly, they also get people talking online and questioning why they are spending so much more on a Mac.

The simple fact from this ad is that this girl got the same kind of performance as she'd get from a MacBook Pro for significantly less cash. The fact that the screen is *slightly* lower resolution and it's not made of metal is insignificant when you look at how much the machines cost.
 

DMann

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Jan 13, 2002
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This commercial really just I think embarrassed Microsoft. "I'm a filmmaker." Really? I know a lot of filmmakers and they all use Macs. Then the "2GB of RAM?" For Godsakes 2GB is quite a freakin' lot of RAM.

These commercials scream "Our clientele is easily swayed by salesmen and free money."

I wonder just how many of these commercials never make it to air where the person says "I'll take your money and buy the Mac."

The mere fact that MS finds it necessary to bribe consumers to purchase a PC sums it all too well.
 

jettredmont

macrumors 68030
Jul 25, 2002
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Bloatware? My HP shipped with a Norton trial and MS Office trial. My first two MacBooks had iWork and MS Office trials. Norton and Office take seconds to remove. What about iLife? iWeb, Garageband, iMovie, and iDVD. iLife is the ultimate in bloatware.

Wow, you must know how to pick HP laptops! My sister in law bought a Toshiba which came, from the factory, with 13 separate items in the "system notifications" area and over 20 unecessary applications running in the background after startup.

That's bloatware. Crap on the disk that's not running is a secondary concern. What I care about is that the PC I get isn't spending half its CPU cycles figuring out how to most annoyingly throw the next piece of advertising in my face.

At least Microsoft offers security. Gotta love how FileVault stores the password for the encrypted volume in an unecrypted manner. I also like how Windows has a built-in 2 way firewall. Something you can only get with paid software on a Mac.

Source?

I'm no FileVault expert, but I do know that the Fortune 500 company I work for trusts FileVault on its laptops and requires a $300-per-seat encryption equivalent on its Windows laptops.

No different than a Mac. Last OS X reinstall I did required about 4 runnings of software update and 4 restarts before it was finished.

Really? Last time I installed Tiger (10.4) there were two SU runs and a single restart to get it all the way from 10.4.0 to 10.4.11 (I think that is the latest in 10.4). Reinstalling Leopard required a single SU run and a single restart.

You, sir, are full of ****.

False. Printers, digital cameras, scanners, even TV tuners, don't require additional drivers with Vista and none of them require reinstalls. With my two printers in Leopard, I need 1GB worth of drivers installed. And the all-in-one still won't be fully functional. In Vista I just plug them in and its ready to go. No additional software needed. With my TV tuner I plugged it in, Windows installed the drivers and it was ready to go.

All this depends on the specific mix of hardware. I have to say this used to be a big deal (a lot of peripherals were simple plug-and-play on OS X while the Windows drivers needed updating before plugging the device in and if you plugged in before the driver was installed you had to Regedit dive, etc). Haven't had any Windows driver issues that I can recall in the past year.

Can I uninstall iLife fully without having to reinstall or search down all of the hundreds of plist and other files left behind? Whats that? No? Thats what I thought.

"hundreds" of plist files? Prefs files are a few bytes, and there are a hand full of them in iLife. The hard disk clogging bits are easily removed by deleting the iLife apps from your Applications folder. Unlike Windows apps, iLife doesn't install DLLs in shared folders throughout the OS, so you don't have the "tendrils" of those applications buried throughout.

Only Apple's Windows software requires Windows restarts.

Apple can't make fun of Windows when its Apple's own shortcomings and poor programming skills that make it happen

WHAT??? Windows restarts by itself at least three times a week, and just about every piece of Windows software I've installed in the past year has required a restart (because it puts things into the DLL shared space and needs to make sure no one else is using the libs it is blowing away ...)

Less likely than having to repair disk permissions in OS X.

