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gotluck

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dang, i may actually go for the z5 compact or z5 over the lg nexus, leaning towards the compact at the moment, maybe the yellow one :p

did we get a confirmation on whether the z5 and compact have a glass back?

I have no audio at work right now but people are saying
bodes well for overheating

what about wireless charging and/or quick charging?

battery life will probably be best in class with the 720p and 1080p models, particularly the compact
 

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The camera on the new Z5 sounds very impressive, and that is a very important factor in a smartphone IMO. How many times has a great opportunity come up to take a pick of your kids, or girlfriend / boyfriend / mistress, or a cool sport scene, etc... And with a crappy camera or bad focus, or slow click, it just kills the moment.

But still no OIS? As the best smartphone cameras in the market now all included this feature, it's quickly becoming a near deal breaker for me in my smartphone choices. Of course we have to see some real world usage reviews but kinda bummed it's not included. Otherwise, the standard Z5 seems like the near perfect phone for me--1080p, good sized battery, solid build materials and basically near stock Android, with the added bonus of a fingerprint reader, waterproof, and expandable memory.
 
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tbayrgs

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So would you say tech progress in phone screens have reached as good as we will ever need and they should push forward?

No, I'd say it's a feature with far more detrimental effects with little to no real world benefits. Sony wants to work on developing new display tech...that's great. Putting it in a phone for consumers is just plain stupid. It's like putting a 1500 hp engine in a Honda Civic--sure you can do it but the strain on the vehicle is enormous, you cannot use the extra power in real world driving, and the amount of fuel it requires is obscene.

Screen tech is improving drastically faster than battery tech--let's work on the latter before we keep pushing the former even further in mobile devices.
 

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But still no OIS? As the best smartphone cameras in the market now all included this feature, it's quickly becoming a near deal breaker for me in my smartphone choices. Of course we have to see some real world usage reviews but kinda bummed it's not included. Otherwise, the standard Z5 seems like the near perfect phone for me--1080p, good sized battery, solid build materials and basically near stock Android, with the added bonus of a fingerprint reader, waterproof, and expandable memory.

The iPhone 4.7" has no OIS yet no one complains. Sony has VERY good image stabilisation, it is far better than anyone else using digital only. And considering most other makes use Sony sensors which have just had OIS added to them, then the pictures will still be good.

And as for your 4K screen comment, so should we not have 4K televisions then? Are they stupid too? Is every single phone with a 4K camera stupid? Considering their is no point having a 4K camera without a 4k screen to view the video on...

4K screens are crazy but equally so are 4K video recording on phones, yet people want these features.
 

gotluck

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dimensions

z5
146mm x 72mm x 7.3mm

z5compact
127mm x 65mm x 8.9mm

i may be leaning towards the regular z now

Im used to a gs4 with
136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm

choices, choices
 

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The presentation seemed to indicate their SteadyShot was amazing. That was for video and seemed to be pretty wicked.

As for the Z5 I ain't paying £600 for it, but it will drop in price very quickly and I'd be happy paying up to £500 if it's that good.

The Z5 range has certainly moved to the Top 3 choices for me! And frankly the Z5 Compact might just be perfect for my missus as well, she's missing Android rather a lot after moving back to the iPhone 6.
 

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The iPhone 4.7" has no OIS yet no one complains. Sony has VERY good image stabilisation, it is far better than anyone else using digital only. And considering most other makes use Sony sensors which have just had OIS added to them, then the pictures will still be good.

Well, I wasn't speaking for everyone nor did I mention the iPhone. The fact that many other OEMs use Sony sensors doesn't automatically mean the photo quality will be good as the image processing is usually the deciding factor. And I don't recall the Z line ever being considered the best smartphone camera. I also said I'm going to reserve judgement until we can see some real world reviews because you may be absolutely right. The fact that the smartphones cameras that are currently considered to be the industry best--the Galaxy S6 line, the Note 5, the G4, and the iPhone 6+ all have OIS does not fill me with confidence is all I'm saying.

And as for your 4K screen comment, so should we not have 4K televisions then? Are they stupid too? Is every single phone with a 4K camera stupid? Considering their is no point having a 4K camera without a 4k screen to view the video on...

4K screens are crazy but equally so are 4K video recording on phones, yet people want these features.

First, the comparison to a 60" television using the same resolution is irrelevant in most regards--TVs don't run on batteries and the PPI is a fraction of what it is on a 5.5" screen.

