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I bought 2x of the Seagate Backup Plus 3TB USB3 drives at Sam's Club for $98/each. Then I bought 2x of the Seagate Thunderbolt Desktop adapters for $150/each from Amazon. Plus a couple of Apple Thunderbolt cables.

I set it up as 3TB (software) mirrored in Mavericks. It's not the most cost-effective solution, and it's not any faster than USB3, but it also allows me to drive both an Apple LED Cinema Display & Apple Thunderbolt Display off my Mini. It also frees up a couple USB3 ports.
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So you spent ~$500? Why not just get the WD ThunderBolt Duo 6 TB for $549 from Apple and run it in RAID 1? It seems like a more elegant solution.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/HB863ZM/A/wd-6tb-my-book-thunderbolt-duo-dual-drive-storage-system

Or the Lacie 2Big 6TB for the same price?

http://store.apple.com/us/product/H...g-thunderbolt-series-raid-hard-drive?fnode=5f

Even in RAID 1 I get amazing speeds out of the Lacie.

And you could also use your monitor set up.
 
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Why not just get the

I might have, if I was starting from scratch. Started with the drives on USB3, then added the single $150 Thunderbolt Desktop Adapter to drive the mini-DisplayPort Display, then moved the 2nd USB3 drive to Thunderbolt as the mirror split between Thunderbolt & USB3 was slower than having both on a single buss.

I'm not sure those WD and LaCie drives were priced as competitively back then either. And I recall a LOT of complaints about the fans in those chassis. These individual drives in the Desktop Adapter don't have fans (for better or worse).

 
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I had a good time reading everyone's thoughts on the Mac Mini Pro and how to handle external storage. I toss in my thoughts here too if I may -

Some of us fall into the camp of not being a major fan of Drobo. I'll just say that I'd rather have this item instead or similar - Areca Arc 8050. Barefeats has a nice review here - http://barefeats.com/hard167.html

DAS and NAS - I have both and they are purposed very differently. If one is going to throw a couple of coins out for the Mac Mini Pro, they should put careful consideration on what they are doing and how to avoid bottlenecks and at the same time hopefully be able to exploit any drives (internal and external) that they have already or be ready to populate with new drives (electro-mechanical or SSD).

Staying a bit green on DAS. This is a tough one. You buy a largish item like the Drobo or Areca and all drives are ready to go along with some power consumption. People who have USB 3 external drives might fair well for non speed intensive work. - Again, there are considerations for utility and how much electricity you are ready to pay for to get the Mac Mini Pro where you want it for whatever you use it for.

As far as TB1 vs TB2, if one goes with some DAS RAID set up with 3 or more drives, TB2 might be a better fit if you hang other devices on the TB line. TB1 is great for single drives, SSD singles, monitors and the like. This is just an opinion based on reading various discussions on the value of TB in general.

In a kinder world, someone would make a hybrid enclosure that was both NAS and DAS. Ethernet NAS with direct TB connection. This would solve a lot of issues. Then again, long long long ago on a couple of NAS forums, I had a wish for iSCSI and 2 years later, its become a regular item though not very well implemented.

Items I might add to a Mac Mini Pro set up -
The fore-mentioned Areca for RAID type business.
Firmtek's USB3 2.5 inch enclosure with SSD (fastest enclosure in its class)
NAS (QNAP, Synology, Thecus, etc..take your pick)
SSD - Samsung Evo and Pro lines
Electro-mechanical drives - again take your pick based on how it will be used but for NAS I might venture to remain with either enterprise level or the prosumer WD Reds and "VN" Seagates.

To be candid, I am not sure the Mac Mini Pro is for me for two reasons beyond cost - the graphics dual set up at present has little value to most, the way Apple populates RAM is just plain wrong and as a "pro" machine why does the base start with 256 SSD which is today, rather pathetic. Since I have voiced this negative my hope would have been for single GPU, base RAM 2x8 = 16 populated, 500 gig SSD and all for the same price as what they are offering now for the base model. This would be more in line for pro work.

For now, I'll wait for the new Mac Mini and see what it has to offer. The Mac Mini Pro for many will be a great machine but have facets that wont truly be exploited (dual gpu comes to mind) unless Apple's OSX has some trick up it's sleeve to further exploit the chips of the GPU and re-purpose them when not doing "dual" work.

