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nMP/new Mac Pro/Mac Pro 6,1 Reviews [MERGED]
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me too
until I spoke to apple and they told me that they will not work with me do to slower speed if I connect anything to nMP
that told me that nMP will has the fastest internals ever build but they will not guaranty me any speeds outside the black box as none of the components are build and design by them.
which basically told me that those speeds will not achievable
Stop spreading nonsense!
None of those beat their new 12-core counterpart! Even the 5,1 with 30% higher clocks is slower.
No, just looking at RAW CPU power since that's what Mr. MATTDSLR seems to think is king about the 5,1. He keeps spreading nonsense that the 5,1 is faster than the nMP which is simply not true.
Some nice visuals, but not the most informed commentary. Highlight might have been where he identified the SSD as the CPU.
well its not hands on
its just a demo box
who knows if its even operational and we all know the specs
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Just add SSD to them plus you can buy two 5.1 for the price of one 12 core computer with no way of expending it cheap. so you will have to spend another 40% on more for drives that can buy you all kinds of SSD for 5.1
Not to take anything away from the nMP, but look what was done on a 5.1 MP using Premiere Pro 5. In the nMP demo, 1 file of 4K with 18 efx were shown in real time. In the 5.1 video (with Quadro 4000) 9 files of HD including R3D and efx were shown in real time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foLxsL5RU6k
The bench thread got locked so ill post this here:
Taking this argument to the bare bones silicon on the CPU and chipset regardless of what's outside those parameters doesn't make sense in terms of performance.
Comparisons of
Westmere on multicore versus ivy bridge e is grandfather v grandson
Ivy bridge e on single core versus haswell is father v son.
The newer generations are faster period. No doubt broadwell cpus will be faster than the haswell Xeons we will see with the Mac Pro 7,1.
If I start posting comparisons of ivy bridge e versus it's great great grandfather Harpertown in my 3,1 feel free to throw cyber tomatoes at me in the message board stocks!
Taking this argument to the bare bones silicon on the CPU and chipset regardless of what's outside those parameters doesn't make sense in terms of performance.
Comparisons of
Westmere on multicore versus ivy bridge e is grandfather v grandson
Ivy bridge e on single core versus haswell is father v son.
The newer generations are faster period. No doubt broadwell cpus will be faster than the haswell Xeons we will see with the Mac Pro 7,1.
If I start posting comparisons of ivy bridge e versus it's great great grandfather Harpertown in my 3,1 feel free to throw cyber tomatoes at me in the message board stocks!
Agreed, but comparing standard configurations of old vs. new MP makes no sense either .
At least the amount RAM should be the same and a regular SSD in the old machines; I don't care which one is a bit cheaper, but benchmarking or testing a stock MP 5.1 with 6GB or so and HDD just won't tell you how fast it is in a more realistic configuration .
Wow its slower then my rMBP and both my 6 and 12 core in 80% of cases
This sucks for new adopters and those that where waiting for seedy MacPros
and thats running on SSD and the others are on regular drives other than my rMBP
this is just laughable that apple is considering this a fastest MacPro ever
This is quite a nonsense. It's like testing the Mac Pro 1,1 on running Rosetta applications against a PowerMac G5. Wait till the software uses the OpenCL architecture. Then the differences will be ever so great.
Agreed, we should be able to see some detailed reviews of the nMP with the 12 Cores CPU & OpenCL benchmarks showing up by February next year, hopefully with apps fully utilizing the GPU power.
I have an old 2010 Mac Pro 5,1, which has served me well, with some upgrades here and there, mostly CPU, GPU, SSD & Memory upgrades. But I cannot even compare it to the nMP. In my case, my old MP 5,1 is powerful than the nMP, at least when comparing it to the 6 Cores and 8 Cores (in terms of raw multi-core CPU processing power for video rendering/content creation/CAD and so on).
I only use 1 x GTX 680 for CUDA/OpenCL/GPU processing, so I will not know how good is the performance; when comparing 2 x GPU versus 1 on GPU dedicated tasks. I am no a big fan of sticking dual GPUs in the old Mac Pro Case, I do not like the way the GPU cards sit inside the case, one on top of the other, with limited air circulation/space in between, it creates a lot of heat and lot of stress on the case fans afterwards, including noise.
