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iPad Pro No H.265 support No Dolby Vision


High price, 4gb of ram and no headphone jack is enough... But lack of HDR and Dolby Vision is where I draw the line. My iPad 10.5 can do it, I expect nothing less from these new models.
Is there any way to contact Apple and confirm? I’ll be super pissed if it’s not on newer iPads.
 
mei09891 said:
I’d like to know if the new iPad pro can output 4k hevc video via usc-c to 4K TV in HDR with 60-120 fps?
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This is one thing I struggled with. And while the quality is based on the source file its highly unliklely Apple is providing a H.265 4K HDR10 file if they are at this point the iPad Pro is just a storage device and the 4K and HDR10 processing is up to your TV.
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Bravia3d said:
High price, 4gb of ram and no headphone jack is enough... But lack of HDR and Dolby Vision is where I draw the line. My iPad 10.5 can do it, I expect nothing less from these new models.
Is there any way to contact Apple and confirm? I’ll be super pissed if it’s not on newer iPads.
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Tim.cook@apple.com get responses from high level staff.
We won't know until the product is out for a few weeks. Thats the sad part.
 
TheRealAlex said:
Even the Samsung Tab S4 mentions HDR. And the fact that Apple has hidden or taken down the old 10.5 Features page which mentioned Dolby Vision and HDR10 support. Is telling in its own way.

I wonder if The iPhone XR and its Liquid Retina display supports HDR10 and Dolby Vision

I cringed the second Apple Labled the Display Liquid Retina they are clearly creating a Feature Gap to make room For OLED and Leave HDR10 and Dolby Vision and a Premium feature for OLED devices.

This is early and not official yet. So more digging is needed.
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The XR does not but for good reason, it doesn't get bright enough. The new iPPs match (on paper) the 600nit brightness of the 2017 iPPs so they should also just squeak into HDR territory. It will be very disappointing if that is disabled in firmware.

H.265 is definitely supported but is listed as HEVC (a branding/offshoot of the same codec just like AVC was H.264). The big question is wether HDR support was pulled.
 
TofSanity said:
“The screen can't display HDR content, although it can play it back (whatever benefit that has) - in the very short demos we saw the quality was good though, and given the recent iPad Pro screens were good this wasn't a problem at all.”
From https://www.techradar.com/reviews/new-ipad-pro-11

This does seem odd.
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Thank you Tof, this is starting to verify my fears. Ince they said during the keynit Liquid Rertina I knew there goes HDR10 and Dolby Vision support.
Its a marketing ploy. Those Premium features will be left to OLED devices.
As if people are dumb and forget that last years iPad had that support.
But I don't see why it cant be fixed via Firmware Update.
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gnomeisland said:
The XR does not but for good reason, it doesn't get bright enough. The new iPPs match (on paper) the 600nit brightness of the 2017 iPPs so they should also just squeak into HDR territory. It will be very disappointing if that is disabled in firmware.

H.265 is definitely supported but is listed as HEVC (a branding/offshoot of the same codec just like AVC was H.264). The big question is wether HDR support was pulled.
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Yes the 600 nits gets me. Also its not 100% clear HEVC means H.264 or H.265 its Apple after all.

Either way I'll buy one on 11-7 @10am and load my Netflix account and if I can stream HDR content I'll get that little Netflix icon in the corner That says HDR 4K
BUUUUUT. That causes doubt, in that can it just process 4K HDR, and not really output 4K HDR10 from the display.

I guess someone will just have to take a true
4K HDR10 HEVC file load it to the iPad Pro and try to play it.

 
TheRealAlex said:
Thank you Tof, this is starting to verify my fears. Ince they said during the keynit Liquid Rertina I knew there goes HDR10 and Dolby Vision support.
Its a marketing ploy. Those Premium features will be left to OLED devices.
As if people are dumb and forget that last years iPad had that support.
But I don't see why it cant be fixed via Firmware Update.
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Yes the 600 nits gets me. Also its not 100% clear HEVC means H.264 or H.265 its Apple after all.

Either way I'll buy one on 11-7 @10am and load my Netflix account and if I can stream HDR content I'll get that little Netflix icon in the corner That says HDR 4K
BUUUUUT. That causes doubt, in that can it just process 4K HDR, and not really output 4K HDR10 from the display.

