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Someone should tell "Sheila" that 2GB RAM on OS X feels like 8GB RAM on Windows Vista. I think she'll figure it out in 6 months when she feels like chucking her HP against the wall 
And video editing on a notebook? Really?? If you're going to do that, it should be a MBP.
And video editing on a notebook? Really?? If you're going to do that, it should be a MBP.
I'm tired of trying to defend macs. Everyone should use windows. PC hardware is cheap.
I did it with a copy of Battle Royale 2 yesterday. 1 AVI 1 SRT. Quicktime Pro with Perian compnents. Export to m4v for my apple tv or iphone.
I did it with a copy of Battle Royale 2 yesterday. 1 AVI 1 SRT. Quicktime Pro with Perian compnents. Export to m4v for my apple tv or iphone.
Except pro video editors are not pro photographers. The editors I support don't care about the glossy screen especially since they like to edit in the dark.
But like I said why would she want to install a third party one when Macs are all about "it just works". Also you do realise it's not only the OS that needs RAM. OMG Mac hardware is the best. Apple is NOT overpriced, but just in case buy the base setup and go to the third party for HD and RAM because they're cheaper. Funny.
So you buy an HP, Sony, Lenovo, Dell, etc... you don't go to the third parties to buy things cheaper? I know I do.
I love these ads. Microsoft needs to do more of them and directly attack Apple's (lack of) features and overall prices more directly.
I'm a MacBook owner. I have a UniBody MacBook. It was a replacement for two plastic MacBooks that failed due to Apple's poor build quality.
I also find the arguments put forth by the Apple apologists to be hilarious.
One of the arguments that fails but is used the most is "total cost of ownership". A Mac user trying to use this argument is just downright stupid.
With a Mac Pro or MacBook Pro, you're spending more than double what you would on an equal PC. With the Mac Pro, you can build something with several times more GPU processing power and about 95% of the CPU power for around $800. With a MacBook Pro you can get a PC with the same processor, bigger HDD, blu-ray, a GPU that is at least twice as fast, and standard features like HDMI and card readers for half the cost. When you compare the iMac to PC desktops, there is no comparison. You can buy a better screen plus use actual DESKTOP components and get much more power for several hundred dollars less. I mean, look at the iMac. It's a laptop on a stand. You have to spend $1799 to get dedicated graphics. A $900 PC tower can have a Core i7 and at least a GeForce 9800 GT. Look at the MacBook. That system I compared to the MacBook Pro a few lines up is priced at $1299, same as the UniBody MacBook. Why even buy a MacBook? If you want a 13.3" screen, Dell's Studio XPS 13 offers dual GPUs running in hybrid SLI, an LED screen, 4GB of RAM, and a 7200RPM 320GB HDD for about the same price as the entry UniBody MacBook. It also has a 2.4GHz processor. Look at the Mac mini. $600 gets me 1GB of RAM and a notebook Core 2 Duo at 2GHz with a GeForce 9400M? $600 in the PC world will get me quad core, 4GB at least, and a good GPU.
There are other aspects to the "total cost of ownership" argument Apple fans like to make. One being anti-virus software. First of all, good AV software is free. Secondly, you have to be pretty stupid to get infected these days. IE and Firefox both guard against malware actively, and will give you multiple warnings and try to stop you from downloading malware at every step. Then Windows itself will attempt to stop you from installing and running it. So that part is bunk.
Then people like to go on to the software aspect. Apple apologists like to point out that Macs come with iLife. Well, I just recently reinstalled OS X to remove all of iLife except iPhoto. iLife is the ultimate in bloatware. By reinstalling OS X without iLife installed I have about 10GB more of free space, even though iLife only requires 6GB to be installed. The iLife suite is useless for most people, and iMovie is only good if you want to do Youtube or Mobile Me clips. It's no longer any good for producing actual movies that would be good enough to burn to DVD, which is still what most people want. Even iMovie's newest and most impressive feature, image stabilization, is a gimmick. All it does is zoom up on the picture. So you have to decide between having a full resolution shaky image or a lower quality still image.
Freeware is almost non-existant on a Mac as well. Aside from VLC, Perian, and Adium, what decent freeware is there? Nearly every piece of software wants you to pony up $5, $10, $15 to fully unlock it. On Windows theres a whole world of freeware thats nearly as or as good as the paid stuff. With Windows, you can get by entirely on freeware.
Another aspect to the "total cost of ownership" argument would be warranty and service. Apple is known for not covering basic build quality issues, just ask the first gen MacBook Air owners about their hinge problems. Apple offers NO damage coverage. With a prebuilt PC, the manufacturer will offer warranties that cost about the same as AppleCare that cover accidental and liquid damage. Apple doesn't do this. AppleCare isn't even available for phone support 24/7. And if you're like me, and they replaced your screen with a defective one, you have to drive 75 miles to your closest Apple Store to prove its defective and get a replacement!