My honest opinion? The 6,1 is certainly not priced well for the enthusiast market (unless someone has a fair amount of disposable money, for which no ROI is expected). Whether it is well suited to the professional market is up for debate. Some of the early reviews certainly indicate that it may be great for video editing, but I don't know whether it's going to be a good fit for photographers, print editors, etc.
On the other hand, to counter my own point about it not being well suited for enthusiasts, it may be that the world is changing with regards to where people choose to spend their money. I live in an area where working class folks will think nothing of spending $40,000 on a vehicle that is more or less used to commute to work and back. I drive 15 year old Japanese compact car, though I could afford something nicer. A nice car is just not important to me. For a lot of people, though, they end up spending hours daily on their computer. Maybe having a machine that looks cool on the desk and is very snappy and responsive is worth blowing $4k on? Electronics are a big part of people's lives now.
I think whether it ends up being a powerful enough machine for a lot of high end users is going to hinge on how much of a real life effect OpenGL has on performance. It may have been a stroke of genius to use highly parallel video cards to push performance rather than more standard processing. I think the jury is still out on whether that is going to a generally high end user experience, or whether it will only be helpful for FCPX and Adobe users.
What is funny to me is how the rhetoric has changed.... from "6,1 isn't usable by professionals" to "you don't need it! You're not a professional." I wasn't meaning to counter your point, or to offend.
Ok not really a review but the nMP was talked about on Fox Business channel the other day.
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2955710980001/apples-new-mac-pro-rolls-royce-of-computers/
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2955710980001/apples-new-mac-pro-rolls-royce-of-computers/
A little perspective
Not that I would ever base a purchase decision on a Macworld benchmark, for anyone who didn't actually read the Macworld review and are wondering about the "horrible" results for the nMP, this is what the headline said:
New Mac Pro is the speedster we've been waiting for (finally)
Not that I would ever base a purchase decision on a Macworld benchmark, for anyone who didn't actually read the Macworld review and are wondering about the "horrible" results for the nMP, this is what the headline said:
New Mac Pro is the speedster we've been waiting for (finally)
Truth is, of course, most photographers, graphic designers, etc. have long since switched to MacBook Pro or iMac anyway. In 1993, when a mid-range Mac shipped with 8 MB of RAM, Photoshop was a demanding app that, when used at a professional level, could easy tax a $10K system. In 2013, when a mid-range Mac ships with 1000x as much RAM, you have to be doing something pretty unusual in Photoshop to not get great performance out of a MacBook Air or Mac Mini.
Part of the reason the new Mac Pro seems targeted so much at pro video is that there just aren't too many other users left who have tasks that are still computationally demanding by modern standards. Even within the pro video market things have changed radically over the last few years. Five years ago a Mac Pro was standard equipment for routine creative editing; now looking at what most of our clients are doing (I work for a post house), creative editing seems to have moved 90% to iMac and MacBook Pro, and it's really only online conforming/grading/VFX with original media from high-end cinema cameras that's done on Mac Pros. In other words, five years ago both we and our clients were using Mac Pros; today only we are.
Apple itself says this is the computer they were crazy to build. They're saying that because they know it's only relevant to a tiny minority of users.
I've actually made a very similar point before in posts over in the Ars Technica forums. If you use a computer heavily, either professionally or as an enthusiast, getting a really nice computer is one of the cheapest possible ways to enjoy your life more. Far cheaper than getting a nicer car, a nicer house, or other common 'lifestyle upgrades'.
The performance of GPU workloads is increasing much faster than the performance of CPU workloads, due to the problems everyone has had ramping clock speeds over the last several years. (GPU vendors can't ramp clock speeds any better, of course, but GPU workloads are more amendable to just being executed across a huge number of cores, so they don't need to.) This seems to mean that the 'balance of power' will increasingly tilt toward GPU even for workstation vendors who don't make a deliberate choice to move in that direction. I think Apple is just trying to get out ahead of this reality. They're giving users and developers a kick in that direction to help future-proof the ecosystem.
lol fair enough...i won't disagree with that point. We'll have to see in the long run how this machine will affect us for everyday use.
You keep saying this, but I'm not seeing it.
He's just trying to justify his lack of budget, or he really enjoys trolling. I also enjoy that he seems to be a photo buff, but yet he's talking about 12-core systems.. didn't know PS needed that..
Regardless, if someone had a 5,1 right now, it might make sense to update it, rather than buying a nMP. But buying a 5,1 right now, especially at the prices being asked for them, would be lunacy unless you had tons of legacy cards that would cost a fortune to replace.
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