New MS Laptop Hunter Ad

[Wikinerd]

The first ad works because it simply gets to the point, price.
The second ad failed, since the guy is hardly a "power user," and contradicted himself about the specs that he wanted and what he bought (he wanted a laptop with good battery life, but guess what he bought).
The 3rd ad works, pointing 2 excellent points, blu-ray and games.
This latest ad failed. Simply because the girl wants to "cut" video. "Cut" video? WTF does that mean? Don't they mean edit? Oh, wait a second, Movie Maker vs iMovie 09. Hmmm, let's have her say "cut" instead.

And he wanted a large monitor—with crappy res..

more in this article:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...d_attacks_mac_aesthetics_computing_power.html

LOL@ "cut" video.... Let's just cmd-x the whole segment.


@chrono
Take a look at my links... what you think it uninstalled may not be the case... With synmantec, it never does what you expect it to do—especially with uninstalling software.

 

[Eidorian]

And why exactly would the average user need that? Is HFS+ that volatile? (in comparison to MS-DOS and HTFS?)

It's a common blanket panacea.

I recall there were quite a few solutions out there, one of them being "default apps" prefpane

Why do I need a third party solution for this?

Yes it is. Just that I've had to do a lot less on Mac OS X than on Windows. XP or Vista.

Please tell me why it is mandatory in Windows then.

Nope. Why should I? I've never seen an OS X update screw up permissions, rather unlike Windows XP's service packs,... (which corrupted hal.dll—SP3 update)

I've had to deal with operating system breaking updates for OS X.

Excuse me, but if you're saying iLife is bloatware, those windows + *** programs are bloatware also. They are installed from the OS disc, but are not needed.

As for the hardware deciding what to ship it with, I'd say, it's "apples and oranges"... It's part of the OS X install image, integrated into the system. They don't get paid for installing more iLife stuff... Nor can they uninstall them on the spot for you for a certain price—it's because they can't. It's part of the system. As much as WMP, Windows Live ___, etc.

I only said that iLife isn't part of OS X just like value added software that doesn't ship with the operating system isn't part of Windows.

PS. Besides, these programs are theoretically not bloatware because they do not take up that much space if you delete the main components and do not run background processes.

Please elaborate.

 

[Wikinerd]

It's a common blanket panacea.

Why do I need a third party solution for this?

Please tell me why it is mandatory in Windows then.

I've had to deal with operating system breaking updates for OS X.

I only said that iLife isn't part of OS X just like value added software that doesn't ship with the operating system isn't part of Windows.

Please elaborate.

1. HFS+ does a lot of things that NTFS and FAT doesn't do (defragging, basic maintenance, etc). When Apple moves onto ZFS it will even better. Generally HFS+ requires less maintenance than FAT; and whether HFS+ is better than NTFS is arguable...

2. Well I've never had a problem with that.. since I do not have the need to simultaneously open files with several different programs.. (as per your "open with" clutter, which also happens frequently in Windows.)

3. You mean updates breaking operating systems? Well they do happen. But they never happened to me. And I don't fix something that's not broken.

4. How is iLife not shipped with OS X? If I recall correctly, all OS X distros ships with at least one version of iLife, albeit old. (Just as you wouldn't expect IE8 on Windows XP SP2 distros.)

5. This explanation should be sufficient. They are not demos, nor trialware. Nor do they run background processes.

(iLife takes around 4GB, yes, but you can easily delete the bulk of it by simply dragging the Apps to Trash and emptying it. All that's left are the .plist files which shouldn't take more than 5MB combined... )

 

[Eidorian]

1. HFS+ does a lot of things that NTFS and FAT doesn't do (defragging, basic maintenance, etc).

I'm not talking about HFS+. I'm talking about unnecessary panacea maintenance.

2. Well I've never had a problem with that.. since I do not have the need to simultaneously open files with several different programs.. (as per your "open with" clutter, which also happens frequently in Windows.)

It seems to happen more in Leopard then it did in Tiger. It's annoying having multiple copies of the same program listed in Open With even if you only have one version installed.

4. How is iLife not shipped with OS X? If I recall correctly, all OS X distros ships with at least one version of iLife, albeit old. (Just as you wouldn't expect IE8 on Windows XP SP2 distros.)

I've already explained OEM value added software several times.

5. This explanation should be sufficient. They are not demos, nor trialware. Nor do they run background processes.

Thank you.

All that's left are the .plist files which shouldn't take more than 5MB combined...)