Now that the "total cost of ownership" argument is completely and utterly dead, let's go back to the commercial.
In this commercial she gets an HP HDX system. That means for about half the cost of the MacBook Pro she got a slightly faster GPU, the possibility of blu-ray, a bigger HDD, card readers, HDMI, and all of that good stuff.
Sure, the screen resolution MIGHT be 1366x768. It could be 1920x1080 as well, we don't know what specific model she got. However, 1366x768 is a true 16x9 resolution. Which means even though it is slightly lower than the 1440x900 screen on the MacBook Pro, its not the out an out of proportion 16x10 screen. It's a proper 16x9 screen which is perfect for video. And since it will have standard features like HDMI, she can connect it to any modern display (HDTV, computer monitor) without having to use a mess of expensive adapters and cables.
Some people mention "Windows Movie Maker" as the software Vista comes with. That is true. However, unlike a Mac, you're not stuck with only the pack-in software to choose from. It's extremely likely she already has the software she wants. Or she can buy the software she wants and still come in at saving money compared to buying a MacBook Pro.
The best part of the commercial is the comment about the amount of RAM the MacBook Pro comes with. It's true. Apple's computers tend to come with 1/4 (Mac mini) to 1/2 as much memory as PCs do. Some argue that its because OS X is more efficient. That's just a load of BS that you can smell from a mile away. I've been using OS X for years now, as well as Windows for even longer. Windows runs much better on the same hardware, and Leopard is every bit as "bloated" as Vista is.
In the end, Microsoft needs to keep these ads up. It shows what a ripoff Macs are and how you can get much better for half the money by going with a PC.
And to anyone who says Microsoft is "scared", keep in mind that Apple's worldwide market share is only at about 3.5%, Microsoft's is at about 90%. You think about that
I'm a MacBook owner. I have a UniBody MacBook. It was a replacement for two plastic MacBooks that failed due to Apple's poor build quality.
I also find the arguments put forth by the Apple apologists to be hilarious.
One of the arguments that fails but is used the most is "total cost of ownership". A Mac user trying to use this argument is just downright stupid.
With a Mac Pro or MacBook Pro, you're spending more than double what you would on an equal PC. With the Mac Pro, you can build something with several times more GPU processing power and about 95% of the CPU power for around $800. With a MacBook Pro you can get a PC with the same processor, bigger HDD, blu-ray, a GPU that is at least twice as fast, and standard features like HDMI and card readers for half the cost. When you compare the iMac to PC desktops, there is no comparison. You can buy a better screen plus use actual DESKTOP components and get much more power for several hundred dollars less. I mean, look at the iMac. It's a laptop on a stand. You have to spend $1799 to get dedicated graphics. A $900 PC tower can have a Core i7 and at least a GeForce 9800 GT. Look at the MacBook. That system I compared to the MacBook Pro a few lines up is priced at $1299, same as the UniBody MacBook. Why even buy a MacBook? If you want a 13.3" screen, Dell's Studio XPS 13 offers dual GPUs running in hybrid SLI, an LED screen, 4GB of RAM, and a 7200RPM 320GB HDD for about the same price as the entry UniBody MacBook. It also has a 2.4GHz processor. Look at the Mac mini. $600 gets me 1GB of RAM and a notebook Core 2 Duo at 2GHz with a GeForce 9400M? $600 in the PC world will get me quad core, 4GB at least, and a good GPU.
There are other aspects to the "total cost of ownership" argument Apple fans like to make. One being anti-virus software. First of all, good AV software is free. Secondly, you have to be pretty stupid to get infected these days. IE and Firefox both guard against malware actively, and will give you multiple warnings and try to stop you from downloading malware at every step. Then Windows itself will attempt to stop you from installing and running it. So that part is bunk.
Then people like to go on to the software aspect. Apple apologists like to point out that Macs come with iLife. Well, I just recently reinstalled OS X to remove all of iLife except iPhoto. iLife is the ultimate in bloatware. By reinstalling OS X without iLife installed I have about 10GB more of free space, even though iLife only requires 6GB to be installed. The iLife suite is useless for most people, and iMovie is only good if you want to do Youtube or Mobile Me clips. It's no longer any good for producing actual movies that would be good enough to burn to DVD, which is still what most people want. Even iMovie's newest and most impressive feature, image stabilization, is a gimmick. All it does is zoom up on the picture. So you have to decide between having a full resolution shaky image or a lower quality still image.
