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Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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What I am hoping happens is some carriers like AT&T will carry the nexus 4 and give it on contract with LTE. For that I would be willing to move on it and give it the deal were they are completely hands off on the updates. I do not mind waiting an extra week or 2 for the update but not how long it took verizon GN to get jelly bean.
 

Gnomepatrol

macrumors member
Dec 22, 2011
68
0
Metro East Area
No contract at that price? Really nice, honestly LTE isn't much of a concern until they improve battery life in regards to power draw of the radios and they have coverage that closely matches that of 3g.

To me this is a great deal.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
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Mar 29, 2011
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No contract at that price? Really nice, honestly LTE isn't much of a concern until they improve battery life in regards to power draw of the radios and they have coverage that closely matches that of 3g.

To me this is a great deal.

Instead of LTE, you get 15.3 hours of talk and 330 hours of standby with the Nexus 4.

:)

And it's not like HSPA+ is slow.
 

3bs

macrumors 603
May 20, 2011
5,434
24
Dublin, Ireland
I wonder what happened to the Gmail app update. I had the leak last week when I was on a different ROM but I'm just gonna wait for the official release now.
 

PDFierro

macrumors 68040
Sep 8, 2009
3,932
111
I see that T-Mobile has finally added a Micro SIM option on their website. I remember when looking at the Galaxy Nexus, they did not sell a Micro SIM through their website.

I was going to say, it would be smart for them to add it to make things easy for soon-to-be Nexus 4 owners.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
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Mar 29, 2011
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I see that T-Mobile has finally added a Micro SIM option on their website. I remember when looking at the Galaxy Nexus, they did not sell a Micro SIM through their website.

I was going to say, it would be smart for them to add it to make things easy for soon-to-be Nexus 4 owners.

Plus it is coming to Tmobile officially for $199. I wonder if that's for the 16GB version. It must be.
 

3bs

macrumors 603
May 20, 2011
5,434
24
Dublin, Ireland
I don't know if anything is going to come out of this but I'm going to get in touch with my old neighbours who work for Google. I'm dying to find out when the Nexus 4 will be available in Ireland and I remember they got the Galaxy Nexus for free. I also want to know if it's true that all Nexus 4's will be unlocked.
 

PDFierro

macrumors 68040
Sep 8, 2009
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Plus it is coming to Tmobile officially for $199. I wonder if that's for the 16GB version. It must be.

It is for the 16GB version. But who would sign into a 2-year contract when you can get the phone from the Google Play store for only $150 more? I think I read that T-Mobile is going to charge 500 or 600 to buy it off-contract.

You will get HSPA+ 42 regardless of what version you buy. I see no point in buying the T-Mobile version, even if you are cash strapped. Most people will want to go the prepaid route anyway.

Still, I think it's excellent that the Micro SIM option is now there. Both for iPhone owners as well as Nexus. I only went to check because I figured T-Mobile would be smart enough to start offering it. They should make things easy for new subscribers, and they are.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
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Mar 29, 2011
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It is for the 16GB version. But who would sign into a 2-year contract when you can get the phone from the Google Play store for only $150 more? I think I read that T-Mobile is going to charge 500 or 600 to buy it off-contract.


Seriously? ... I really don't get the reasoning behind that other than to take advantage of uninformed customers.

Google should just buy Tmobile. Heh. Joking aside, would that even be possible?
 

PDFierro

macrumors 68040
Sep 8, 2009
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Seriously? ... I really don't get the reasoning behind that other than to take advantage of uninformed customers.

Google should just buy Tmobile. Heh. Joking aside, would that even be possible?

Yes. You thought $199 was a no strings attached price? I think for whatever reason, carriers feel like they are entitled to charge at least 499 for off-contract phones. This is another thing Google has to overcome besides LTE, as they are offering their phones unlocked for cheap, but then carries will charge 500-700 for it. I'm not sure carriers would allow to sell a Nexus for 100-200 but then only charge 300-400 off-contract.

Oh, I have a question for you that I've researched before but forgot the answer to. If I go over my 100 minutes on the $30 a month plan, do I have to have already put funds into the account in order to get that? Or can they just charge my credit card that's on file for the extra minutes? I know it's only 10 cents a minute after that, but what do I have to do? If I don't add money to the account, will I not be able to make calls? It would be nice and convenient if T-Mobile just charged my card, but I'm thinking I would have to have added money to the account previously.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
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Mar 29, 2011
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Yes. You thought $199 was a no strings attached price? I think for whatever reason, carriers feel like they are entitled to charge at least 499 for off-contract phones. This is another thing Google has to overcome besides LTE, as they are offering their phones unlocked for cheap, but then carries will charge 500-700 for it. I'm not sure carriers would allow to sell a Nexus for 100-200 but then only charge 300-400 off-contract.

Oh, I have a question for you that I've researched before but forgot the answer to. If I go over my 100 minutes on the $30 a month plan, do I have to have already put funds into the account in order to get that? Or can they just charge my credit card that's on file for the extra minutes? I know it's only 10 cents a minute after that, but what do I have to do? If I don't add money to the account, will I not be able to make calls? It would be nice and convenient if T-Mobile just charged my card, but I'm thinking I would have to have added money to the account previously.

If you're talking about prepaid, I'm not positive, but my understanding is you have to pay and add the minutes first to use them. Might want to check with Tmobile regarding what happens when you run out. It'll probably just hang up on you or prompt you to add more minutes to your account.

If you mean post-paid... then yea, they'll just charge you whatever additional minutes you use. If it's 10 cents per minute overage, then that'll show up on your bill at the end of the billing cycle. Probably best not to go over with post-paid bills. Overages can be pretty pricey.