People may want 4K resolution on the video but the benefits are realized when they watch on a 4K monitor or TV, not on their phone. We cannot see the difference between that 4K video if played natively or at 2K on a 5.5" display. Nobodies complaining that their phone display resolution just isn't high enough at 2K but you know what they are complaining about? Poor battery life. So instead of improving that, let's throw an even bigger draining feature into the phone to solve a problem nobody is bitching about. That's why I say it's simply stupid.

And I'm not saying we should never have 4K resolutions on phones, just that there is so little reason to do so now, especially considering the diminishing returns and associated costs of having it (primarily power).
 

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I'd never personally buy any products by the sony brand be it phones, tvs or anything else..
 

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Well, I wasn't speaking for everyone nor did I mention the iPhone. The fact that many other OEMs use Sony sensors doesn't automatically mean the photo quality will be good as the image processing is usually the deciding factor. And I don't recall the Z line ever being considered the best smartphone camera. I also said I'm going to reserve judgement until we can see some real world reviews because you may be absolutely right. The fact that the smartphones cameras that are currently considered to be the industry best--the Galaxy S6 line, the Note 5, the G4, and the iPhone 6+ all have OIS does not fill me with confidence is all I'm saying.



First, the comparison to a 60" television using the same resolution is irrelevant in most regards--TVs don't run on batteries and the PPI is a fraction of what it is on a 5.5" screen.

People may want 4K resolution on the video but the benefits are realized when they watch on a 4K monitor or TV, not on their phone. We cannot see the difference between that 4K video if played natively or at 2K on a 5.5" display. Nobodies complaining that their phone display resolution just isn't high enough at 2K but you know what they are complaining about? Poor battery life. So instead of improving that, let's throw an even bigger draining feature into the phone to solve a problem nobody is bitching about. That's why I say it's simply stupid.

And I'm not saying we should never have 4K resolutions on phones, just that there is so little reason to do so now, especially considering the diminishing returns and associated costs of having it (primarily power).


Well you best bury your head in the sand for your sanity then because we'll have 8K phone screens in 5 ish years time. They won't stop at 4K.

Also where did I imply you were talking for everyone? Don't know why you thought that, plus I never said Sony make the best cameras, just everyone uses their sensors. Then again most of the phones that are considered to be the best DO use Sony sensors.
I have seen tests of the Z3 and it took some good stable shots. But as you said you will need to wait for reviews to know for sure.
 

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The way the operate.
Look at what the did with TVs - offered to make them for other companies cheaper than they could make them, once their factories were close down, screwed them over. What they did with HDDVD, which was a better format than BR.
 

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The way the operate.
Look at what the did with TVs - offered to make them for other companies cheaper than they could make them, once their factories were close down, screwed them over. What they did with HDDVD, which was a better format than BR.

Proof?
And what did they do with Blue Ray? It was a format war and they won, they lost to VHS before with videos. I am very glad BR won, most likely due to the PS3. But it means I have great large games on my PS4 now.
 

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Well you best bury your head in the sand for your sanity then because we'll have 8K phone screens in 5 ish years time. They won't stop at 4K.

Also where did I imply you were talking for everyone? Don't know why you thought that, plus I never said Sony make the best cameras, just everyone uses their sensors. Then again most of the phones that are considered to be the best DO use Sony sensors.
I have seen tests of the Z3 and it took some good stable shots. But as you said you will need to wait for reviews to know for sure.

Fingers crossed about the camera because as I mentioned, nearly everything else about the standard Z5 ticks my Android phone preference boxes.
 

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Proof - Zenith... which was eventual bought by LG or samsung, i don't recall which...

BR was/is worse, the reason it prevailed was the digital rights stuff which is not good for consumes but great for vendors. You couldn't do any of the cool stuff until profile 2, all standard on HDDVD and it still has the 24 fps issue. Sony wasn't/isn't the owner of BR, they are just one of the consortium. PS3 possibly did tip the balance, but i'll never own a PS device.

The picture was also not as good IMO on a few key films (encoding no doubt), however the actual winner is none, BR is quickly going to die and streaming is the actual winner. Which was always the goal of the studios - they don't want you to own or have a copy of the media.
 

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Fingers crossed about the camera because as I mentioned, nearly everything else about the standard Z5 ticks my Android phone preference boxes.

I do know what you mean, I was pretty interested in the Z3 Compact but then I saw in real world tests it was compared to the iPhone 6 4.7" and the iPhone camera was a lot better.
But with new software underneath and the new sensor, I would hope it is much better now.
 
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Proof - Zenith... which was eventual bought by LG or samsung, i don't recall which...

