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nMP/new Mac Pro/Mac Pro 6,1 Reviews [MERGED]
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Closer look: Apple Mac Pro unified thermal core, Intel Thunderbolt 2 http://www.electronista.com/article...e.thunderbolt.2.make.mac.pro.design.possible/
Nothing particularly "closer" there that isn't covered in at last 1/2 dozen threads here. Not even a review (although did find a link to a review on the page. ) Even the review (http://www.electronista.com/reviews/apple-mac-pro-late-2013.html) covers much of the same ground as others. There are a few benchmarks versus a 2013 iMac top end standard configuration model. Single threaded in same ballpark as iMac , multithreaded not. Graphics not all that optimized (with iMac results not that far off), and some allusions to FCPX performance.
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Agreed, but I think the basic issues with the nMP are still not being mentioned enough .
It's faster in a few things, as it should be, being newer and all, but not a huge speed boost anywhere .
If Apple had put the nMP parts in a modified oMP box, Satat3, USB 3.0, fast PCIe sockets allaround , dual CPU options, keeping maybe a few FW ports for compatibility and such, make dual GPUs optional, etc ., people could now buy a porperly upgraded MP .
Say internal drives 2.5" only, or PCIe, no optical drive, saves quite some space .
A smaller cheese grater, with all the bells and whistles of the old one plus current tech . So easy to do .
Intersting point from the Ars review - if you are one of very very few who have use for dual GPU and OpenCL etc. performance, you want all currently available GPU options and upgradability .
And you don't want to use TB to connect your monitors, simply because there are too few TB ports to run the rest of your gear .
If you need the current and future crop of multicore processors, single CPU design of the nMP is a dead end .
So, instead it's a new MP, it has the expected minor speed bump in some models, it's smallish, which is great, but it doesnt beat physics .
Small case - little content, not competitive to other workstations at the high end .
This is reminiscent of the Slashdot review of the original iPod: "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."
Both are true, as far as they go, but somehow miss the big picture.
Graphic cards might be the hardest to upgrade later.
Memory will get cheap over time and and storage needs to be external anyways.
I go for the 8core,32MB,D700. But right now it says March and I do not want to order without anything happening.
If it goes down to a few weeks, I will.
You've definitely pointed out some of the most talked about limitations, but your reasoning doesn't make much sense.
I'm not even really sure what this means. We'd all love the wide gamut of choice, but why do you think this exclusive to those who need dual GPU and OpenCL? Also, if Apple offers a solid dual GPU setup, then why isn't that enough? Why would I need options for other GPUs?
There are 6 ports, not to mention you can daisy chain devices.
The Mac Pro features the "current crop of multicore processors." It only has one though. If you absolutely need dual cpus, then no, the Mac Pro really isn't for you. But I'm sure you'll find that's a small potential group anyway. At least that's what Apple has decided seeing as though they've abandoned 2 cpu systems. It was a good review of the new Mac Pro, however I think the author harps too much on the lack of a dual cpu option.
Huh?
It's competitive to its competitors, as it's always been. Of course you can find 16 and 24 core systems from HP, Boxx, Dell, etc., but they aren't comparable. Whether or not Apple's decision to max the system out at 1 cpu is a good one will only be proven over time. But this machine is certainly competitive.
I'm not even really sure what this means. We'd all love the wide gamut of choice, but why do you think this exclusive to those who need dual GPU and OpenCL? Also, if Apple offers a solid dual GPU setup, then why isn't that enough? Why would I need options for other GPUs?
There are 6 ports, not to mention you can daisy chain devices.
The Mac Pro features the "current crop of multicore processors." It only has one though. If you absolutely need dual cpus, then no, the Mac Pro really isn't for you. But I'm sure you'll find that's a small potential group anyway. At least that's what Apple has decided seeing as though they've abandoned 2 cpu systems. It was a good review of the new Mac Pro, however I think the author harps too much on the lack of a dual cpu option.
Huh?
It's competitive to its competitors, as it's always been. Of course you can find 16 and 24 core systems from HP, Boxx, Dell, etc., but they aren't comparable. Whether or not Apple's decision to max the system out at 1 cpu is a good one will only be proven over time. But this machine is certainly competitive.
