New Sony Phone 3rd August

[apolloa]

I'm just not seeing the appeal of 4K on a phone. I don't think current CPU, GPU, RAM or battery are up the challenge without tangible customer experience compromises.

The battery is huge in the 4k Z5, and I read that apparently the Snapdragon 810 is a 4k solution. But I say if a 4k screen is pointless then so are 4k cameras.
But we better get used to it as 4k is just the start, then it'll be 6k and then 8k.

 

[robE89]

You can't compare a 5.x' 4k display with a 4k photo/video and they don't need to be related.

I'm sick of the spec war and the overpriced stuff which comes with it but it needs to happen sometimes, i guess.

 

[Robstevo]

You can't compare a 5.x' 4k display with a 4k photo/video and they don't need to be related.

I'm sick of the spec war and the overpriced stuff which comes with it but it needs to happen sometimes, i guess.

Why are you sick of the spec war? Our phones and all components are improving at a huge rate.

Improvement = good the majority of time.

Most times its the implementation of the improvement that makes it suffer.

I for one think a 4k Display on a smart phone is ssilly because I already can't see pixels on qhd phones, the performance will probably be downgraded because the processor will use more power, and battery life will suffer most likely.

However in 2 years time most of these downsides will have probably been weeded out.

Like all iPhone fans probably said a few years ago when most android phones a few years ago about HD screens, the same applies here.

Apple is falling behind in many ways in terms of hardware now, they certainly don't have the best screens, there are better cameras, better speakers, better performance and faster phones etc

Where as in the past (iPhone 4?) I would say apple clearly has the best screen, best camera, chip was amazing etc

Apple is being very slow at evolving the iphone compared to its competitors.

Of course they do offer a great ecosystem that ties in all there hard ware ( phones, tablets, computers etc)

However now days you can basically do everything that Apple do with an app. Push bullet basically allows you to control your phone on your computer to send apps etc

Google photos can sync all your photos to every device etc

Google Drive is better than Icloud in many ways and is universal.

So in many ways it's ecosystem has been caught up already.

 

[robE89]

Yes, i agree but to expand my ideea is that spec war usually make companies lazy and instead to make let's say a more optimized software, they just rely on silly specs like 4k display or just insane cpu core numbers which doesn't really translate to better things not to mention again the overprice that comes with it. I would like to see a spec war on battery, camera, software features on things that improve your experience as a whole.

Ultimately i'm not 100% percent against because i know there are people who are early adopters and like to buy everything new every 6 months is just that we are playing a catch up game which doesn't seem to end. I wonder if 810 is enough for a smooth 4k gaming experience for example.

 

[apolloa]

You can't compare a 5.x' 4k display with a 4k photo/video and they don't need to be related.

I'm sick of the spec war and the overpriced stuff which comes with it but it needs to happen sometimes, i guess.

Yes I can. Why do you need a 4k video recorder when you have no 4k screen to show the content on?
You take a 4k video the chances are everyone who then sees that video will watch it on your phone or a non 4k computer screen.

Hence why I argue 4k cameras are as useful as 4k 5.5" screens. You cannot have one without the other as it makes each one pointless otherwise, a 4k screen with no content recorded at 4k, a 4k camera with no 4k screen to show its content on.

 

[tbayrgs]

Yes I can. Why do you need a 4k video recorder when you have no 4k screen to show the content on?
You take a 4k video the chances are everyone who then sees that video will watch it on your phone or a non 4k computer screen.

Hence why I argue 4k cameras are as useful as 4k 5.5" screens. You cannot have one without the other as it makes each one pointless otherwise, a 4k screen with no content recorded at 4k, a 4k camera with no 4k screen to show its content on.

But there are plenty of 4K displays to watch video on...and most people that have them, have them in their living room, on a device where the difference between 2K and 4K is far more noticeable. Others may have them in their office on a monitor that is still monumentally larger than one's phone.

Play a 2K video and 4K video on a 5.5" phone and you won't be able to tell the difference, because the human eye cannot discern the individual pixels. That's why it's a waste. Just because a video can be taken at a specific resolution doesn't mean that EVERY display on the planet must match that resolution--it's all about context and applicable uses. It becomes even more irrelevant when it's use negatively impacts a devices performance dramatically.