Freeware is almost non-existant on a Mac as well. Aside from VLC, Perian, and Adium, what decent freeware is there? Nearly every piece of software wants you to pony up $5, $10, $15 to fully unlock it. On Windows theres a whole world of freeware thats nearly as or as good as the paid stuff. With Windows, you can get by entirely on freeware.
Another aspect to the "total cost of ownership" argument would be warranty and service. Apple is known for not covering basic build quality issues, just ask the first gen MacBook Air owners about their hinge problems. Apple offers NO damage coverage. With a prebuilt PC, the manufacturer will offer warranties that cost about the same as AppleCare that cover accidental and liquid damage. Apple doesn't do this. AppleCare isn't even available for phone support 24/7. And if you're like me, and they replaced your screen with a defective one, you have to drive 75 miles to your closest Apple Store to prove its defective and get a replacement!
Now that the "total cost of ownership" argument is completely and utterly dead, let's go back to the commercial.
In this commercial she gets an HP HDX system. That means for about half the cost of the MacBook Pro she got a slightly faster GPU, the possibility of blu-ray, a bigger HDD, card readers, HDMI, and all of that good stuff.
Sure, the screen resolution MIGHT be 1366x768. It could be 1920x1080 as well, we don't know what specific model she got. However, 1366x768 is a true 16x9 resolution. Which means even though it is slightly lower than the 1440x900 screen on the MacBook Pro, its not the out an out of proportion 16x10 screen. It's a proper 16x9 screen which is perfect for video. And since it will have standard features like HDMI, she can connect it to any modern display (HDTV, computer monitor) without having to use a mess of expensive adapters and cables.
Some people mention "Windows Movie Maker" as the software Vista comes with. That is true. However, unlike a Mac, you're not stuck with only the pack-in software to choose from. It's extremely likely she already has the software she wants. Or she can buy the software she wants and still come in at saving money compared to buying a MacBook Pro.
The best part of the commercial is the comment about the amount of RAM the MacBook Pro comes with. It's true. Apple's computers tend to come with 1/4 (Mac mini) to 1/2 as much memory as PCs do. Some argue that its because OS X is more efficient. That's just a load of BS that you can smell from a mile away. I've been using OS X for years now, as well as Windows for even longer. Windows runs much better on the same hardware, and Leopard is every bit as "bloated" as Vista is.
In the end, Microsoft needs to keep these ads up. It shows what a ripoff Macs are and how you can get much better for half the money by going with a PC.
And to anyone who says Microsoft is "scared", keep in mind that Apple's worldwide market share is only at about 3.5%, Microsoft's is at about 90%. You think about that
uuuh . . yeah. I did a movie 2 days ago. And nothing too complicated. Quicktime with Perian components. Pretty easy actually. Did it for 4 languages into AVI and several other formats. Looks like it was hurting your head some though. You alright?
I know you just joined a few days ago to bash everyone here at this "Fanboy" site, but some of us are not JUST Mac users. Some of use Unix, PCs . . hell, I even use a Sun Microsystem desktop using Solaris for certain things. But that doesn't mean we are FANBOYS (or Fanboys only) and that also doesn't mean you have to take such a nasty attitude with all your comments towards everyone else. I know we will all miss you when you leave us to go back to your Microsoft forums.
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I'm a video producer, I use a desktop PowerMac G4 (last revision), PowerBook G4, new uni MacBook Pro, all are used in my production house- all have different needs, although most final products are brought together via the PowerMac. It's great to be able to edit pieces on the go. So I think it's valid for any video pro to have a MacBook Pro and use it- I think you'll also find most "pro's" use more than one editing machine.
They are really trying hard. I guess we apple heads can't blame them for trying.
I'm a real producer and I am a mac.
(and for all the nay-sayers my G4, ain't close to a macpro, but still gets my projects done on time, even with HD support-but I'll soon get a maxed macpro).
I'm a video producer, I use a desktop PowerMac G4 (last revision), PowerBook G4, new uni MacBook Pro, all are used in my production house- all have different needs, although most final products are brought together via the PowerMac. It's great to be able to edit pieces on the go. So I think it's valid for any video pro to have a MacBook Pro and use it- I think you'll also find most "pro's" use more than one editing machine.
They are really trying hard. I guess we apple heads can't blame them for trying.
I'm a real producer and I am a mac.
(and for all the nay-sayers my G4, ain't close to a macpro, but still gets my projects done on time, even with HD support-but I'll soon get a maxed macpro).
Ha ha!
You will get a lot of response for that one
About 50% of your points are valid and 50% are pretty much ********.
The perfect flamebait.
mosx the freeware scene isn't that bad under OS X. I've found that most good freeware is going to run on Windows/OS X/Linux regardless. With a few tweaks to the GUI kits you're getting the same thing.