You forgot /Library.

 

[Wikinerd]

I'm not talking about HFS+. I'm talking about unnecessary panacea maintenance.

But sometimes you have to—esp when torrenting in Windows... if you don't defrag regularly you will have a HDD failure in your hands in no time. HFS+ does quite a lot of it for you.

It seems to happen more in Leopard then it did in Tiger. It's annoying having multiple copies of the same program listed in Open With even if you only have one version installed.

I've never seen that happen... The only time more than one copy of an app appeared is because I have 2 copies installed...

I've already explained OEM value added software several times.

Sorry. I'm not sure what OEM value added software is, as per your explanation...

If you're saying that the term means that OEMs are getting more money by adding more software to the distro, then I'd say that Apple doesn't get more money by adding more software to the distro.

If I'm wrong please explain again. I'm a slow learner.

You forgot /Library.

I wouldn't suggest that. /Library contains files that may be used by the system itself. /Library/Preferences, though is the one you should be looking for. Most of the main preference plist's are there or in Application Support. (Well, yeah. The Garageband Lessons take up more than 5mb. I forgot.)

 

[OllyW]

4. How is iLife not shipped with OS X? If I recall correctly, all OS X distros ships with at least one version of iLife, albeit old. (Just as you wouldn't expect IE8 on Windows XP SP2 distros.)

iLife is not part of OS X.

Yes, it is installed on every new Mac but it is not part of the operating system.

When you re-install OS X using the system discs supplied with a new Mac, iLife is an optional extra if you chose to customise the installation.

 

[Wikinerd]

iLife is not part of OS X.

Yes, it is installed on every new Mac but it is not part of the operating system.

When you re-install OS X using the system discs supplied with a new Mac, iLife is an optional extra if you chose to customise the installation.

I stand corrected. But they are still a part of the integrated system that is OS X. "For the best experience", as Microsoft argued when they were litigated upon inclusion of IE in Windows even though proven that Windows can make do without...


PS. But it is shipped with OS X, is it not?

 

[Eidorian]

But sometimes you have to—esp when torrenting in Windows... if you don't defrag regularly you will have a HDD failure in your hands in no time. HFS+ does quite a lot of it for you.

The running nightly scripts have been used as a baseless panacea much like Repairing Disk Permissions and running Onyx/Cocktail.

And why exactly would the average user need that? Is HFS+ that volatile? (in comparison to MS-DOS and HTFS?)

Like I said before. I wasn't talking about HFS+.

Sorry. I'm not sure what OEM value added software is, as per your explanation...

If you're saying that the term means that OEMs are getting more money by adding more software to the distro, then I'd say that Apple doesn't get more money by adding more software to the distro.

If I'm wrong please explain again. I'm a slow learner.

OllyW explained it for the most part.

I wouldn't suggest that. /Library contains files that may be used by the system itself. /Library/Preferences, though is the one you should be looking for. Most of the main preference plist's are there or in Application Support. (Well, yeah. The Garageband Lessons take up more than 5mb. I forgot.)

You make it sound like you need to use AppZapper for everything.

PS. But it is shipped with OS X, is it not?

Yes iLife is as OEM software that adds value.

 

[Wikinerd]

Like I said before. I wasn't talking about HFS+.

And I'm saying the maintenance is somewhat necessary when dealing with Windows' file systems.

OllyW explained it for the most part.

You make it sound like you need AppZapper for everything.

Yes iLife is as OEM software that adds value.

But in my eyes, there is still a difference between iLife and normal bloatware. Apple includes the software not because they're paid to do so, but by default configuration because they add functionality that's included in Microsoft's Operating System by default. AND just because they're also an OEM doesn't mean that any software they bundle with it is counted as "OEM value added software'... Comes from comparing two different paradigms.

(BTW I think a more appropriate example of OS X OEM-value-added software would be Stuffit Expander)

(Oh, and there *was* a Media Player-free version of Windows... meaning that theoretically Windows can be run without them. But instead of OEM-value-added-software, I'd say that would be Software-company-value added software... rather like iLife... )

PS. Is there a way to remove software

PPS. Sorry about the incoherence of this post, but I have trouble comparing the two when they use completely different models. By your argument we can say that OS X is also OEM-value-added-software... And so is Windows to HP and Dell and Acer and Lenovo and whatnot.

 

[McDughf]

She is a filmmaker, well that sucks for her because I am a filmmaker and in the industry 90 percent of the software we use is Final cut pro.