Sony needed a 'look at me' moment at IFA, something so people would actually discuss their products because most of their businesses, and especially their mobile division, have been hemorrhaging money (latest speculation I heard was $1 million a day ). Using 4K in a smaller application may certainly have a relevant use (VR like many have mentioned)--I just don't see this as it.

 

[apolloa]

But there are plenty of 4K displays to watch video on...and most people that have them, have them in their living room, on a device where the difference between 2K and 4K is far more noticeable. Others may have them in their office on a monitor that is still monumentally larger than one's phone.

Play a 2K video and 4K video on a 5.5" phone and you won't be able to tell the difference, because the human eye cannot discern the individual pixels. That's why it's a waste. Just because a video can be taken at a specific resolution doesn't mean that EVERY display on the planet must match that resolution--it's all about context and applicable uses. It becomes even more irrelevant when it's use negatively impacts a devices performance dramatically.

Sony needed a 'look at me' moment at IFA, something so people would actually discuss their products because most of their businesses, and especially their mobile division, have been hemorrhaging money (latest speculation I heard was $1 million a day ). Using 4K in a smaller application may certainly have a relevant use (VR like many have mentioned)--I just don't see this as it.

Firstly you have no idea about the Z5 Premium performance as it hasn't been tested yet, so far as I know.
And most don't have a 4k TV, I would also question how many actually watch videos or photos taken with a phone on a TV too, as opposed to a tablet or phone or computer screen.
As I said this is just the start, 6k them 8k is next, and maybe those flexible screens too.

 

[Technarchy]

Apple is falling behind in many ways in terms of hardware now, they certainly don't have the best screens, there are better cameras, better speakers, better performance and faster phones etc

Where as in the past (iPhone 4?) I would say apple clearly has the best screen, best camera, chip was amazing etc

Apple is being very slow at evolving the iphone compared to its competitors.

Understatement.

At this stage the iPhone 6 as a flagship would be debatable if anyone else made it, and Apple's services are weaker than Google's.

There is always the subjective ecosystem and user experience, but Android has a incredibly robust ecosystem that is portable due to cloud services, and I 100% believe android Lollipop is more stable than iOS 8 based upon my experience with both.

I think Apple is so dependent on the iPhone for keeping Apple in the black due it being their leading product that they are way too concerned with margins rather than making the best product with the best user experience.

Prime example: 1GB of ram. That's a whole lot of WTH in this day and age.

 

[tbayrgs]

Firstly you have no idea about the Z5 Premium performance as it hasn't been tested yet, so far as I know.
And most don't have a 4k TV, I would also question how many actually watch videos or photos taken with a phone on a TV too, as opposed to a tablet or phone or computer screen.
As I said this is just the start, 6k them 8k is next, and maybe those flexible screens too.

Need to pay closer attention to what you're reading. First, don't see a single word in my post where I discuss the Z5 Premium's performance but rather discussing the merits, or lack there of, of having a 4K display on a 5.5" phone. I made no qualms about expressing my skepticism about how I think it will perform in other posts, but that had nothing to do with the lost you quoted.

Second, I didn't say most people have 4K displays, but rather they certainly are out there, and usually in the form of a television. Nearly 2 million 4K televisions were sold in 2013 and manufacturers estimated shipment of 25-30 million 4K panels last year. It's probably a pretty safe bet that sales this year significantly outweighed that--I bought one and it costs less than the 50" plasma I purchased 7 years ago which was hardly cutting edge at the time. Regardless of the actual numbers, any 4K content right now is almost certainly consumed on a TV. Why? Because there are next to no other 4K displays outside of televisions. Your assumption that most people watch 4K content on something other than a TV is simply incorrect, because there are no 4K laptops or tablets, and very few monitors. And why is this? Because it makes a far greater difference on large screen displays where the improved ppi is actually noticeable.

As far as 6 and 8K--of course we'll get there someday but it won't be in the next few years. What's the benefit of such high resolution when 1) there is no content and 2) the human eye cannot discern the difference? Flexible displays will come far before those super high resolution displays.

 

[Will22]

Yes I can. Why do you need a 4k video recorder when you have no 4k screen to show the content on?
You take a 4k video the chances are everyone who then sees that video will watch it on your phone or a non 4k computer screen.

