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It's not looking overly promising, thermal paste and heat pipes and it still overheated.............

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...als-dual-heat-pipes-and-thermal-paste_id73415

Most of you guys have probably been introduced by now to the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium, the world's first smartphone with a 4K display. Although our quick hands-on time with the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium was enough to verify that the smartphone really comes with a breathtaking display, there are still many reasons why we think that the industry doesn't need a 4K smartphone just yet. One of these reasons is that current-generation chipsets already have a tough time dealing with QHD displays and that the extra stress on the chipset will lead to increased temperatures and sluggish performance due to thermal throttling.

Since the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium comes with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset, a mobile SoC that's been very often criticized for its thermal performance, many are probably wondering if Sony was able to keep the overheating issues in check without limiting the performance of the chipset too much. While that's still to be discovered when the final units get to our testing lab, a new photo leaked online today allegedly revealing the measures that Sony had to come up with in order to keep the Snapdragon 810 overheating issues under as much control as possible. Take a look:


Sony-Xperia-Z5-Premium-Dual-Heatpipes-Thermal-Paste.jpg


If this image turns out to be the real deal, then Sony did its best to ensure that the heat coming from the Snapdragon 810 is dissipated as efficiently as possible. Aside from integrating a pair of heat pipes, it looks like Sony has also applied some thermal paste right over the chipset. As the name suggests, thermal paste is a viscous substance that can be applied over the CPU to help with the heat dissipation. Thermal paste is a vital thermal control ingredient as far as desktop-class CPUs are concerned, but we've never seen it applied on smartphone SoCs until now.

Unfortunately, the real question - does the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium overheat to a greater extent compared to other high-end smartphones? - remains unanswered for now. It will be interesting to see just how efficient the dual heat pipes - thermal paste combo turns out to be, but that cannot be analyzed until the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium is officially launched.


AND...................


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-Z5-overheating-Snapdragon-810-still-an-issue_id73422

z5-heat.jpg


Call it the modern age blue screen of death. Despite numerous reports about Qualcomm fixing overheating issues in the second version of its Snapdragon 810 system chip, we still find some evidence that the issue persists on the Sony Xperia Z5 at IFA 2015.
One disclaimers is due first, though: the Sony Xperia Z5 units that we tested on the showroom floor are non-final prototypes and those issues might be resolved in the final version of the handset.

With this in mind, we were still not very pleasantly surprised to see the 'overheating, shutting app down' message while checking out the camera interface on the Xperia Z5. And no, we were not even recording the demanding 4K video that is known to cause phones to get hot - it was just looking through the various camera options available, right after checking out the overall interface. Put simply, the camera app shut down with no apparent reason, and that's what's bothersome.

We should also note that the phone itself is getting pretty warm, while maybe not as scorching hot as some earlier Xperias. Still, this is a troubling issue that we hope Sony and Qualcomm will find a way to resolve in the final units of the Xperia Z5.
Exactly what I feared and suspected. ...
 

apolloa

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Exactly what I feared and suspected. ...

Yeah, and as they said you can't say Sony hasn't tried. But they are holding off final judgment until retail units. Still with the 810's history I am happy the new Nexus 5 is being rumoured with the 808 chip.
I think it'll be interesting to see the 4K screen model tests and results.
 

gotluck

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.... says this is the first implementation of heatsink and thermal paste in a mobile device.
Wonder if the same is true for the entire z5 line?

That's probably enough to scare me back to the LG nexus. Though I'm not against future generations using the tech, or buying it later if it proves favorable over time.
 
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tbayrgs

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at least you were consistent with expressing that about all OEMs.

Yeah, I try to be universally critical when picking apart any device's flaws. ;)

I'm already pissed at Apple for sticking with 16GB on their upcoming iPhones. See, even Apple doesn't escape my wrath. :p
 
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Yeah, 2016 will be the year of 32GB iPhones and the non overheating SnapDragon 820 :)

The post I made though shows the Z5 Premium torn down with the thermal paste and heatpipes, but the crashing Z5 in the photo I believe is just the standard Z5.
 
