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nMP/new Mac Pro/Mac Pro 6,1 Reviews [MERGED]

koban4max said:
cnet has a point...i don't see why it is funny. It is actually intended for professionals in certain field. Prosumers are the ones that actually to think and see if they are willing to buy it for that much...especially for quad core...which is not really good.
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Having followed the lead up to the new MacPro for the last *five* years, this statement is pretty funny. All we've been hearing since their announcement last summer is that it's not suitable for professionals at all... not powerful enough, no dual processors, etc.

Now that it's out, the 'problem' is that it's a beast, and not for the faint of heart :rolleyes:
 
Bazu said:
So far best comparison are those two tests and Unigine Heaven

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,3425-3.html

http://www.macworld.com/article/208...ter-weve-been-waiting-for-finally.html?page=2

By the numbers D700 is nowhere near W9000, It's very likely W7000 as far the numbers say.

D500 will probably be closer to W5000 performance wise
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Don't sweat it so much. The D700's hardware is what it is and we know it's virtually identical to a 7970. It's probably a safe bet that any performance issues we're seeing right now will be improved through driver optimizations. Besides, Boot Camp performance will be more telling -- gaming performance on the OS X side has always lagged behind.
 
ozbimmer said:
Is OpenGL used in the nMP test? The one in tomhardware used directx 11
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There surely is some difference between OGL and DX11 but not 100%

Unigine Heaven 2560x1440
D700 - 14,4
W9000 - 37,6
W7000 - 14,9
7970 - 28

I would say that difference between 14,4 and 14,9 could be OGL - DX11
 
ozbimmer said:
Is OpenGL used in the nMP test? The one in tomhardware used directx 11
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Really good point. This article concludes that, for AMD cards, OpenGL performance on the Unigine benchmark trails DX11 performance by about 20%. And that's with mature hardware and drivers. Of course, they're talking about different resolutions and cards, but the point is that you can't draw any meaningful conclusions by directly comparing OpenGL performance to DX11 performance with that benchmark.
 
kfscoll said:
Really good point. This article concludes that, for AMD cards, OpenGL performance on the Unigine benchmark trails DX11 performance by about 20%. Of course, they're talking about different resolutions and cards, but the point is that you can't draw any meaningful conclusions by directly comparing OpenGL performance to DX11 performance with that benchmark.
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Indeed it is but still 20% faster isn't 100% faster :)
 
Bazu said:
Indeed it is but still 20% faster isn't 100% faster :)
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In addition to OpenGL vs. DX11 you're also trying to compare Windows performance against OS X performance. OS X has always been slower than Windows with gaming. I just wouldn't worry.
 
kfscoll said:
In addition to OpenGL vs. DX11 you're also trying to compare Windows performance against OS X performance. OS X has always been slower than Windows with gaming. I just wouldn't worry.
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Well, for people who like to do some gaming after work and still not to use Windows at any point. nMP is around 5000 reasons to worry :) Compared to maxed out iMac.

Again biggest issue was Apple late release. It left for those who needed 2013 year invoice a very little time to see those reviews and rethink their decision is nMP exactly cooping with their needs.

Personally I think Apple got hooked too much 4K video and forgot that people gonna use it for work and also for some entertainment (especially those freelancing ones). Or maybe they counted on people gonna buy nMP for work and iMac for entertainment :) Freelancers are not robots. We do like games too :)

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I'd also like to add that In my opinion this special naming of GPU's for nMP was more to hide something than to say something.
 
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goMac said:
I'd wait for a benchmark under Bootcamp before worrying. The 7950 is also having gaming performance problems on the Mac side under Mavericks, so it seems like the 7970 (which is the consumer twin of the D700) might be having some issues as well.
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Just canceled my order. Gonna wait see how it turns with GPU performance.
 