Repairing disk permissions in OS X is almost never actually necessary. It's a placebo handed out at the start of most fix-it instructions. Fortunately even if you do it every time it's recommended it takes about 5 seconds from start to finish, unlike the similar Windows placebo (reboot the computer).

Somehow Mac OS is immune to HDD failures? Let's not forget that OS X's file system is famous for needing "disk permissions" repaired as well.

See above. The file system is not famous for "needing" any such things. It's actually famous for being remarkably self-correcting.

Edit: I really do think its hilarious how Apple pokes fun of Windows need for drivers. Driver updates bring new features, enhance performance, and take care of any issues. With OS X, you're stuck with what Apple provides. You're entirely dependent on what they want you to have or not have. And we all know how Apple is about bringing new features to the table for free. I had a TV tuner for my desktop PCs. Thanks to driver updates, they added in MPEG-2 encoding and even progressive scan encoding. All for free. Driver updates in Windows have also dramatically increased performance on my GPUs throughout the years, and added features to the soundcards I have owned.

You are missing the point. The point is that, at least 2 years ago, you needed to update your drivers for almost every piece of Windows hardware prior to running the device. There were often "gotchas" with device driver installation which could cost you a lot of time if you went in without reading the instructions carefully.

Driver updates? I have updated drivers on hardware on my Mac several times, when a new feature comes available in the "driver" (really, almost always in the surrounding software, not the driver itself). While these drivers have often been more often updated on Windows, that's improving as Mac home marketshare has been improving.

It's also incredibly funny how Apple uses it as a downside, because of the fact that I can go buy a $400 desktop PC and throw any third party hardware I want in it and have it work. When was the last time I could buy an Apple desktop under $2,000 that had that sort of expandability? The current Mac Pro doesn't even offer that sort of expandability, seeing as how its limited to a very small number of PCIe slots, when most hardware is still PCI. And look at the notebooks! A limited number of ports, as well as only including a half-width ExpressCard slot and no docking station connector.

Only Apple would use their systems lack of features and expandability as a selling point.

To each his own. I personally don't miss the PS/2 and VGA and Parallel and Serial port connectors sticking out the back of my laptop (yes, even that Toshiba my sister in law bought less than six months ago sports those ports that were all the rage in 1991!)

Expandability? What kind of hardware are you seeing which is only available in PCI and not PCIe-compatible? I don't have a latest-model tower (my tower is a G5), but even then I had no trouble finding decent RAID and eSATA card for the specs.
 

Treq

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Apr 23, 2009
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The difference is that it is so much more helpful than OS X, which would simply close the program or make you stare at a beach ball.

Anyway, I'm liking these ads even more with each one - they're so effective - not only do they get the point across incredibly smoothly, they also get people talking online and questioning why they are spending so much more on a Mac.

The simple fact from this ad is that this girl got the same kind of performance as she'd get from a MacBook Pro for significantly less cash. The fact that the screen is *slightly* lower resolution and it's not made of metal is insignificant when you look at how much the machines cost.

Scroll up a couple of posts...:cool:
 

pika2000

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Jun 22, 2007
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* nearly ALL PC come with a restore disk so this is unnecessry
* my xps had two things on it that i had to un-install
* antivirus software not necessary
* Install printers and other peripherals only for networking or a newer printer. then again tell me why you wouldn't want the latest drivers
* Windows services what services should i be turning off
* Establish a system restore point optional