Hence why I argue 4k cameras are as useful as 4k 5.5" screens. You cannot have one without the other as it makes each one pointless otherwise, a 4k screen with no content recorded at 4k, a 4k camera with no 4k screen to show its content on.

Well I wish I had a 4k camera years ago so that I could now look at the video I shot on my 4k TV.

 

[apolloa]

Need to pay closer attention to what you're reading. First, don't see a single word in my post where I discuss the Z5 Premium's performance but rather discussing the merits, or lack there of, of having a 4K display on a 5.5" phone. I made no qualms about expressing my skepticism about how I think it will perform in other posts, but that had nothing to do with the lost you quoted.

Second, I didn't say most people have 4K displays, but rather they certainly are out there, and usually in the form of a television. Nearly 2 million 4K televisions were sold in 2013 and manufacturers estimated shipment of 25-30 million 4K panels last year. It's probably a pretty safe bet that sales this year significantly outweighed that--I bought one and it costs less than the 50" plasma I purchased 7 years ago which was hardly cutting edge at the time. Regardless of the actual numbers, any 4K content right now is almost certainly consumed on a TV. Why? Because there are next to no other 4K displays outside of televisions. Your assumption that most people watch 4K content on something other than a TV is simply incorrect, because there are no 4K laptops or tablets, and very few monitors. And why is this? Because it makes a far greater difference on large screen displays where the improved ppi is actually noticeable.

As far as 6 and 8K--of course we'll get there someday but it won't be in the next few years. What's the benefit of such high resolution when 1) there is no content and 2) the human eye cannot discern the difference? Flexible displays will come far before those super high resolution displays.

You stated:

--it's all about context and applicable uses. It becomes even more irrelevant when it's use negatively impacts a devices performance dramatically.

Hence why I said you don't know how 4he Z5 performs as 4his is the Z5 thread and you didn't specify another device?

And I would still argue people don't watch 4K video on televisions they shot with their mobile phones and that it is still a tiny percentage of TV owners who have them. People don't upgrade TVs everything something new comes out.

As for monitors, their are a fair few 4k screens on the market, of the top of my head I think we have Asus, Dell, Samsung making them, Dell make a 5k one too and then we have the iMac 5k range and their is a 4k laptop now, this one was launched last Year:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/15/toshibas-first-4k-laptop-arrives-next-week-for-1-500/

And I know you can spec 4k screens on gaming laptops like Alienware:

http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-17-r3/pd.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs#AnchorZone3

As for higher res screens, LG showed a 8k TV at IFA last year:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/forget-4k-lgs-98-inch-8k-tv-window-future-weve-waiting/

And Samsung are working on 11k screens:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-super-resolution-display-pixel-overload.html

So it is all coming faster then you think. People post videos 8nto social media these days and You Tube supports it, and people tend to watch You Tube on their computers or tablets and phones. So I think 4k will become pretty widespread, the argument that we can't tell the difference I don't think comes into it all really, not when you think of what's happening with screen resolutions.

I've read that a 40" 4K TV is questionable with what you can see, but Apple still made a higher res 5K IMac screen at 27".

So I can see that as manufactures push higher and higher res screens they want content, and as they push 4k cameras more and more they want screens to show it off on in the way people consume it on all devices.
And hence the Z5 Premium makes sense.

 

[apolloa]

Here's a video showing the Z5 autofocus speed....

 

[GadgetSN]

Looks like Sony have dropped prices already. Either that or the original prices displayed on their website was incorrect. In anycase all models are at least £100 less.

Hope the final product doesn't suffer from the 810 heat issues as it will be dead on arrival for this model.

 

[JaySoul]

Looks like Sony have dropped prices already. Either that or the original prices displayed on their website was incorrect. In anycase all models are at least £100 less.

Hope the final product doesn't suffer from the 810 heat issues as it will be dead on arrival for this model.

Bizarrely enough, these were the prices that Clove had immediately.

So I think maybe Sony UK just messed up or something. It can happen.

Gotta say, £429 for the Z3 Compact is pretty damn reasonable.

 

[GadgetSN]

Im still waiting for Samsung to correct their Edge Plus prices. Like the Sony website, Samsungs prices are too obviously incorrect.........right?

 

[JaySoul]

Im still waiting for Samsung to correct their Edge Plus prices. Like the Sony website, Samsungs prices are too obviously incorrect.........right?

Haha no chance