Where Are You Getting This Figure ?
I Am A Religious Mac Fan, But I'd Say About 25% Of "Our" Industry Use Final Cut, About 23% Use Adobe Premier But the Overwhelming Majority Use Avid Systems

 

[OllyW]

PS. But it is shipped with OS X, is it not?

No, it is not shipped with retail versions of OS X unless you chose the Mac Box Set.

 

[Eidorian]

And I'm saying the maintenance is somewhat necessary when dealing with Windows' file systems.

No argument here. My point was that there are maintenance utilities for OS X and some users swear by them. I think it's a bit much though.

But in my eyes, there is still a difference between iLife and normal bloatware. Apple includes the software not because they're paid to do so, but by default configuration because they add functionality that's included in Microsoft's Operating System by default. AND just because they're also an OEM doesn't mean that any software they bundle with it is counted as "OEM value added software'... Comes from comparing two different paradigms.

(BTW I think a more appropriate example of OS X OEM-value-added software would be Stuffit Expander)

I agree. iLife does ship with a new Mac but it doesn't ship on an OS X retail DVD. It's a separate software package.

PS. Is there a way to remove software

It's pretty much drag and drop or package installer in OS X. Only a few programs that go into /System come with uninstallers and they are usually just scripts.

I'm a little wary of digging in /Library to recover every last byte. I don't care about preference files. Cache does add up though in ~/Library.

PPS. Sorry about the incoherence of this post, but I have trouble comparing the two when they use completely different models. By your argument we can say that OS X is also OEM-value-added-software... And so is Windows to HP and Dell and Acer and Lenovo and whatnot.

Which is part of the mess I didn't want to get into. I build my own machines so it doesn't bother me. I have complete control.

 

[vvebsta]

thank goodness this is page 2 news... too bad she isn't going to get far in the entertainment industry. 90% of us are on Macs

 

[BMWFan]

That's really your argument? Think about what you're saying.

Google: convert ssa to srt mac
Second Result: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349909.html
First Reply: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Jubler

Don't ever believe there's anything a PC can do that a Mac can't (except when it comes to high-end gaming). Apple has a very significant user base and Macs are very popular among developers. On top of that, it's pretty easy to port things from Linux to OSX. Everything exists, so don't give me this semen load of "THEN WHY CAN'T MY MAC DO THIS?!"

Eh you do realise when you convert ssa to srt, you lose all benefits of ssa/ass subtitles. looks like you've never worked with them. with ssa you get custom fonts, border size, border color, primary color, animation, rotation, drop shadows and a lot more advanced functions.

So is there any way of burning ssa/ass subtitles onto a avi without converting them into srt? ssa/ass are used exclusively by the fansubbing community to release subtitled avi files. And guess what they use for this editing purpose. Certainely not OSX.

 

[Goona]

You know what blows my mind about all these ads, other than their inane stupidity?

The fact that they're Microsoft ads, where they're supposed to be advertising WINDOWS and the OS is never even a FACTOR in any of these ads. The entire reason of Apple's existence is because of their software. Hardware is a secondary thing. Yet these ads are solely about the cheapest possible hardware that fulfills random bullet points that are convenient. Guess what? Some PC will ALWAYS be able to beat out a mac with that ridiculous comparison.

These ads are so incredibly intellectually dishonest. Instead of arguing the merits of Windows over OSX, its down to advertising for HP, etc. Pretty damn pointless. At least mac ads attempt to point out differences between the 2 Operating systems (as well as not pretending to be candid 'home video' footage, which is extremely insulting to the intelligence)

You actually expect them to mention Vista?

 

[Lesser Evets]

The amount of included RAM is really a deciding factor for someone who is supposedly mildy tech savvy? Really?

She's a PoC and an ARTIST. A BS artist.

I want to see her 1 day later as she fiddles with the PC. Hair pulled out. Just about getting ready to edit video.

 

[pol0001]

PS. But it is shipped with OS X, is it not?

Not if you buy a OSX DVD. (E.g. in case you want to upgrade from 10.4 to 10.5) Then you will have to buy iLife'09 seperatly.

Edit: Sorry. Didn't read scroll down enough.

 

[3282868]

I started the previous laptop hunter ad thread. I don't think that you should judge someone by their join date.