some pcs have more bloatware (as you call it) but 10 minutes customizing a pc goes a long way. Apple users don't customize their computers?
-3 out of 4 people on the ads picked HP. I've purchased plenty of HP PCs, and none of them come with a "restore disk." They only come with a restore partition where you have to make your own restore DVD. It's even worse if you want to do a clean install since you don't get an actual Windows install CD/DVD.
-Again, 3 out of 4 people on the ads picked HP. A standard HP PC comes pre-installed with a bunch of games/trial anti-virus/trial multimedia software and a ton of HP's own software/drivers. I've quite the "pleasure" of restoring HP PCs a bunch of times, and the time I spent uninstalling all those stuff are way longer than 10 minutes. Add on top of that the time spent figuring out which one to remove if you're a lay user. Startup a fresh HP PC out of the box, and count how many icons on the system tray.
-Just because you don't need anti-virus/use system restore, doesn't mean a regular PC users don't need them. Most users are not security experts. A person that only wants to "cut" video is probably not too savvy on PC security, so having an anti-virus is probably a good idea.
-More and more PC manufactures, including HP (which is picked 3 out of 4 on the ads) and Dell, install their 'bloatware' programs as services. They're not listed as regular startup programs. Tweaking services are also recommended for certain configurations, such as having an SSD drive.
 

bruinsrme

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Oct 26, 2008
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Wow, you must know how to pick HP laptops! My sister in law bought a Toshiba which came, from the factory, with 13 separate items in the "system notifications" area and over 20 unecessary applications running in the background after startup.

That's bloatware. Crap on the disk that's not running is a secondary concern. What I care about is that the PC I get isn't spending half its CPU cycles figuring out how to most annoyingly throw the next piece of advertising in my face.



Source?

I'm no FileVault expert, but I do know that the Fortune 500 company I work for trusts FileVault on its laptops and requires a $300-per-seat encryption equivalent on its Windows laptops.



Really? Last time I installed Tiger (10.4) there were two SU runs and a single restart to get it all the way from 10.4.0 to 10.4.11 (I think that is the latest in 10.4). Reinstalling Leopard required a single SU run and a single restart.

You, sir, are full of ****.



All this depends on the specific mix of hardware. I have to say this used to be a big deal (a lot of peripherals were simple plug-and-play on OS X while the Windows drivers needed updating before plugging the device in and if you plugged in before the driver was installed you had to Regedit dive, etc). Haven't had any Windows driver issues that I can recall in the past year.



"hundreds" of plist files? Prefs files are a few bytes, and there are a hand full of them in iLife. The hard disk clogging bits are easily removed by deleting the iLife apps from your Applications folder. Unlike Windows apps, iLife doesn't install DLLs in shared folders throughout the OS, so you don't have the "tendrils" of those applications buried throughout.



WHAT??? Windows restarts by itself at least three times a week, and just about every piece of Windows software I've installed in the past year has required a restart (because it puts things into the DLL shared space and needs to make sure no one else is using the libs it is blowing away ...)



Repairing disk permissions in OS X is almost never actually necessary. It's a placebo handed out at the start of most fix-it instructions. Fortunately even if you do it every time it's recommended it takes about 5 seconds from start to finish, unlike the similar Windows placebo (reboot the computer).



See above. The file system is not famous for "needing" any such things. It's actually famous for being remarkably self-correcting.



You are missing the point. The point is that, at least 2 years ago, you needed to update your drivers for almost every piece of Windows hardware prior to running the device. There were often "gotchas" with device driver installation which could cost you a lot of time if you went in without reading the instructions carefully.

Driver updates? I have updated drivers on hardware on my Mac several times, when a new feature comes available in the "driver" (really, almost always in the surrounding software, not the driver itself). While these drivers have often been more often updated on Windows, that's improving as Mac home marketshare has been improving.



To each his own. I personally don't miss the PS/2 and VGA and Parallel and Serial port connectors sticking out the back of my laptop (yes, even that Toshiba my sister in law bought less than six months ago sports those ports that were all the rage in 1991!)

Expandability? What kind of hardware are you seeing which is only available in PCI and not PCIe-compatible? I don't have a latest-model tower (my tower is a G5), but even then I had no trouble finding decent RAID and eSATA card for the specs.