MattDSLR said:
Wow its slower then my rMBP and both my 6 and 12 core in 80% of cases

This sucks for new adopters and those that where waiting for seedy MacPros

and thats running on SSD and the others are on regular drives other than my rMBP

this is just laughable that apple is considering this a fastest MacPro ever:D
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What are these, Mac Pros of ill repute?
 
VirtualRain said:
You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing it. :confused:
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Compare RAW processor speed and core you will have to do some math for that and add better video card and 5.1 mac pros will be faster than nMP Mini
Like I sad with in a year we will see new Mac Pros with some drive bays or this will be the end of MacPros for apple

apple will get a huge hit with this nMP mini that is only faster than a mac mini and in some cases than a rMBP and iMac
 
goMac said:
I'm looking at Geekbench scores that say no.
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Agreed

So far, all the nMP Geekbench results I've seen are exceeding these estimates by 1000-2000 points, which is only widening the gap...
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pertusis1 said:
Having followed the lead up to the new MacPro for the last *five* years, this statement is pretty funny. All we've been hearing since their announcement last summer is that it's not suitable for professionals at all... not powerful enough, no dual processors, etc.

Now that it's out, the 'problem' is that it's a beast, and not for the faint of heart :rolleyes:
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do you REALLY believe that? No sarcasm or anything... give me your honest opinion.
 
Bazu said:
But you take into consideration that nMP 6 cores cost more than MP5.1 12 cores did?
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That's true, but a MP5.1 doesn't have six Thunderbolt ports, an SSD standard, dual 7970s, or USB3 ports built in.

By the time you've upgraded a 2012 Mac Pro to have those things (at least the things in that list that it can accept upgrades to), you've blown past the price difference.
 
goMac said:
That's true, but a MP5.1 doesn't have six Thunderbolt ports, an SSD standard, dual 7970s, or USB3 ports built in.

By the time you've upgraded a 2012 Mac Pro to have those things (at least the things in that list that it can accept upgrades to), you've blown past the price difference.
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For me the only problem is those so called dual 7970. They so far perform worse than 780M and on the one i had on order (D500) could possible perform about as 760M.

I have completely no problem with CPU performance which i see on nMP is great.
No problems with internal PCIe SSD which i see is great.
I love idea that it's small and have so many TB2 ports for expansion.
I see great performance for 4k video (even thou video is not my area of expertise).
OpenCL is as far i can see good.

My only problem is weak OpenGL performance by nMP GPU's if not that. I wouldn't cancel my order nor made dozen of replies to this and one more thread.
 
Bazu said:
My only problem is weak OpenGL performance by nMP GPU's if not that. I wouldn't cancel my order nor made dozen of replies to this and one more thread.
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Except, if we're comparing to the 2012 Mac Pro, it has the same weak performance problems with that GPU.

Driver issues are temporary. If someone does a Boot Camp benchmark and it also totally sucks it up, that might be serious cause for concern. But until I see that...

If you buy a 2012 Mac Pro it will always be slow. A 2013 Mac Pro with a driver issue is temporarily slow.

The other thing is Apple has already advertised the raw horsepower of the card in gigaflops. So the amount of power the card has is not in question here. Which again, points to a driver issue. If they advertised a certain amount of horsepower, but put other hardware in the machine that was lower performing, that would be class action lawsuit time.
 
Bazu said:
As far I'm happy for video editors they get perfect hardware for them.
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that final cut video is getting misinterpreted..

it's not so much to do with the hardware.. it's the software that's doing it.
try the updated final cut on a decently equipped 5,1 and i bet you're going to see similar enhancements.
 
goMac said:
If you buy a 2012 Mac Pro it will always be slow. A 2013 Mac Pro with a driver issue is temporarily slow..
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I wouldn't buy MP5.1 now at any point.
If i'd go for something instead of nMP it would be maxed out iMac.

For now i'm waiting to see how GPU performance will be fixed.
My delivery est. was february anyway so I decided cancel order, keep cash in pocket and wait to see what happens.
 
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