I've order mine as nMP 6core, D500, 12 GB (i will upgrade later to 32Gb from crucial).
Update....
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/0...d700-opengl-is-better-than-we-thought-it-was/
Apple's "cone of silence" , Ultra Top Secret development process probably has kept a pretty broad spectrum of developers from working on optimizations for this new hardware. (e.g., built in assumptions in apps there can't possibly be more than 4GB of VRAM. )
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It isn't that audo isn't "pro". It is far more so that most folks have subsets of interest relatively to the full spectrum that the Mac Pro covers.
If very few folks have the machine than very few folks are poking at the various different subareas. Lots of things so far point to Apple both not having full baked this before shipping and not getting earlier systems into the hands of a broader demographic. ( even after it wasn't a super duper top secret project. )
Finally a (small) comparison between 8c and 12c for Motion Graphics guys like me.
It's in german though...
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Apple-Mac-Pro-12-Core-Flop----8-Core-Top--Praxistest-Teil-2.html
It's in german though...
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Apple-Mac-Pro-12-Core-Flop----8-Core-Top--Praxistest-Teil-2.html
Thanks, nice to see some AE results but would love to see more!
I ordered the 8 core, that test makes me think the 12 core would be a beast with AE but that's just rendering. I think the 8 core's much faster turbo of the 8 will come in play when working. Nice to see a program that uses all the cores
Not any more, sort of:
http://translate.google.com/transla...re-Flop----8-Core-Top--Praxistest-Teil-2.html
This video is a Session that I use to crash Pro tools 11HD.
256voices
131 Audio Tracks
52 Aux
5 rows of sends
Full of Eq7, Channel strips, Altiverbs, soundshifter, movie h264. 32 samples, dynamic processing, 12Gb cache, all audio tracks have 1Khz 2minutes length (it's not on audio file for all tracks, it's individual files for each track, that's why I need to enable 12Gb cache. 48Khz/24bits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN3lGsA-YtQ&feature=em-upload_owner
Studio Daily review for anyone interested:
http://www.studiodaily.com/2014/03/review-apples-new-mac-pro/
Nothing new really, but at least provides another viewpoint (albeit another from video production). He still espouses the questionable comparison between the D700s being a cost effective upgrade vs. paying retail for a pair of W9000s. And being "Avid guys" I'm wondering why they didn't run any tests using Media Composer. Granted, I wouldn't have expected great results, but it would have been informative.
http://www.studiodaily.com/2014/03/review-apples-new-mac-pro/
Nothing new really, but at least provides another viewpoint (albeit another from video production). He still espouses the questionable comparison between the D700s being a cost effective upgrade vs. paying retail for a pair of W9000s. And being "Avid guys" I'm wondering why they didn't run any tests using Media Composer. Granted, I wouldn't have expected great results, but it would have been informative.
I was very impressed to, I've jumped from a early 2008 MacPro to this one.
What a difference.
Bryce Button: AJA Io 4K Capture and Output via Thunderbolt 2 and the new Mac Pro http://vimeo.com/87065293
The bottom line is I won't buy one, my co-workers won't buy one and we need one so we all bought the last of the 12 core previous mac pros and have loaded them up and they are awesome. We also saved TONS of money. Plus a simple fact remains, the old ones have increased in price on ebay 40%. You used to be able to pick up a 2.26ghz 8 core 2009 for around $900 now they are going for $1500 and up. This mac pro is the G4 cube all over again. If you are buying one of these things then well, a fool and their money are soon parted.
You might have your truth in that.
But don't forget that EU are without Mac Pro since March 2013. And now they are overpriced and used, they still are a great machines I know. but.... the market in here is not so good as you all have in US.
This is a makeitcrash session (not in a world I will use a session like that).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN3lGsA-YtQ
I've done the same test before sold my Old Mac Pro early 2008, and not even of a third of the session was enable to make it work.
Quite remarkable this power. I've tested with the built in audio card that only have outputs with the same result.
Cheers From Portugal.