Lots of fud there.
I especially like windows restarts itself 3 tiimes a week. Funny my desktops do the same exact thing but only after it downloads and installs updates.
Arguing about drivers is ridiculous. i never understood why anyone would want to use an OLd driver when a new driver can be download in a couple of minutes.
windows bad; mac good
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
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Indianapolis
Sorry. I forgot to finish that sentence. My original thought was that is there an app like AppZapper, AppDelete or such in Windows? (No, add/remove programs usually screws it up even more)

PS. even though Mac OS X's paradigm is a lot easier and faster...
I haven't had any problems with Add/Remove Programs. CCleaner would be a similar utility when it comes to cleaning up your Windows machine. I enjoy the secure erasure packaging as well. That is something that Windows does lack for application data and user files.

I'm all for programs without installers at all. In fact many of my favorite Windows ones don't have installers. Sadly dealing with package installers with a bit of magic is something that happens regardless of the operating system.

I get talked down by the Linux crowd for the lack of a package manager in OS X. I'm not talking about fink or MacPorts either.
 

atticus18244fsa

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Jul 11, 2008
279
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Waterloo, ON
The other ones had at least some truth. This one is garbage. Right now I'm a PC and I cringe when they start saying that that computer is going to be good for video editing.
 

atticus18244fsa

macrumors 6502
Jul 11, 2008
279
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Waterloo, ON
My budget is very good, I make money online with all my blogs and porn site that I create. I make $2 an hour non-stop thanks to advertising.

$2 an hour non-stop.

$2x24=$48 a day
$48x7=$336 a week
$336x4=$1344 a month
$1344x12=$16128 a year?

Is that your sole income stream because if so I'm pretty sure you're below the poverty line.
 

DMann

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The difference is that it is so much more helpful than OS X, which would simply close the program or make you stare at a beach ball.

Anyway, I'm liking these ads even more with each one - they're so effective - not only do they get the point across incredibly smoothly, they also get people talking online and questioning why they are spending so much more on a Mac.

The simple fact from this ad is that this girl got the same kind of performance as she'd get from a MacBook Pro for significantly less cash. The fact that the screen is *slightly* lower resolution and it's not made of metal is insignificant when you look at how much the machines cost.
Actually, the Conslole is extremely helpful in troubleshooting a problem, DLL Hell not being one of them. Unlike Windows apps, OS X apps do not install DLLs in shared folders scattered randomly throughout the OS, so that you don't have application bits and fragments disseminated all over, making updates more vulnerable to complications.

The ads do indirectly illuminate Apple's presence as a competitor - which only helps Apple, in that consumers who had previously wandered by their stores, will now more likely be enticed to wander in to have a look for themselves. With over 51% of purchases made by previous Windows users, anything which channels attention toward this strategy is certainly welcome.
 

Pika

macrumors 68000
Oct 5, 2008
1,759
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Japan
$2 an hour non-stop.

$2x24=$48 a day
$48x7=$336 a week
$336x4=$1344 a month
$1344x12=$16128 a year?

Is that your sole income stream because if so I'm pretty sure you're below the poverty line.
I gain 15k a year online alone + 50k a year as animator.

My job money goes to my survival and the online money goes to my luxury such as buying a new Apple toys every year.
 

pellets007

macrumors 6502a
Jan 28, 2009
788
11
New York
If upgrading RAM is cheap for the consumer, isn't it so for the manufacturer as well? I definitely would have bought a MBP if it had 4GB of RAM. I don't care how easy it is, for a 2K laptop I should be getting 4GB.
 

Treq

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Apr 23, 2009
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If upgrading RAM is cheap for the consumer, isn't it so for the manufacturer as well? I definitely would have bought a MBP if it had 4GB of RAM. I don't care how easy it is, for a 2K laptop I should be getting 4GB.

Considering the hours lost to downtime due to frequent restarts, system reinstalls, IT management, DLL Hell, driver problems, and continuous scans, the amount of lost income is daunting. Until we moved the majority of our systems to OSX, we accepted these annoyances as 'the norm' and have missed several deadlines as a result. Productivity took a 180º turn once we switched over to OS X - The stability of UNIX is unmatched, and we'll soon be 98% MAC by the end of the summer.