That may be true for most, however as I've been reading these threads I know he joined and posted on the same day a comment under the Microsoft advertisements. His comments have been inflammatory, insulting and he seems to simply enjoy baiting Apple "fanbois" on an Apple "fanboi" web site. With links posted from web sites such as Engadget (and most on Macrumors know that Engadget subscribers loathe Apple), it isn't a big leap to conclude this individual joined with the sole purpose of baiting and inflaming individuals on Macrumors. I'm all for discussing topics intelligently, I take issue with someone who joins and begins acting like a three year old.

 

[simonhayre]

I also agree. It is just stupid when Sheila says the MBP doesn't have as much RAM as the other computers. What many people do not know about Macs that have not used them much is that they don't need nearly as much RAM compared to Vista. A Mac running Leopard should be able to run better than Vista with only 1/4 of the memory. And if Sheila really needs more memory, its called order 4GB from OWC for only $50.

Apple needs to fight back with a commercial that lets new computer buyers know this.

To be honest, let those silly PC users think that computers are all about the size of RAM. I'm happy that I have an advantage over my competitors. Your quite right though, I used to sell Apple computers 2 years ago, and customers would always question the amount of hardware compared to the PC's we sold. I always repeated "It just works!".

Just remember, you buy quality not quantity, and Microsoft have to advertise their operating system on such high specification machines.

If leopard runs so well on it's current spec, just think about how good Snow Leopard will be. I've got a feeling, apple are going to surprise us all in June with just how efficient it is.

 

[dornoforpyros]

My favorite part was:

“Is this graphics card going to be powerful?”
“Mmhm.”
“Wow.”

...

Haha that was my favourite part too. Like the guy wasn't even suppose to be in the computer section, so he just nods along for the cameras.

 

[phoenix78]

Well, i would suspect that when snowleopard comes out we will be seeing the benefits of OpenCL, and much better use of multi-core technology.

Im not sure what Windows7 will be like in this area but it will take them a little while to catch up to snowleopard? (from what i can tell from various articles)

I think this could possibly widen the gap between osx and windows and make ppl go to or stay with osx, especially pro users who work with graphics/video/sound.

The pro apps from apple are built by apple no? So, a company that designs OS around multicore cpus, and taking advantage of GPUs, who also builds these pro apps, the performance will be unmatched by others. At least for a few years i guess.

I know this isnt the 'here and now' but it will be soon.

But hey, if people can get their work done using cheaper machines and on windows then good for them. In the end the quality of a design comes down to the skill/artistry of a person and is not exclusively dependent on the tool. Software for windows isnt completely crap that people cant do anything on them.

 

[3282868]

Anybody else here getting the feeling that Microsoft's "ad campaign" has actually stretched beyond the TV? Think about it. Here we are on "MacRumors.com" and we're getting TONS of PC people on here defending their PC and how much better it is. They're so articulated and seem to know everything about all the PC world, but they're not the typical mac lovers. So what the heck are they doing on here?

This feels way way way too bizarre to me.

I call BS on all the PC posts in this forum. We should stop responding to them, they're all being paid as part of the campaign. Very smart! Well done M$!

Agree. A few commentators who are PC apologists claimed "tin foil hat" to those that pointed this out. However, viral marketing is a HUGE factor in todays advertising/marketing world. One of my friends back in NYC is paid part-time to virally market health products by posting comments as a member on health related community forums. He gets paid by word and sometimes the number of posts, and does it while he works. It's easy cash and very effective.

 

[bruinsrme]

I think the funniest thing about these commercials is the fanboys disecting them. From the 3 or 4 threads on the MS commercials on MR the effectiveness seems to be right on target.
Many here say macs are easier to use. Perhaps the Apple commercials show focus on that instead of issues from the initial release of Vista, especially since SP1 has been released over a year ago.

 

[larrymarshall2]

She is a filmmaker, well that sucks for her because I am a filmmaker and in the industry 90 percent of the software we use is Final cut pro.

If this ad was supposed to be geared toward filmmakers than in was a waste of money. Film editors and know about computers and they would never prefer pc over a mac

Only because I don't want people to get wrong information, 90% of the film industry uses AVID editing systems, at least, in Hollywood they do.

For B movies and micro budgets, FCP is what 90% of the films are edited on.

Just to clarify!

 

[nefster]

Video Editing?

Ugghh. I could see some rationale to the last set of commercials, but there is absolutely no way I would ever attempt video editing on a PC. The power and intuitiveness of Mac software/OS shines in this regard. Don't forget, when video editing you are usually using more than one application to complete your process and seamless operation between these is what makes a workflow happen.

Give me a an under-RAM's Mac and Final Cut any day over any PC with a faster processor and more RAM!