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M5RahuL

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Not gullible, and yet, somehow, you bought two devices you apparently dislike.

I don't dislike them .. not sure how you concluded that ( although, the 12.9 is new so returnable still and is going back as such ) but it's been relegated to my treadmill for media consumption, forum browsing, and emails vs what it could've been..
 

M5RahuL

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I mean…..Apple got you either way lol

Not directly, since I bought this as a refurbished premium unit ( although it was still brand new with 0 charge cycles and full warranty ;)) from Amazon. I'm done paying MSRP for electronics, and clothes lol
 

coachgq

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This is my use case as well. I am a Middle School Asst. Principal and would love a more portable setup for evals, etc vs my HP laptop that my district provided that is just so cumbersome.
I have been leaning 11" but I am a big guy and struggle a touch typing on the MKB for the 11".

My plan is to prob buy the 11" tonight and use it a bit and decide before the 14 day window closes as I'm leaving for the East Coast trip and could play with it on the long bus ride. Also looking for the Back to School promo that hasn't dropped yet so will prob return it to get the promo.
YES! I’m waiting on the BTS too! I used the 12.9 for the past 3 years but decided it was just too bulky. I borrowed my kids iPad Air 4 and MKB and used it for the last month of school and decided it was worth the trade off. Plus I like it 10x better than the Dell my district tried to give me for “portability”. That thing sits on my desk unused. It’s nice having access to texts on the iPad too so you can answer them without being on your phone and looking like the kids :)
 

Thisismattwade

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I'm shocked at how well our 2018 11" iPP (bought on launch day) has held up. And it gets another year of OS updates! (Surely it's last year...) Even the charging cable for the thing is still going strong. (The charging block, too, for that matter, though we don't use it.) It might be corny to say, and some people will think I'm being dramatic/superficial, but this device has really been through so much with my family.

{I've had it so long I've gone from using it daily, to putting it in a drawer for about 18 months, and then we've been re-using it regularly for about 2 years. 😂}
 

TheWraith

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People are just frustrated because of what it could be. If you can live with the limitations of iPadOS in your workflow, then you are set. But there are a few big pain points that could make it so much more useful without ruining the experience of the iPad.

I started this topic, and I agree with this. There are pain points on the ipad that have been known for a long time, and Apple must just really not want to address them—they have had plenty of time to do so now. Maybe after the big AI push, but I didn't expect anything, and that's pretty much what happened in terms of ipad specific features.
 

Elusi

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I so wanted an excuse to get a Magic Keyboard, but nah. All the pitfalls of the OS seemingly remains.

I will finally pick up an open-box Apple Pencil 2, though.
 

heretiq

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I never said iPad needs to support MacOS.

What this ad is saying is all you need is an iPad. This person doesn't even know what a computer is anymore. What I contend with is iPad can't be your only device.

Like I said, the gap between iPadOS today and "macOS on iPad" is WIIIIIIDDDDEEEE. Just the features iPad OS promises are not super functional. No file system that people like to use. Sharesheet is painful. You can't backup an Ipad without a computer. Mouse support is next to crap. External monitor support is barebones. Limited drive formatting features to say work with an external hard drive. There are fundamental things broken with ipad OS that has nothing to do with macos and limit your ability to tell me with a straight face, you can get by as a professional with only an ipad.
Please identify where the ad states “all you need is an iPad.” It categorically does not state nor imply that. What it shows is a kid using the iPad as a tablet to perform things the iPad can readily do — and nothing more. Statements that the ad is claiming that the iPad can do everything a Mac does is verifiably unfounded. I use an iPad professionally every day with zero of the issues you mentioned because I’m using it as a tablet and took the time to learn how to use it the way Apple designed it to be used — instead of trying to force it to work like a Mac and complaining when it doesn’t work like a Mac.

I do agree that the iPad cannot do everything I need a computer to do (and don’t expect it to because it is designed to complement a Mac — not replace it); however, I realize that my experience is not a law of nature — as there are many professionals who can and do use an iPad exclusively for professional work.
 

FrozenDarkness

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Another thing is, apple has made significant strides every WWDC on iPadOS before this.
Please identify where the ad states “all you need is an iPad.” It categorically does not state nor imply that. What it shows is a kid using the iPad as a tablet to perform things the iPad can readily do — and nothing more. Statements that the ad is claiming that the iPad can do everything a Mac does is verifiably unfounded. I use an iPad professionally every day with zero of the issues you mentioned because I’m using it as a tablet and took the time to learn how to use it the way Apple designed it to be used — instead of trying to force it to work like a Mac and complaining when it doesn’t work like a Mac.

I do agree that the iPad cannot do everything I need a computer to do (and don’t expect it to because it is designed to complement a Mac — not replace it); however, I realize that my experience is not a law of nature — as there are many professionals who can and do use an iPad exclusively for professional work.
Computer, what's a computer? This suggests you don't need a computer anymore, you just need an ipad.

"I do agree that the iPad cannot do everything I need a computer to do"

Hope that helps. and just to reiterate, I have never said or suggested an ipad should do everything a mac does.
 
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steve123

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It would be wonderful if the Asahi Linux team ported Asahi Linux to the iPad. Moreover, the ability to run macOS and iPadOS apps on Asahi Linux would make it a great alternative.
 

mmp1964

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i think a lot of people were hoping for M4 specific refinements. That's the theory for why they got the M4's out the door so quickly. WWDC was supposed to convince people to upgrade.

Now everything announce works at least on M1s, what's the point of anybody on M1 upgrading go M4?
Yeah, and since the new AI stuff doesn't actually require M4 - I am perplexed. But there are other aspects to the iPad update (screen) and they haven't done one in a while so the shareholders were getting antsy.
 