Good post otherwise but it has a wall of text feeling.
Good post otherwise but it has a wall of text feeling.
So is she cutting her video with Windows Movie Maker for YouTube? Geesh.
Like others have said, you really have to stretch to try to justify buying a windows laptop for video editing; especially with a 2 grand budget.
The video pro's I work with wouldn't be caught dead with a windows laptop. They're all using some model of Mac Pro with at least a 23 inch screen. They have different mac laptops (a powerbook, macbook pro, etc for portable needs; but the real cutting with Final Cut, Motion, etc; is a desktop job.
Like others have said, you really have to stretch to try to justify buying a windows laptop for video editing; especially with a 2 grand budget.
The video pro's I work with wouldn't be caught dead with a windows laptop. They're all using some model of Mac Pro with at least a 23 inch screen. They have different mac laptops (a powerbook, macbook pro, etc
for portable needs; but the real cutting with Final Cut, Motion, etc; is a desktop job.Yes, they were. Hence the 'Pro' line with it's metal construction.
At the same time: comparing the black MacBook my wife has to a number of HP and Dell plasti-books reveals that not all plastics were created equal. The MacBooks, even when plastic, were solid and far from "cheap" feeling, unlike the HPs and Dells of the world.
Not having had to deal with AVI files or hard subtitles, I can't answer your question. I assume from the jack*ssy way you are asking that you have already determined Final Cut Pro does not do this out of the box?
("OSX" doesn't do that, of course, any more than "Windows" will do that ... the *application* you run might do it though).
In fairness no colour critical work is not possible whithout a decently calibrated external but a laptop still has its uses.. I use mine for ALL my editing but do use a screen when doing stuff I am getting paid for... But for photos there is nothing wrong with using a laptop... other than the screen ^^
She's a PC, an artist AND she fell from the top of the ugly tree and hit EVERY branch on the way down! To quote the famous John Candy (Uncle Buck), "Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam."
I'm a recent Apple convert... at work I am forced to use a Dell which admittedly is a few years old now... maybe a 1.4 or 1.6 ghz machine.
Every time that GD computer becomes unresponsive and I have to hit Control Alt Delete open the task manager and kill the mcafee processes just so the computer becomes usable again it makes me happy to have made the choice I have.
Every time that GD computer becomes unresponsive and I have to hit Control Alt Delete open the task manager and kill the mcafee processes just so the computer becomes usable again it makes me happy to have made the choice I have.
That woman is worryingly unattractive. If you accept her as having an unfeminine aesthetic, and more a tomboy image, then don't put her in a skirt - it just doesn't suit her. Next, she claims to be an artist, but shows no artistic traits. Thirdly, video editing is all about the software as a previous poster said - Avid, Media100, Final Cut Pro, Premiere or Vegas. The Pro apps are Avid (PC or Mac), Media100 (Mac), Final Cut Pro (Mac). Premier is borderline (PC and Mac) useful for After Effects and Photoshop integration, etc, and I know a few people who enjoy using Vegas (PC). I was surprised by the 2MB RAM criticism, as I thought 4MB was standard, since that's what came with my MacBook Pro.
These ads are painful to watch - especially as I've seen the trouble people have when they get their laptops home and try and use 'em. That said, I'm not an exclusive Mac fan - I love Windows 98, and prefer PCs for typing, web design, and desktop publishing. I use Macs for music and video editing. There are also plenty of annoyances and oversights in Leopard, but....these adverts are painful to watch.
Still - the audience is unlikely to be pro video editors. It just has to give the gist that PCs offer better value for money (and as far as hardware alone goes, they do). But I wonder if the way they linger on the MacBook in particular during each of these adverts, and point out a really weak criticism, is gonna work against them? If I were Microsoft, Apple wouldn't be in my ads.
That said, if Apple weren't in them, we wouldn't all be watching them online, and talking about them. =P
These ads are painful to watch - especially as I've seen the trouble people have when they get their laptops home and try and use 'em. That said, I'm not an exclusive Mac fan - I love Windows 98, and prefer PCs for typing, web design, and desktop publishing. I use Macs for music and video editing. There are also plenty of annoyances and oversights in Leopard, but....these adverts are painful to watch.
Still - the audience is unlikely to be pro video editors. It just has to give the gist that PCs offer better value for money (and as far as hardware alone goes, they do). But I wonder if the way they linger on the MacBook in particular during each of these adverts, and point out a really weak criticism, is gonna work against them? If I were Microsoft, Apple wouldn't be in my ads.
That said, if Apple weren't in them, we wouldn't all be watching them online, and talking about them. =P
LOL! Video editing on a PC? Even the people who make Windows commercials don't do that. You are a PC and you just bought the wrong computer.