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Firmtek's USB3 2.5 inch enclosure with SSD (fastest enclosure in its class)

How would garbage collection work on an external SSD via USB 3.0 like this? AFAIK, OSX & TRIM only work on internal SSDs (via SATA). Thanks.
 
surprised more people aren't looking at these things

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http://www.tekserve.com/store/netwo...ireless-routers-1/apple-time-capsule-2tb.html

that wifi is plenty fast enough for typical data moving operations and general small networks/environments as well (better than my current fw800/flash drives/external drives/etc. frankenstein setup for moving files between computers)
dunno, i just think the acwifi should be viewed as a viable alternative to thunderbolt in a few different scenarios. (for instance, i think it should work just fine for ip network rendering instead of physical links)


plus it has a drive of it's own for backup (i'm not positive it can be used as a regular drive but i assume so?).. then a usb which you could put more drives on if you choose.. in the closet even.

anyway.. to answer the thread question.. 3tb time capsule + working files on the cloud & laptop
 
How would garbage collection work on an external SSD via USB 3.0 like this? AFAIK, OSX & TRIM only work on internal SSDs (via SATA). Thanks.

You might consider a script to enable TRIM. You might also consider OWC's SSD that they suggest doesn't require TRIM. You may also want to look at "Trim Enabler" a useful tool that does similar to applying a script for 3rd party SSD.
 
surprised more people aren't looking at these things

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http://www.tekserve.com/store/netwo...ireless-routers-1/apple-time-capsule-2tb.html

that wifi is plenty fast enough for typical data moving operations and general small networks/environments as well (better than my current fw800/flash drives/external drives/etc. frankenstein setup for moving files between computers)
dunno, i just think the acwifi should be viewed as a viable alternative to thunderbolt in a few different scenarios. (for instance, i think it should work just fine for ip network rendering instead of physical links)


plus it has a drive of it's own for backup (i'm not positive it can be used as a regular drive but i assume so?).. then a usb which you could put more drives on if you choose.. in the closet even.

anyway.. to answer the thread question.. 3tb time capsule + working files on the cloud & laptop
The wifi is quite fast. The SATA controller on the time capsule unfortunately is not.
 
The wifi is quite fast. The SATA controller on the time capsule unfortunately is not.

right, but with the way it would be used, the speed wouldn't really be a big deal.. i'm generally not waiting on file transfers.. move them at the right points in the workflow and it happens in the background anyway.. productivity wise, 1sec transfer wouldn't be any different than 1min transfer.

the ac speed, at least in my case, would really become noticeable and helpful when using aIrdrop etc.. basically the times when you're on the way out the door prior to realizing you need a file on your laptop.. fast transfers would be good in that case. (amongst others)
 
The wifi is quite fast. The SATA controller on the time capsule unfortunately is not.

Agreed. I have one of these TCs, and its great for backups but that's about it.

EDIT: One thing Apple could do to radically improve the value of these TC products, is to cache updates for iOS and OS X on them... so for multi-device/Mac households, you're not downloading the same updates numerous times.
 
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Lets try to keep this on topic about the new MacPro's external storage.
 
I'm not sure those WD and LaCie drives were priced as competitively back then either. And I recall a LOT of complaints about the fans in those chassis. These individual drives in the Desktop Adapter don't have fans (for better or worse).
I think that the WD is fanless. User reviews on Amazon indicate that it is very quiet. It uses the Green drives, however.
 
If I bite for a nMac Pro, the Drobo Mini, although a little on the pricey side, looks like it would be a good unit for moving from 2.5 7200RPM SATA to SSD drives as prices drop. It also looks cool and matches the form factor of the nMac Pro.
 
raid suggestion

currently im using a 4tb thunderbolt drive configured in RAID 1
when i open the library in aperture its getting painfully slow on my macbook pro so im looking at ways to speed it up as well as having easily expandable storage space. without buying a new macbook.
im looking at the pegasas 4,the drobo 5d and the lacie systems
i want at least 4tb of space.
something faster than what i have now (probably raid 5 or 10 since i want some fault tolerance)

currently im running aperture on a 17" macbook pro
2.2 ghz i7
16gb of ram

ive heard mixed reviews about the drobo but dont have any real experience.
and i really dont know the advantages/disadvantages of RAID 10 vs RAID 5
 
currently im using a 4tb thunderbolt drive configured in RAID 1
when i open the library in aperture its getting painfully slow on my macbook pro so im looking at ways to speed it up as well as having easily expandable storage space. without buying a new macbook.
im looking at the pegasas 4,the drobo 5d and the lacie systems
i want at least 4tb of space.
something faster than what i have now (probably raid 5 or 10 since i want some fault tolerance)

currently im running aperture on a 17" macbook pro
2.2 ghz i7
16gb of ram

ive heard mixed reviews about the drobo but dont have any real experience.
and i really dont know the advantages/disadvantages of RAID 10 vs RAID 5

