Yeah, no kidding. The Thunderbolt speeds on that cMP were really solid too! Oh wait.
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Yeah, no kidding. The Thunderbolt speeds on that cMP were really solid too! Oh wait.
Why would it be fair to cherry-pick the two or three apps optimized for the Tube's OpenCL?
You pick some significant apps and time them. Some will do well with the radical architecture change of the Tube, some won't.
But Intel's new dual socket systems are much faster than the older ones.... Apple dropped the second socket, and roughly halved the potential of the system. Apple also halved the number of PCIe 3.0 lanes, and reduced the number of DIMM slots six-fold. Intel didn't do that - Apple did.
You can get 80 x64 cores - http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/proliant-servers/product-detail.html?oid=4231377#!tab=features . (And its top RAM size is 4 times the max size of the disk storage on the Tube.)
But in some sense T-Bolt is a solution to a problem that the cheese grater doesn't have.
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But T-Bolt is the solution to a million problems the cheese grater already has and will have as manufacturers stop dealing with PCI-E cards.
lol
(but i guess that shows what i was saying about it costing more to buy cpu power than it does to pay a renderer to watch previews for an hour a day on a 12core)
Please, do tell us about the imminent death of PCIe....
And, BTW, what bus are the T-Bolt controllers and the Radeons on the Tube connected to?
Please, do tell us about the imminent death of PCIe....
And, BTW, what bus are the T-Bolt controllers and the Radeons on the Tube connected to?
None of the dozen high end clients I work for use PCIe, that includes Hollywood and NYC. They all use Thunderbolt, Sorry to burst your bubble, just the nature of things.
How does that translate to "as manufacturers stop dealing with PCI-E cards"?
Could your bubble be "Hollywood and NYC"?
ps: Since T-Bolt is PCIe - they're all using PCIe.
Because some of the high end people who buy computers have stopped buying the ones with PCI-e slots? Look at the trends of Sonnet, CalDigit, Pegasus, AJA, BlackMagic, etc. They are leaving PCI-E behind and moving to Thunderbolt 2.0 and then 3.0. And I'm not in a bubble. The Mac Pros are squarely aimed at the clients I contract with.
As in, "your bubble".
Obviously - few people buying Tubes are buying PCIe cards for them (except for the Radeons). Doesn't mean that PCIe is in trouble.
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Read again. My bubble contains the primary consumer of the new Mac Pro. Thanks for playing.
Tell me 5 of this million PCIe problems that will be fixed by this "T-Bolt solution"
T-bolt brings more problem than solutions. No working OSX driver for a TB GPU ist an example.
I hope for Apple's sake they have more consumers for the Mac Pro than your 12 clients.
You mean the ones I deal with every day? One cable to connect a RAID, one cable to connect an AV box, one cable to connect 7 other devices that would need to be plugged into 7 different ports on my primary rig? Yes, Thunderbolt is world better than PCI-E, based on personal experience. You may not agree, but I have experience you do not.
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My clients spend a few million a year on equipment and storage. And I only deal with who I deal with. There are hundreds more out there to fill out their bottom line. Hate all you want on Thunderbolt, but in my industry, it works and we use it as it was intended, and plan to do so for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean you have to like it.
You guys remind me of the old timers that swore by SCSI back in the day. Held onto it until they were prehistoric without embracing the new tech. Sad really.
Cables? this is a solution for what?
USB, Fiberchannel or Firewire also has cabels.
i dont see my 5 solutions of your millions
Soldier: My daddy was in maintenance and he had a saying, he used to say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Much better:
My daddy always said, "When you want to insert a nail into a piece of wood, don't do anything fancy or glamorous. Just take the damn hammer and hit the son of a bitch until it's in."
No one's doubting you and your clients use it. It's just completely anecdotal and has no bearing on overall adoption rate. I've yet to see any of my clients or employers use Thunderbolt and they also spend millions annually on equipment. See how that works?
But PCIe is up to 128 Gb per connection - what's broken?
I just ordered another dozen ProLiants.