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Interesting.... a story has come out about a rumour that Sony is launching a Z5 Compact Premium with a bigger battery, 1080P screen and 4GB Ram, but it's for Japan only:

http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-z5-compact-premium-report-640042/

Earlier this week Sony unveiled the new Xperia Z5 series to the world, introducing three new models, the Z5, Z5 Premium, and Z5 Compact. All three handsets offer several key improvements over the Z3 and Z4 series, and their arrival is easy the biggest news of IFA 2015.However, what you might not know is that Sony actually has a fourth Xperia Z5 family member on the way, at least according to the China-based tech site CnBeta.com.

Japanese carrier NTT DoCoMo reportedly has a special variant of the Xperia Z5 Compact on the way, dubbed the Z5 Compact Premium. This model is said to offer the same Snapdragon 810 processor and overall looks over the Compact, but trades in the 2GB RAM for 4GB, and the 720p display for a 4.6-inch 1080p display. The battery is also upgraded to 2900 mAh. Interestingly enough, that means this model has even more RAM than the Xperia Z5 Premium, which seems like an odd choice.
 

MRU

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Yup...and everyone called me out for saying a 4K display in a phone is ridiculous overkill...:rolleyes:
Yeah I said it myself earlier in this thread too.

I can barely see a difference between QHD & 1080p.

Yes I can tell the difference between a good screen and a bad screen. For example the Note 4/5 has same resolution as Nexus 6 and looks a lot better. That's nothing to do with resolution, likewise the iPhone 6 Plus looks IMHO a lot better than the Nexus 6 too despite having lower resolution.

I do think the Note 5 has a better screen than my iPhone 6 Plus, despite white balance being a bit too warm. But this is not resolution difference, it's just a better panel.

So being able to percieve and have in your device a great screen to me is very different to being able to see or appreciate a massive resolution difference.

I honestly can't see any pixels in something 400+ dpi as it stands, anything above that I still can't see them; so for me the jump to 800dpi just isn't something I really want.

There's too many inherent tradeoffs your going to make to power such a high dpi screen and framerate will be harder hit by the GPu/cpu driving such high resolution screens.
 

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This test was interesting in that the guy doing the test thinks it is the best mobile phone 4K camera to date.


Nice phone imo, the 4K screen would be ideal for VR.
 

MRU

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This test was interesting in that the guy doing the test thinks it is the best mobile phone 4K camera to date.


Nice phone imo, the 4K screen would be ideal for VR.

That's the Z5 not Z5 premium. Basil had terrible issues with Z3+ overheating. In his Z5 premium hands on he states Sony wouldn't allow him to play with the UI at all.
 

Klyster

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Well that's a bit of a bummer...
We'll have to wait for more comprehensive test I spose..
Shouldn't be too long :)
 

MRU

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Well that's a bit of a bummer...
We'll have to wait for more comprehensive test I spose..
Shouldn't be too long :)

Keep an eye on Basil's videos at BTekt :) I'm sure he'll have it as soon as he can. It's a great alternative to American reviewers as often he gets devices that are intended for Europe not USA :)
 

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It's not looking overly promising, thermal paste and heat pipes and it still overheated.............

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...als-dual-heat-pipes-and-thermal-paste_id73415

Most of you guys have probably been introduced by now to the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium, the world's first smartphone with a 4K display. Although our quick hands-on time with the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium was enough to verify that the smartphone really comes with a breathtaking display, there are still many reasons why we think that the industry doesn't need a 4K smartphone just yet. One of these reasons is that current-generation chipsets already have a tough time dealing with QHD displays and that the extra stress on the chipset will lead to increased temperatures and sluggish performance due to thermal throttling.