Why do you need fault tolerance? That's generally for business continuity so that companies or servers can keep running in the event of a drive failure. It generally has little to no benefit for a single home or even pro user.

A better choice would be RAID0 for performance with a decent backup strategy (maybe your existing 4TB can do that job). Have a look at the WD Thunderbolt Duo products... great value if you're buying new drives anyway.
 
Why do you need fault tolerance? That's generally for business continuity so that companies or servers can keep running in the event of a drive failure. It generally has little to no benefit for a single home or even pro user.

A better choice would be RAID0 for performance with a decent backup strategy (maybe your existing 4TB can do that job). Have a look at the WD Thunderbolt Duo products... great value if you're buying new drives anyway.

never really thought about it. i am very anal about backups. I had heard that RAID 0 was asking for trouble thats why my current drive is RAID 1
im not really that familiar with RAID as a whole.
 
never really thought about it. i am very anal about backups. I had heard that RAID 0 was asking for trouble thats why my current drive is RAID 1
im not really that familiar with RAID as a whole.

I see, well, books have been written on this subject, so you might want to do some reading, but here's the skinny (in my humble opinion)...

Note that all of these require some kind of backup strategy. Ideally, an offsite backup should be factored into your strategy for precious or critical data.

RAID0 - The only RAID suitable for home/pro use - offers added performance with very little risk.

RAID1 - Sounds good, but is actually a poor backup scheme since it doesn't help in situations where the PSU or enclosure fries your drives which is probably more likely than a single drive failure.

RAID5/6 - No use anymore. Parity RAID is slow and prone to fail during the long rebuilding time required in the event of a drive failure in large arrays of 10TB or more. RAID6 is better than 5 but it still has no place in SOHO or Home environments.

RAID10/50/60 - Used in IT environments where business continuity is critical. The cost of these solutions is high. Totally unnecessary in single-user situations.
 
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I see, well, books have been written on this subject, so you might want to do some reading, but here's the skinny (in my humble opinion)...

Note that all of these require some kind of backup strategy. Ideally, an offsite backup should be factored into your strategy for precious or critical data.

RAID0 - The only RAID suitable for home/pro use - offers added performance with very little risk.

RAID1 - Sounds good, but is actually a poor backup scheme since it doesn't help in situations where the PSU or enclosure fries your drives which is probably more likely than a single drive failure.

RAID5/6 - No use anymore. Parity RAID is slow and prone to fail during the long rebuilding time required in the event of a drive failure in large arrays of 10TB or more. RAID6 is better than 5 but it still has no place in SOHO or Home environments.

RAID10/50/60 - Used in IT environments where business continuity is critical. The cost of these solutions is high. Totally unnecessary in single-user situations.
I respectfully disagree with RAID 5/6 being useless for small business owners. RAID 6 has saved me three times now, by allowing me to continue to edit videos during a drive failure. All three instances of failed drives were replaced under warranty via RMA from Western Digital without interruption of my work, which would not have been possible using RAID 0.

Under RAID 0, I'd have had to stop working, rebuild my 8-disk RAID into a 7-disk RAID, reload all my data (usually about 6TB) from the last backup, and then go back to work. Sure, rebuilding a RAID 0 takes a few seconds, but reloading that data takes hours.

Using RAID 6, I just silenced the warning alarm from the Areca card and kept working on my extremely tight-deadline jobs with no noticable difference in performance. At my convenience, I submitted the advance RMA to WD, who sent me a new drive right away, thanks to their wonderful 5-year warranty. When it arrived, I swapped the bad with the good and shipped the bad back in the same box. I lost zero hours of work time that way.

Having RAID 6 also saved me from myself when I once pulled the wrong drive during a failure. Had I used RAID 5, the second fault would have lost the data and required reloading it from backup.