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mmp1964

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the real question is does apple expect ipad to be a standalone device or a companion device. whether you think apple should prioritize drawing features, or keyboard productivity, doesn't change the fact that ipad today isn't a great standalone device for pro users. the file app on ipad is terrible. ipadOS has extremely limited backup functions, doesn't support things like versioning. Drag and drop support isn't great. i can't even backup my photo library to a local storage without it crashing. resizeability of windows aren't always great. All of these are important for any type of power user.

when we're saying it's a mac replacement, i take it to mean, can your only device be an iPad. The answer today is no, not unless you want to make a lot of pro-level compromises.
Agreed. I use my iPad for a lot - but - I still need to have my Mac mini for things like running my Plex server, Time Machine, Smart Playlists in AM, etc.
 

KPOM

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i think a lot of people were hoping for M4 specific refinements. That's the theory for why they got the M4's out the door so quickly. WWDC was supposed to convince people to upgrade.

Now everything announce works at least on M1s, what's the point of anybody on M1 upgrading go M4?
They got the M4 out for at least two reasons: 1) it is made on a more efficient TSMC process node with better yields than the M3, 2) it has 3 display drivers, which are necessary to support the tandem OLED and an external display.
 

WU27f1xcCs

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What specifically about this year, year 13, makes you want to make that choice?
I think just fatigued at no big changes, a decent alternative (although need to research that more to check that), and slight annoyance that my still fast device isn’t getting updates. I had looked at the Surface tablet in the last few weeks, but hearing no more updates pushed me I guess?
 

GDF

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After many weeks of frantic wondering...iPadOS 18 landed with a big wet thud.

Literally nothing changed about Stage Manager, multitasking, or Files app, or anything to make it work better.

I wasn't disappointed, because it's what I expect from iPadOS—of course the Apple Intelligence stuff is great, if you're on an iPad that can use it, but basically nothing happened to the iPad in particular other than...a calculator app.

Maybe next year, or maybe never.
Totally agree. I think all of Apple’s announcements were disappointing for this years iOS, OS, software updates for Fall. Could really care less about all this AI stuff. Plus, they are partner with a AI leader and not even doing it all themselves. I think AI is actually dumbing down people.

I can’t think of one thing software wise that was innovative. Probably most unimpressive Apple WWDC’s ever.
 

mpetrides

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I go back to my M2 MBA and it feels cheap and sluggish compared. Something I never thought I’d expect to happen.

Feel like replacing my MBA with iPad. It’s that good.
Interesting, @erasr.

I love my 13 inch M4 iPad Pro 1TB but I don't think it outpaces my similarly equipped (1TB storage, 16 GB memory) 13 inch M2 MBA. I use them for different functions (iPad for reading eBooks and taking handwritten notes; Mac for Zoom meetings, desktop web browsing) and each is plenty enough for those functions. In fact, if anything they feel a tad duplicative; neither surpasses the other in feel or speed.
 

Abazigal

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It's not at all. People are just frustrated because of what it could be. If you can live with the limitations of iPadOS in your workflow, then you are set. But there are a few big pain points that could make it so much more useful without ruining the experience of the iPad.
If anything, I have learnt to embrace the limitations of iPadOS, not just live with them. :)
 

JamesMay82

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iPads have their uses, but not as a production machine (at least for me). So it all depends on whether you want an iPad as a laptop or a consumption device, and what you value in a consumption device.
I’m one of the serial complainers on these forums about the iPad and I’m also massively disappointed with the new iPad os.

I think it’s because I like the form factor so much that I wish I could use it more in my day to day life. I can for the most part but with lots of compromises. It’s almost like wasted talent.
 

coachgq

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I think just fatigued at no big changes, a decent alternative (although need to research that more to check that), and slight annoyance that my still fast device isn’t getting updates. I had looked at the Surface tablet in the last few weeks, but hearing no more updates pushed me I guess?
How long do the surface devices get updates? And you’ll still get security updates, just not new iOS versions. But I get the fatigue part.
 
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Digitalguy

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How long do the surface devices get updates? And you’ll still get security updates, just not new iOS versions. But I get the fatigue part.
The security updates for unsupported iOS versions are kind of a myth. These are extremely partial (ony some critical security updates). This is something that happens with unsupported Windows versions too. Considering that you keep getting security but no new features with out of support iPads is just misinformation.
As to how much Windows versions are supported compared to iPadOS that's not even possible to compare. Historically Windows versions have been fully supported for 10 years but with the free upgrade to Windows 10 this extended to 15 years for Windows 7 devices. Also, like with Macs, it's possible to install Windows versions that are not officially supported on some devices, like Windows 11, which is not possible on iPads. But again the comparison is not even possible since iPads are software supported based on the device, while Windows versions are not linked to devices.
 
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macfacts

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So is the iPhone getting math notes? I mean apple controls the hardware and software or is this purposely fragmenting features?
 

coachgq

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The security updates for unsupported iOS versions are kind of a myth. These are extremely partial (ony some critical security updates). This is something that happens with unsupported Windows versions too. Considering that you keep getting security but no new features with out of support iPads is just misinformation.
As to how much Windows versions are supported compared to iPadOS that's not even possible to compare. Historically Windows versions have been fully supported for 10 years but with the free upgrade to Windows 10 this extended to 15 years for Windows 7 devices. Also, like with Macs, it's possible to install Windows versions that are not officially supported on some devices, like Windows 11, which is not possible on iPads. But again the comparison is not even possible since iPads are software supported based on the device, while Windows versions are not linked to devices.
Good to know. I was really only speaking on what I’ve read in headlines. Longevity doesn’t really impact me too much. As soon as I hear whatever device I have is about to be left off an update I sell it for 30-40% of what I paid or trade it in to Apple.
 
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