Each has
- 2 * 16 Gbps Fibre Channel
- 2 * 10 Gbps Ethernet (SFP+)
- 4 * PCIe 3.0 x16 empty slots
- 1 * PCIe 3.0 x8 empty slot
- dual sockets for up to 24 physical cores
- 24 DIMM slots for up to 768 GiB of RAM
- support for four PCIe 3.0 x16 GPUs
- dual 10 GbE NICs on the mobo
- PCIe 3.0 x8 slots for FC, Infiniband,....
That's the question that those of us buying the "Box" have already answered.
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Maybe, but they're the networks, production houses, and studios that the MacPro is designed for (or at least who people around here presume it's for). Apple simply isn't dominant in the entertainment industry anymore. So unless Thunderbolt gains more traction on the PC side, then Apple alone isn't going to drive widespread adoption.
Yep. Not sure how folks can argue this point. Apple lost their domination in the field years ago with boneheaded decisions, mostly hardware decisions that made zero sense. Lord Jobs was sure he knew what was best for the industry, period.
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Oh, please.
I've worked for Apple for 20 years, have worked on 15 blockbuster movies, etc etc etc. See, I can do it, too!
So they actually lost their domination in that market while cMP was at its glory. That's a good clarification, since most people here will make you believe nMP will bring the end of the world as we know it.
Of course the nMP will bring the end of the world!
What do you think the "n" stands for? Nuclear! It even looks like a small bomb!
It has caused the drought in California and all the problems of the world!
Get rid of the nMP and save the planet!
What do you think the "n" stands for? Nuclear! It even looks like a small bomb!
It has caused the drought in California and all the problems of the world!
Get rid of the nMP and save the planet!
They've been on a slow decline. Nothing happens overnight, really. Check out HP's site right now. They have an entire section for people upset with the new Mac Pro, and they are spot on. If you want REAL power and expand-ability, you go HP. FFS, the new Mac Pro is SINGLE SOCKET!!! Really?? Single socket?? Good job, Cupertino.....
They've been on a slow decline. Nothing happens overnight, really. Check out HP's site right now. They have an entire section for people upset with the new Mac Pro, and they are spot on. If you want REAL power and expand-ability, you go HP. FFS, the new Mac Pro is SINGLE SOCKET!!! Really?? Single socket?? Good job, Cupertino.....
A link provided here is always a good read. Thanks in advance!
I've worked in television post production environments for a long time (i.e. when I started Nat Geo TV was still cutting on Steenbecks). I don't think thunderbolt has taken over the post environment at all yet. Small shops, probably, individual production workflows, possibly. But not to the extent cMP are put out of business.
My friend is VFX editor on a HUGE vfx driven summer block at the moment, with work on two continents, and t-bolt is not relevant to that post environment either. And at his desk, he's on a cMP
These large scale multiple editor environments like the BBC, post houses, feature films depend on large scale shared storage, networked in other ways, like fibre channel, ethernet, etc.
Don't get me wrong, TB is a great technology that I got very excited by when announced. As a one man band freelance now, I love that I can work laptop to tb RAID on shoot/edits at a high enough i/o speed. These are single editor projects.
But as a freelance cheapskate, I have had a good look over the last few months at this issue, realised that the cMP could make the transition up to 4K world, and gone down this exact path. Rather than buy the new nCP, I am building a 3.47ghz 12-core.
The costs for me so far are 1200 for base machine, 600 for CPU, and I'll have to lay out another 5-700 for GPU I guess. I'm happy with this machine coming in close to a third to a half of the cost of the 12 core nMP
The i/o speeds of the internal storage configuration can get up to 2g, at a HUGe cost savings to the equivalent t-bolt, plus the variations on GPU options, means this is a good choice for the next few years.
BTW, this thread seems to be almost troll bait. I don't know why everyone gets so invested in some weird debate here. I just find it interesting to learn what has changed in the MP and what hasn't. What is possible with a cMP, and what isn't. You seem to have dug in your heels, maybe you should just go for a walk and get a coffee
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