See, Mac's are less expensive...:rolleyes:

2k buys a lot...:D
 

Melrose

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Dec 12, 2007
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...and questioning why they are spending so much more on a Mac.

Pointing out the flaws of an ad isn't exactly the same as questioning my decisions. I hardly call pointing out the shortcomings of the HP subjects of these ads as compared to MacBooks and the pathetic comparisons being by Microsoft is 'questioning why we spend so much more for a Mac.'

When it's said, as in this context or example, that you cannot install Final Cut Pro on a Windows HP despite making the erroneous statement you're a video editor, it's not questioning why we bought a Mac - it's making the statement that an industry standard for completing the work you purport to do is not available if you buy a Windows HP.

</rant>

If upgrading RAM is cheap for the consumer, isn't it so for the manufacturer as well? I definitely would have bought a MBP if it had 4GB of RAM. I don't care how easy it is, for a 2K laptop I should be getting 4GB.
Even in this day and age, though, 4GB is overkill for most. I use Photoshop and Illustrator all the time, and have used 3D modeling apps in the past and 2GB has been very ample. My dad maxed out the RAM on his new iMac and for what he does it didn't make much of a difference at all. And $2,000 isn't bad for a high-end laptop, even with 2 gigs - especially when laptops aren't intended, necessarily, as day-to-day workhorses for the things that 4 gigs would make a difference in.
 

DELLsFan

macrumors 6502a
Jan 6, 2009
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Not the best commercial of the 4, to be sure. I'm starting to get annoyed with them.

The funny part here is, aren't all of these schmagoolies actors? Microsoft didn't pay for anyone's laptop. Isn't that a bit misleading?

:eek:
 

Photek

macrumors newbie
Jul 24, 2006
13
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Warwick, UK
it smacks of desperation to me...

seriously... as a Mac user... we are using a premium product that it NOT intended for everyone.. I don't understand why people struggle with this concept...

its like Toyota running commercial's where their target market complains that a Bentley is too expensive... all about aesthetics... or only comes with 2 seats...

If they produced a REAL commercial they would find that 85% of the world bought Windows... but 80% of them wanted to roll back Vista to XP, 20% wanted a Mac but 10% of them were turned off that idea as the computer staff don't get commission for selling Apple products and force fed them Windows boxes... then the remaining 5% want Linux.
 

Treq

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Apr 23, 2009
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it smacks of desperation to me...

seriously... as a Mac user... we are using a premium product that it NOT intended for everyone.. I don't understand why people struggle with this concept...

its like Toyota running commercial's where their target market complains that a Bentley is too expensive... all about aesthetics... or only comes with 2 seats...

If they produced a REAL commercial they would find that 85% of the world bought Windows... but 80% of them wanted to roll back Vista to XP, 20% wanted a Mac but 10% of them were turned off that idea as the computer staff don't get commission for selling Apple products and force fed them Windows boxes... then the remaining 5% want Linux.

Mac=Win!
Win=Fail!
Linux=Geek!
:D

But seriously, I'm a film-maker, and we mostly use Mac's and those who don't, wish they did...
 

designgeek

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Jan 30, 2009
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I also agree. It is just stupid when Sheila says the MBP doesn't have as much RAM as the other computers. What many people do not know about Macs that have not used them much is that they don't need nearly as much RAM compared to Vista. A Mac running Leopard should be able to run better than Vista with only 1/4 of the memory. And if Sheila really needs more memory, its called order 4GB from OWC for only $50.

Apple needs to fight back with a commercial that lets new computer buyers know this.

This is true about the ram. I'm running 4GB in my MBP and I've never had less than .99GB in free ram for a while I actually thought somethings was wrong. I'll run stuff like iMovie, Safari, iTunes, and a few other things and always about a gig of nothing happening.
 

22Hertz

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Oct 20, 2007
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Apple should air this same add and in big letters at the bottom of the screen put
"This Advertisement Made on a Mac"
:D
 
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