I'm not 100% on all things Tmobile, so I'd double check both answers. Hope that helps.
 

rrl

macrumors 6502a
Jul 27, 2009
512
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First, let me preface this by saying I'm looking at this from the US consumer's perspective.

I'm sorry but I think you are giving the general buying public far too much credit. Most people don't care about stock Android, how easy it is to update, rooting, unlocking, or flashing ROMs. They're not breaking down every little spec and comparing it to every other device on the market. They care about the price, bottom line and while this is a great price for an unlocked device, it's still significantly more expensive than nearly all subsidized smartphones. People go into a carrier's store, see a device listed as 'free' or $99 and it's got a big screen and says Android or it's an iPhone and it's only $199 for the same 16 GB and they're not going to buy this. 'But it's such a great price for an unlocked phone,' and their response is 'Why do I need an unlocked phone?' They don't care if they're signing a new 2 year contract because they're getting their $99 or free phone. The value of an unlocked device in the US is far less than overseas. We don't pay a reduced monthly bill if we purchase an unsubsidized phone--same cost either way.

The vast majority of US consumers aren't on these forums analyzing the hell out of every device that's released. The first 3 Nexus phones weren't big sellers and hate to break it to you but, this one isn't going to be a blockbuster either. Google isn't marketing it that way, else you'd see it available subsidized on every carrier.

Nice story, bro. But believe it or not, plenty of people ask us geeks what they should buy. And every year Google is making it easier and easier for us to steer them away from expensive contracts. As dumb as you think Americans are, it isn't that difficult to get them to understand how much money they can save in those same two years by being off-contract with an unlocked $300 smart phone. I will give you this, though: They certainly don't know enough to care about LTE.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
Is this a good upgrade from a 4S? Thinking about trying out Android but don't want to extend my contract or pay a huge amount. Also no much of a hoarder so I expect 8GB will be fine for me.
 

Loves2spoon

macrumors 65816
Jun 3, 2010
1,081
34
California
Is this a good upgrade from a 4S? Thinking about trying out Android but don't want to extend my contract or pay a huge amount. Also no much of a hoarder so I expect 8GB will be fine for me.

I would say yes! Keep your 4S so you can play all your games or iOS apps. Get the nexus phone to use as your daily phone! I can't wait to put down my iPhone 5 for this baby!
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
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Mar 29, 2011
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Is this a good upgrade from a 4S? Thinking about trying out Android but don't want to extend my contract or pay a huge amount. Also no much of a hoarder so I expect 8GB will be fine for me.

... that all sounds perfect for the Nexus 4. lol.

What carrier are you on? The unlocked is for GSM carriers only.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
I would say yes! Keep your 4S so you can play all your games or iOS apps. Get the nexus phone to use as your daily phone! I can't wait to put down my iPhone 5 for this baby!

The only thing I am not certain about is storage. Can't decide to go with 8 or 16GB. Leaning towards 8 for price reasons. What are you thinking?

... that all sounds perfect for the Nexus 4. lol.

What carrier are you on? The unlocked is for GSM carriers only.

I am currently on AT&T. How easily will it be to get the Nexus 4 working? Just a simple SIM swap?
 

3bs

macrumors 603
May 20, 2011
5,434
24
Dublin, Ireland
The only thing I am not certain about is storage. Can't decide to go with 8 or 16GB. Leaning towards 8 for price reasons. What are you thinking?

I say go for 16GB even though you described yourself as not being a hoarder. The question is how much is actually user accessible. You'll be able to do more with an Android phone then with iPhones so you'll probably need the extra space and the price difference is worth it IMO.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
I say go for 16GB even though you described yourself as not being a hoarder. The question is how much is actually user accessible. You'll be able to do more with an Android phone then with iPhones so you'll probably need the extra space and the price difference is worth it IMO.

Do you mind giving some examples of things that would take up more storage? And I'm not a heavy gamer. If I play a game, it will be on my iPad.

Should be.

So I won't need to call AT&T to switch phones for the week or anything like that? Because someone told me I would.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
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Mar 29, 2011
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Do you mind giving some examples of things that would take up more storage? And I'm not a heavy gamer. If I play a game, it will be on my iPad.



So I won't need to call AT&T to switch phones for the week or anything like that? Because someone told me I would.


I'm not positive. I don't think it would hurt to let them know. My friend had an unlocked phone and just put his ATT sim in and it started working.

Regarding storage... the Nexus 7 8GB had about 6.5-ish gigs left after the OS. Might be similar with the Nexus 4.
 

3bs

macrumors 603
May 20, 2011
5,434
24
Dublin, Ireland
Do you mind giving some examples of things that would take up more storage? And I'm not a heavy gamer. If I play a game, it will be on my iPad.



So I won't need to call AT&T to switch phones for the week or anything like that? Because someone told me I would.

If you plan on rooting your phone and flashing ROM's then you'll want to make backups and those take space for example. I'm drawing blanks and can't think of anything else at the moment (probably because it's 5.30am :p)

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Regarding storage... the Nexus 7 8GB had about 6.5-ish gigs left after the OS. Might be similar with the Nexus 4.

I just checked my Nexus 7 and Total Space is quoted as 13.24GB. I'm running a custom ROM so I'm not sure if that has any effect on it or not.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
If you plan on rooting your phone and flashing ROM's then you'll want to make backups and those take space for example. I'm drawing blanks and can't think of anything else at the moment (probably because it's 5.30am :p)

Rooting really isn't the reason I am getting this, so I don't consider space for that to be crucial. Also, I do all my music and movies through plex, so no need for local storage. And all my essential apps on iOS account to 1.5 GB. Thinking about it, I don't really need the 16GB. But maybe I am just talking like this to talk myself into saving an extra $50 ;)
 
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