Since the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium comes with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset, a mobile SoC that's been very often criticized for its thermal performance, many are probably wondering if Sony was able to keep the overheating issues in check without limiting the performance of the chipset too much. While that's still to be discovered when the final units get to our testing lab, a new photo leaked online today allegedly revealing the measures that Sony had to come up with in order to keep the Snapdragon 810 overheating issues under as much control as possible. Take a look:


Sony-Xperia-Z5-Premium-Dual-Heatpipes-Thermal-Paste.jpg


If this image turns out to be the real deal, then Sony did its best to ensure that the heat coming from the Snapdragon 810 is dissipated as efficiently as possible. Aside from integrating a pair of heat pipes, it looks like Sony has also applied some thermal paste right over the chipset. As the name suggests, thermal paste is a viscous substance that can be applied over the CPU to help with the heat dissipation. Thermal paste is a vital thermal control ingredient as far as desktop-class CPUs are concerned, but we've never seen it applied on smartphone SoCs until now.

Unfortunately, the real question - does the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium overheat to a greater extent compared to other high-end smartphones? - remains unanswered for now. It will be interesting to see just how efficient the dual heat pipes - thermal paste combo turns out to be, but that cannot be analyzed until the Sony Xperia Z5 Premium is officially launched.


AND...................


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-Z5-overheating-Snapdragon-810-still-an-issue_id73422

z5-heat.jpg


Call it the modern age blue screen of death. Despite numerous reports about Qualcomm fixing overheating issues in the second version of its Snapdragon 810 system chip, we still find some evidence that the issue persists on the Sony Xperia Z5 at IFA 2015.
One disclaimers is due first, though: the Sony Xperia Z5 units that we tested on the showroom floor are non-final prototypes and those issues might be resolved in the final version of the handset.

With this in mind, we were still not very pleasantly surprised to see the 'overheating, shutting app down' message while checking out the camera interface on the Xperia Z5. And no, we were not even recording the demanding 4K video that is known to cause phones to get hot - it was just looking through the various camera options available, right after checking out the overall interface. Put simply, the camera app shut down with no apparent reason, and that's what's bothersome.

We should also note that the phone itself is getting pretty warm, while maybe not as scorching hot as some earlier Xperias. Still, this is a troubling issue that we hope Sony and Qualcomm will find a way to resolve in the final units of the Xperia Z5.
The 1st link talks about Z5 Premium heat solutions, while the 2nd is about the Regular Z5 Overheating.

Take note, the Z5P has a stainless steel frame vs. Aluminium in the Z5 and Z5C, also remember the Z5P is larger. All this could could affect heat dissipation.
 

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The 1st link talks about Z5 Premium heat solutions, while the 2nd is about the Regular Z5 Overheating.

Take note, the Z5P has a stainless steel frame vs. Aluminium in the Z5 and Z5C, also remember the Z5P is larger. All this could could affect heat dissipation.


Plus those phones were probably getting a hammering from others using it.
 

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I'm waiting for reviews.

Tbh the Z5 is most likely for me, so even if the Premium reviews slate the battery life/overheating, then Sony will just stick an 820 in it in 6 months time!
 

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Thats what I dont get with you SD card slot fanboys. Even with an SD card you cant use it. MY Sony devices have 16gb internal and 128gb SD cards but the cards are empty. You cant save anything on them. I have Sky Go and Amazon Prime Video and would love to save the downloadable movies and TV shows but cant do that.

Glad to hear Marshmallow will support SD cards. The current Sd card situation is the worst thing about Android ( I dont want to root). Books from kindle, comics and games are other things missing from my Android devices.
Lol, "SD card slot fanboys"

I store tons of stuff on my SD Card, from Music, Photos, Videos, TV Shows, Movies, Documents etc etc...
 

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But .. Enthusiastic skepticism is the new optimism :p

Haha, I'm sure they will be fine, well using my enthusiastic skepticism I'm sure anyway hehe.
But Sony have some good engineering skills so we will have to see how well they handle the heat. I would be annoyed though if this Z5 Premium for Japan only is true as that sounds like a great phone.
 

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I'm just not seeing the appeal of 4K on a phone. I don't think current CPU, GPU, RAM or battery are up the challenge without tangible customer experience compromises.
 
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