BR was/is worse, the reason it prevailed was the digital rights stuff which is not good for consumes but great for vendors. You couldn't do any of the cool stuff until profile 2, all standard on HDDVD and it still has the 24 fps issue. Sony wasn't/isn't the owner of BR, they are just one of the consortium. PS3 possibly did tip the balance, but i'll never own a PS device.

The picture was also not as good IMO on a few key films (encoding no doubt), however the actual winner is none, BR is quickly going to die and streaming is the actual winner. Which was always the goal of the studios - they don't want you to own or have a copy of the media.


I find it interesting you like apple products (particularly ios), because DRM and lock in is their mantra. Can only get apps through apples own store etc.. Itunes video media can only be played on certain devices. most of their products only play real nice with other apple devices. Yet you will never own a PS device?

Apple also thrashed and burned gt advanced

Apple is also pushing streaming

bit of a double standard in my book

all large corporations are douchbags, I cant think of one that isnt
 
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You folks and your compact phones. Its the premium for me purely for the screen size (which is small anyway). Am I the only one rocking a Z3 compact tablet as my second phone? Missed my Ultra but had to stop using it because of a cracked screen.

Not sure about the mirror finish on that chrome premium though. Z5 premium and Edge plus are the two on the top of my list.
 
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I find it interesting you like apple products (particularly ios), because DRM and lock in is their mantra. Can only get apps through apples own store etc.. Itunes video media can only be played on certain devices. most of their products only play real nice with other apple devices. Yet you will never own a PS device?

Apple also thrashed and burned gt advanced

Apple is also pushing streaming

bit of a double standard in my book

all large corporations are douchbags, I cant think of one that isnt

I don't like any of those things - I just posted similar on another thread.
iOS is my opinion is out of date and lagging behind, i wont use apple music after what they did to the independent artist regardless of the u-turn after Taylor Swifts letter. The apple eco system is corrupt, you should be allowed to move your purchases from brand to brand as and when you want. The purchases should also be in an independent cloud platform. IMO this is far worse than MS and the internet explorer debacle of old. Media you can get into iTunes, but thats a total dog that should be put down to save us all from its misery...

I dont know the truth about GT and most of the stuff is a little cloudy but i agree, they bullied GT and then dropped them in the trash when it wasn't going their way. Sure the fanboys wont agree..

I dont have double standards, I'm binary, its on or off and I'm not brand loyal to ANYONE.
 
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gotluck

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I don't like any of those things - I just posted similar on another thread.
iOS is my opinion is out of date and lagging behind, i wont use apple music after what they did to the independent artist regardless of the u-turn after Taylor Swifts letter. The apple eco system is corrupt, you should be allowed to move your purchases from brand to brand as and when you want. The purchases should also be in an independent cloud platform. IMO this is far worse than MS and the internet explorer debacle of old.

I dont know the truth about GT and most of the stuff is a little cloudy but i agree, they bullied GT and then dropped them in the trash when it wasn't going their way. Sure the fanboys wont agree..

I dont have double standards, I'm binary, its on or off and I'm not brand loyal to ANYONE.

You brought tears to my eyes, that was beautiful :)

Surely no double standards.
 

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You folks and your compact phones. Its the premium for me purely for the screen size (which is small anyway). Am I the only one rocking a Z3 compact tablet as my second phone? Missed my Ultra but had to stop using it because of a cracked screen.

Not sure about the mirror finish on that chrome premium though. Z5 premium and Edge plus are the two on the top of my list.

haha, I read about people using the tablet as a phone! I have the WiFi only Z3 tablet and could never use it as a phone, although it is a nice size.

Proof - Zenith... which was eventual bought by LG or samsung, i don't recall which...

BR was/is worse, the reason it prevailed was the digital rights stuff which is not good for consumes but great for vendors. You couldn't do any of the cool stuff until profile 2, all standard on HDDVD and it still has the 24 fps issue. Sony wasn't/isn't the owner of BR, they are just one of the consortium. PS3 possibly did tip the balance, but i'll never own a PS device.

The picture was also not as good IMO on a few key films (encoding no doubt), however the actual winner is none, BR is quickly going to die and streaming is the actual winner. Which was always the goal of the studios - they don't want you to own or have a copy of the media.

Zenith? Didn't even know they ever made TV's? And blame piracy for DRM, if no one stole content they wouldn't enforce it. A result of the modern world I would say. BR isn't going anywhere, neither is DVD. people still buy both formats. Netflix is used at lot now as is Amazon but people still buy DVD's as well as stream let alone BR.
BR has been fantastic for the Playstation platform, people can't download 50GB games easily still, we still have caps on usage in some countries.
As for owning content, you never have. I believe the law has always stated it is licensed to you?
 
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