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nMP 12 Core gets a good clock cleaning from cMP

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paulrbeers said:
Because there are Apple certified repair shops selling parts "out the back door" (and sometimes "out the front door" as well) because there is demand. There's a thread right here that the decussion was about the dual CPU tray and one user was cutting another user a deal for just above cost.

If buyers are willing, someone will sell for a profit. Human nature. Psychology 101.... (why else would we have people being sold into slavery, people being killed over precious metals, etc. etc. = Profit).
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I agree that there will be some sort of availability through these backdoor channels, but it's not going to be nearly as simple as it was in the past where you could just go to a site like newegg and order it then and there. Not to mention that the process to swap these out is significantly more complicated. I imagine the demand with this time around will be much less.


beaker7 said:
Of course I know the difference. I'm just trying to encourage people to articulate themselves clearly by feigning misunderstanding.

Saying it is "actually faster" and then a paragraph later saying it is "comparable" is incredibly poor writing.
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Eh, I'll just disagree. Thought it was quite clear.
 
beaker7 said:
Of course I know the difference. I'm just trying to encourage people to articulate themselves clearly by feigning misunderstanding.

Saying it is "actually faster" and then a paragraph later saying it is "comparable" is incredibly poor writing.
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The word 'actually' means 'in truth', it does not represent an order of magnitude.

I never said 'much faster' I just said 'actually faster'. I used the word 'actually' because I was correcting the person who stated that the dual 3.46GHz chips in the oMP were superior. I even quoted that specific post. I then went on to explain that even though it was faster, the difference was not massive.

Things do not have to be 100% equal in order to be comparable. The nMP's CPU is definitely faster, but it's speed is close enough to the oMPs with upgrades that the two can be compared to each other.

I hardly feel that this discussion is helping the thread. I don't think my statements were incorrect or unclear.
 
MacVidCards said:
Why is this so hard to understand?

A 2009 machine that had the ability to be upgraded BEAT a 2013/4 machine that is stuck forever with what it has. The nMP is stuck, no more CPUs or GPUs or PCIE SSDs coming to make it faster. Done. Or do you think bog slow TB2 is going to let you speed it up?

It's older brother beats it already, and more and faster parts are still coming for it.

Going to get even more embarrassing.
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But a "clock cleaning" implies a serious beat down in terms of performance (in this case). The older MP only beat the nMP by a very small margin. Sure, it's old, but not sure why age would factor in in the description of how badly the nMP was beaten by other than you wanted to exaggerate the results to draw attention to your "epic" post. Far too much hyperbole nowadays...
 
beaker7 said:
Saying it is "actually faster" and then a paragraph later saying it is "comparable" is incredibly poor writing.
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No, it's not poor writing. You're just taking it too literally.

A Corvette is faster than a Honda Civic but the performance gap is too huge for them to be comparable.

A Viper TA is quicker than a Corvette around Laguna Seca but their times are comparable. Do you understand the difference? Or are you only able to read 1s and 0s?
 
Yahooligan said:
No, it's not poor writing. You're just taking it too literally.

A Corvette is faster than a Honda Civic but the performance gap is too huge for them to be comparable.

A Viper TA is quicker than a Corvette around Laguna Seca but their times are comparable. Do you understand the difference? Or are you only able to read 1s and 0s?
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Oh goody some car analogies.
 
mcnallym said:
That is interesting that you say the CPU in the nMP is slower then the 3.46GHz Dual CPU's in a cMP.

http://www.barefeats.com/tube01.html

would disagree

From the original article as well

The 2013 Mac Pro 12-core is faster in the two CPU intensive tests like the Resolve export and FCPX export. The 2010 Mac Pro edged it out in five of the six tests that stressed both CPU and GPU such as Resolve playback and FCPX video effects rendering.
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http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test...tests-und-Speicher-Benchmarks--Cinebench.html

nMP 12 Core: 1570
cMP 12 Core 3,33: 1563

So i can say the cMP is faster if all cores are used, but nMP is faster in single CPU actions.

Does anyone have a 3,46 to post the C4D 15 score.
 
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TzunamiOSX said:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test...tests-und-Speicher-Benchmarks--Cinebench.html

nMP 12 Core: 1570
cMP 12 Core 3,33: 1563

So i can say the cMP is faster if all cores are used, but nMP is faster in single CPU actions.

Does anyone have a 3,46 to post the C4D 15 score.
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Prince134 said:
Me.
cMP 12 core 3,46: 1628
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So how come the bare feats article shows that the nMP is quicker at CPU intensive tests that they run.

Or is that when you said that the CPU's were faster in the cMP you meant under certain circumstances?

We both can link to articles showing that the nMP or cMP is quicker at CPU intensive tests.
 
paulrbeers said:
No it actually isn't..... The 3.46ghz CPU's were released in 2011 and the GPU's were released in 2012. The only thing released 5+ years ago is the motherboard.
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They're still using the Nehalem/Westmere architecture, which is ancient.
 
Asgorath said:
They're still using the Nehalem/Westmere architecture, which is ancient.
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Well, to be fair, it's not really that ancient. What's in the nMP is only one architectural generation newer (Nehalem/Westmere -> Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge). Put it this way...once the next-gen nMP comes out with Haswell-EP, our current nMPs will be just as ancient as the cMP is now.
 
mcnallym said:
So how come the bare feats article shows that the nMP is quicker at CPU intensive tests that they run.

Or is that when you said that the CPU's were faster in the cMP you meant under certain circumstances?

We both can link to articles showing that the nMP or cMP is quicker at CPU intensive tests.
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Most Apps dont use all cores at 100%, C4D use near 100% of all cores.
 
Who gives a rats rear end who beats who. Use what is best for you. Can't beleive this thread has this many replies. When it flies, wake me up. I might be impressed. Until then, I will enjoy my dual X5670 PC I built cheaper than the westmere mac pro.
 
slughead said:
I think in light of the 290x drivers now being included with OS X 10.10, it's time to have a rematch.

I'll admit I was wrong, I was not expecting the 290x to have driver support "any time soon." Perhaps Apple is planning on releasing a hawaii-based graphics option in one of its computers?
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Obviously in the next Mac Pro update, if they continue with AMD, they'll have to release it with a Hawaii Fire Pro.
 
tuxon86 said:
Tough luck for those who bought theirs with 2 year old gpus... :p
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While technically true, the FirePro 300 based on the 7870 is still being sold as the 270x, FirePro 500 is the 7950 which is being sold as the 280 and the FirePro 700 is the 7970 which is also the 280x.

Anyone buying anything "current" in the RX series from 260-280x range are all buying re-badged 2 year old GPU's. So basically AMD's entire line with the exception of the 290's are all two year old GPU's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_200_Series
 
paulrbeers said:
While technically true, the FirePro 300 based on the 7870 is still being sold as the 270x, FirePro 500 is the 7950 which is being sold as the 280 and the FirePro 700 is the 7970 which is also the 280x.

Anyone buying anything "current" in the RX series from 260-280x range are all buying re-badged 2 year old GPU's. So basically AMD's entire line with the exception of the 290's are all two year old GPU's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_200_Series
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Exactly! This whole "two-year-old-GPU" meme has really run its course. :rolleyes:
 
tuxon86 said:
Tough luck for those who bought theirs with 2 year old gpus... :p
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When Apple ships the next gen Mac Pro's, those Hawaii GPU's will be 2 years old as well, most probably. It's just misalignment of Intel's and AMD's release cycles.
 
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