I guess someone will just have to take a true
4K HDR10 HEVC file load it to the iPad Pro and try to play it.

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You do understand Dolby vision and hdr 10 has nothing to do with 4K resolutions.

Hevc is h.265 and not h.264.
 
FFR said:
You do understand Dolby vision and hdr 10 has nothing to do with 4K resolutions.

Hevc is h.265 and not h.264.
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Yes its all packaged in one file right. I remember trying to run a
4K 10-bit file encoded in HEVC and the 9.7" Pro just can't run it.
Along with Skylake CPUs and everyone I warned not to buy Skylake. But 10.5" Pros can.

 
TheRealAlex said:
Thank you Tof, this is starting to verify my fears. Ince they said during the keynit Liquid Rertina I knew there goes HDR10 and Dolby Vision support.
Its a marketing ploy. Those Premium features will be left to OLED devices.
As if people are dumb and forget that last years iPad had that support.
But I don't see why it cant be fixed via Firmware Update.
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Yes the 600 nits gets me. Also its not 100% clear HEVC means H.264 or H.265 its Apple after all.

Either way I'll buy one on 11-7 @10am and load my Netflix account and if I can stream HDR content I'll get that little Netflix icon in the corner That says HDR 4K
BUUUUUT. That causes doubt, in that can it just process 4K HDR, and not really output 4K HDR10 from the display.

I guess someone will just have to take a true
4K HDR10 HEVC file load it to the iPad Pro and try to play it.

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H.265 = HEVC
H.264 = AVC

Those are standards. Apple can't claim HEVC and only have H.264. If they do, that's either a fine or lawsuit.
 
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Who needs H.265 and HDR videos on a $1.5k Pro device?
It's not like anyone watches content on it.

Nope, I'd rather edit a 3GB Photoshop file with a $130 stylus.
Now you are talking!

I was almost blinded by the red flag that was waved around when they explained the screen specs in less than a minute.
Almost shocked they didn't get rid of ProMotion while they were at it.
 
Boil said:
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Apple is using MS Comic Sans now?o_O
 
TheRealAlex said:
Yes its all packaged in one file right. I remember trying to run a
4K 10-bit file encoded in HEVC and the 9.7" Pro just can't run it.
Along with Skylake CPUs and everyone I warned not to buy Skylake. But 10.5" Pros can.

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Dolby vision and hdr10 are profiles you can also encode hevc with Dolby vision @ 1080p it’s what Netflix and iTunes Store does.

No idea why you keep bundling it with 4K.
 
Nozuka said:
This article explains how HDR works on the iPhone XR. And i'm pretty sure that last years iPad Pro was the same.

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/10/23/iphone-xr-hdr-display/

I'd be surprised if this years Pro would not also work this way. It makes no sense to take it out.
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Yeah I am leaning towards this. Furthermore I'd go as far to say that the 10.5" iPad Pro is a. 10-bit Display and the 2018 iPad Pro is just a 8-bit Display and why they had to get rid of promoting HDR10 and Dolby Vision as features

This really sucks at least they didn't get rid of 120Hz ProMotion as someone else said I was really expecting that to go away also.
 
TheRealAlex said:
Yeah I am leaning towards this. Furthermore I'd go as far to say that the 10.5" iPad Pro is a. 10-bit Display and the 2018 iPad Pro is just a 8-bit Display and why they had to get rid of promoting HDR10 and Dolby Vision as features

This really sucks at least they didn't get rid of 120Hz ProMotion as someone else said I was really expecting that to go away also.
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No i'm saying it is still the same. Last years iPad Pro was never true Dolby Vision / HDR10, just like the XR.

Actually it even says so in that article:

Summing up, devices without native HDR screens (iPhone XR, current iPad Pros, etc.) process the HDR signal but use dithering to simulate the visual enhancements to dynamic range, contrast and wide color gamut that are only made possible by HDR.
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iPhone X and XS (Max) are the only iOS devices that support real HDR.

(well, Apple TV, but it doesn't have its own screen)


Nothing was taken away with the new iPads. It still has the same wide color gamut.

Yes the "video playback" part is completely missing from the specs at the moment, but that does not proof anything.
Or maybe the iPad can no longer playback any video, because it's not mentioned in the specs. ;)
 
FFR said:
That’s just complete bs. Your confusing Dolby vision with the uhd 4K spec.