I'm not that extreme a case, am I? I like that I can keep cranking out work on time despite drive failures and power outages (so long as the power comes back on within an hour, which is about how long my two UPS' will last.)
 
I'm not that extreme a case, am I? I like that I can keep cranking out work on time despite drive failures and power outages (so long as the power comes back on within an hour, which is about how long my two UPS' will last.)

LOL... I'd say you're fairly extreme. ;) At any rate, the reason you're a fan of parity RAID is for the right reasons... business continuity. But I'm honestly surprised you haven't been burned with rebuilding large multi-TB arrays. There's certainly a lot of discussion out there these days about the merits of large disk parity RAID setups. At least if you're going to setup a parity RAID array... go RAID6 like you did. RAID5 is asking for trouble. But for normal folk JBOD is much more practical and makes a lot more sense.
 
LOL... I'd say you're fairly extreme. ;) At any rate, the reason you're a fan of parity RAID is for the right reasons... business continuity. But I'm honestly surprised you haven't been burned with rebuilding large multi-TB arrays. There's certainly a lot of discussion out there these days about the merits of large disk parity RAID setups. At least if you're going to setup a parity RAID array... go RAID6 like you did. RAID5 is asking for trouble. But for normal folk JBOD is much more practical and makes a lot more sense.
Yeah, maybe it's luck, but I've had three rebuilds without issue, even the time I pulled the wrong one and had a 2-disk rebuild. They only take about 5 hours, and I can keep editing while it happens.

On my last RMA, WD sent me the new WD4000FYYZ (4TB RE) instead of an identical WD2003FYYS (2TB RE-4) because they said they were out of stock on the 2TB. I thought that was strange, since they do have new 2TB enterprise disks...the WD2000FYYZ. But hey, I won't complain. It went into my RAID 6 with no problems - just a shame that I'm wasting 2TB of the 4TB disk to match the rest of the array. So, I just bought another WD2003FYYS to replace the 4TB RE, which will go into my 4-bay backup box.
 
Yeah, maybe it's luck, but I've had three rebuilds without issue, even the time I pulled the wrong one and had a 2-disk rebuild. They only take about 5 hours, and I can keep editing while it happens.

On my last RMA, WD sent me the new WD4000FYYZ (4TB RE) instead of an identical WD2003FYYS (2TB RE-4) because they said they were out of stock on the 2TB. I thought that was strange, since they do have new 2TB enterprise disks...the WD2000FYYZ. But hey, I won't complain. It went into my RAID 6 with no problems - just a shame that I'm wasting 2TB of the 4TB disk to match the rest of the array. So, I just bought another WD2003FYYS to replace the 4TB RE, which will go into my 4-bay backup box.

5 hours for a rebuild is fast. I've heard horror stories of two or three day rebuilds... And if a few of the drives are the same age, and one is kicked out of the array due to failure, the chances of one of those other similarly aged drives throwing an unrecoverable error are high... Especially during a rebuild which stresses the hell out of the whole setup.
 
I have a Synology 1211+ for big data and long term storage, accessible from all my computers. For extra storage on the nMP I'd probably get this.

Echo 15 Thunderbolt Dock (with Blu-ray Drive)

I don't care about the Blu-ray so much as it has two spots internally for 2.5" drives. Pretty nice package overall, you get your missing CD ROM drive (not that I use it much anymore), a couple drives and a bunch of ports. I have a cheap eSATA 8 bay tower with some older drives in it for long term storage too that would hook up to this for the nMP. The black even matches the nMP, they have a picture of the two (photoshopped surely) and it looks good.
 
I have a Synology 1211+ for big data and long term storage, accessible from all my computers. For extra storage on the nMP I'd probably get this.

Echo 15 Thunderbolt Dock (with Blu-ray Drive)

I don't care about the Blu-ray so much as it has two spots internally for 2.5" drives. Pretty nice package overall, you get your missing CD ROM drive (not that I use it much anymore), a couple drives and a bunch of ports. I have a cheap eSATA 8 bay tower with some older drives in it for long term storage too that would hook up to this for the nMP. The black even matches the nMP, they have a picture of the two (photoshopped surely) and it looks good.

That's a great product for anyone that needs some legacy stuff (optical, eSATA, FW) and some external storage.
 
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