The iPad has p3 Wide colour display and has a 120jz refresh rate.


Dolby vision

“Dolby Vision provides for instructions or metadata that can change from scene to scene, telling the TV when push contrast or boost a particular color. Furthermore, Dolby's maximum spec for consumer TVs goes up to 12-bit color depth for a possible 68 billion colors (versus the old Rec. 709 8-bit color depth that rendersgg just 16.7 million possible colors). On the brightness side, Dolby Vision allows for levels reaching 4,000 nits or more.”


And


“By comparison, HDR10 uses a fixed set of metadata, giving TVs less flexibility on how to handle different scenes in a particular movie, for example. HDR10 also stipulates a 10-bit color depth for up to 1.07 billion possible colors. And for brightness levels, HDR10 displays aim for 1,000 nits or more.”



Some poster on here claiming lcds are not capable of Dolby vision or hdr are just making things up.


“the brightness requirements are malleable in both Dolby and HDR10 formats. OLED sets, for example, cannot top the brightness levels of LCDs, but because OLEDs offer better contrast at lower light levels, they still qualify as HDR10- and Dolby Vision-compatible sets.”
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The iPad display is low contrast. 10 bit color and metadata and such aren’t as important on a low contrast display.


You may occasionally see a more saturated color in some HDR video if it is supported.
 
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Zimmy68 said:
No, but I did ask Phil Schiller and he said, the best way to judge it is to look at it.
He says he sees no difference so, sucks for us.
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Jeez, that's a terrible answer. Either it does or it doesn't - why can't they just say one or the other?

Also, I own iTunes HDR content that cant be played on my old iPad, and I want to know if it's going to play on this ipad or not.
 
Zimmy68 said:
No, but I did ask Phil Schiller and he said, the best way to judge it is to look at it.
He says he sees no difference so, sucks for us.
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On paper, it sucks that HDR / Dolby Vision are not there... but if I'm completely 100% honest, I never really noticed it either when I had my 10.5" Pro (or my XS Max now).

I can definitely notice it on my TV, though.
 
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I must say the HDR support that came in IOS 11 on iPP confused me at the time as its so subtle you wonder if it’s even there. Could Apple have realized that the compliance was so low on LCDs that it was borderline HDR?
 
Nozuka said:
No i'm saying it is still the same. Last years iPad Pro was never true Dolby Vision / HDR10, just like the XR.

Actually it even says so in that article:

iPhone X and XS (Max) are the only iOS devices that support real HDR.

(well, Apple TV, but it doesn't have its own screen)


Nothing was taken away with the new iPads. It still has the same wide color gamut.

Yes the "video playback" part is completely missing from the specs at the moment, but that does not proof anything.
Or maybe the iPad can no longer playback any video, because it's not mentioned in the specs. ;)
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IIRC Rene Ritchie from iMore said the same thing on Twitter: he had asked Apple about this at the event and the message was that the screens were the same but they were walking back what screens they said had HDR to only those that fully support the official HDR specs without dithering etc. Personally I just envy those with good enough vision to tell 4K from 1080p on a 10.5” screen and who are using their iPad in places with such ideal lighting that they can see the difference between HDR and non-HDR content. ;)
 
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alFR said:
IIRC Rene Ritchie from iMore said the same thing on Twitter: he had asked Apple about this at the event and the message was that the screens were the same but they were walking back what screens they said had HDR to only those that fully support the official HDR specs without dithering etc. Personally I just envy those with good enough vision to tell 4K from 1080p on a 10.5” screen and who are using their iPad in places with such ideal lighting that they can see the difference between HDR and non-HDR content. ;)
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As Steve Jobs was a known Audiophile. I am a novice Videophile. That being said. I am ofended that with an iPad Pro level of tech we are stuck with an 8-bit non HDR10 Display.
It really won't be until OLED 10-bit displays that Apple will shout and tell everyone they Need Dolby Vision and HDR10 because all of the detail and vibrancy they were missing.
 
I was finally decided on getting the iPad 11" but I will hold off for now till I get confirmation on this. Once confirmed it really does not support, I will just stick with my 10.5" iPad
 
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