iPad Pro No H.265 support No Dolby Vision

[Robertjan88]

That’s just complete bs. Your confusing Dolby vision with the uhd 4K spec.

The iPad has p3 Wide colour display and has a 120jz refresh rate.

Dolby vision
“Dolby Vision provides for instructions or metadata that can change from scene to scene, telling the TV when push contrast or boost a particular color. Furthermore, Dolby's maximum spec for consumer TVs goes up to 12-bit color depth for a possible 68 billion colors (versus the old Rec. 709 8-bit color depth that renders just 16.7 million possible colors). On the brightness side, Dolby Vision allows for levels reaching 4,000 nits or more.”

And

“By comparison, HDR10 uses a fixed set of metadata, giving TVs less flexibility on how to handle different scenes in a particular movie, for example. HDR10 also stipulates a 10-bit color depth for up to 1.07 billion possible colors. And for brightness levels, HDR10 displays aim for 1,000 nits or more.”


Some poster on here claiming lcds are not capable of Dolby vision or hdr are just making things up.

“the brightness requirements are malleable in both Dolby and HDR10 formats. OLED sets, for example, cannot top the brightness levels of LCDs, but because OLEDs offer better contrast at lower light levels, they still qualify as HDR10- and Dolby Vision-compatible sets.”

Please also note that the 1000nits is a requirement for TVs. Laptops and tablets e.g. also offer HDR400 (400nits) and HDR600 (600nits).
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Maybe this is why they aren’t specifically mentioning HDR on the website anymore. On my 2017 iPad Pro there is a toggle in iTunes Video Settings to ‘Download HDR Video’ so I wonder if this option will remain on the 2018s. These HDR videos do utilize the wide color gamut of the iPad screens but it’s interesting that they don’t technically meet the brightness or contrast specs of HDR10.

Could someone please check this today?

The screen of the iPad is supporting p3, should be 10bit and around 600nits. This is definitely enough for HDR600 like the previous iPad Pro.

 

[Jensend]

Please also note that the 1000nits is a requirement for TVs. Laptops and tablets e.g. also offer HDR400 (400nits) and HDR600 (600nits).
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Could someone please check this today?

The screen of the iPad is supporting p3, should be 10bit and around 600nits. This is definitely enough for HDR600 like the previous iPad Pro.

The iPad Pro cannot simultaneously show a value of 0.1 nits and a value of 600 nits. With current LCD tech, that requires some kind of local dimming. It is about 4 times the contrast ratio of the iPad Pros.
HDR400 is a joke.
It basically means it’s a good SDR screen. The normal iPads meet that specification, as far as I can tell.

 

[Nozuka]

Many of those are articles from after launch. Did they talk about HDR at launch?

Back then in the presentation it said "HDR video", but with what we know now it just meant "HDR video playback". It was a very cheap way to confuse people.

For comparison, this is how they announced the "real" HDR display on the iPhone X:

 

[M3Jedi77]

It says iPad Pro here: https://www.dolby.com/us/en/categories/tablet.html though that might just mean capable of playing the file, not displaying the color depth.

How / when will anyone definitively determine if it does proper Dolby Vision?

 

[Kal-037]

So?... it will play HDR videos but just won’t have HDR when just using it? Is that what all this means?

 

[Jimx26]

So?... it will play HDR videos but just won’t have HDR when just using it? Is that what all this means?

Looks that way.

 

[Nozuka]

So?... it will play HDR videos but just won’t have HDR when just using it? Is that what all this means?

Maybe we need to talk about what HDR is first, because it seems to be causing alot of confusion.

The short version is, HDR content has a wider dynamic range (i.e. contrast ratio), along with more steps in brightness (for smother transitions and more detail in bright and shadowy areas). Also, usually, HDR is paired with Wide Color Gamut (WCG), which offers a greater range and depth of color.

The iPad is very much capable of displaying HDR content. And it will always display images and videos with as much detail as the display allows. But it will not artificially enhance images to look like HDR, when they are not. Apple always aims for picture accuracy. So the images/videos must be HDR to profit from this

But the definition of HDR is very inprecise and it's hard to compare different displays and their HDR capabilities. And it's also hard for content creators to know what it will actually look like on the users screen. That's why some new standards were born.

Dolby Vision has some requirements that a device needs to meet to be able to get a Dolby Vision certification. This is very easy for OLED to get, because of the big contrast. It takes more effort for LCD, because you need local dimming to get "darker blacks". This will likely increase device thickness and also use more energy, because you need more LEDs to seperately light up different areas.

HDR10 also has some requirements, but i'm not sure how strict they are. But i don't think we need to go into further detail here to understand what's going on.

If content was optimized for Dolby Vision or HDR10 it will also have a wider color gamut than "standard" content (SDR).
And since the display of the iPad can display more colors than SDR provides, apple allows you to watch the HDR content anyway and the added information from Dolby Vision and HDR10 videos are used as much as the display allows. This way you can still profit from higher quality video.

Therefore it is displaying the videos in HDR, but it will be a stripped down version from the Dolby Vision or HDR10 source.

I hope this makes sense to you.

 

[iF34R]

Yeah, at this point, I'm just not going to buy a new iPad this year. I don't like being mislead, and it's just leaving a sour taste for me. I mean, just come right out and say what the display can and can't do. I really don't like having companies play games with how they market something just so they don't have to be clear on what it can and can't do.

As you can see by my sig text, I haven't bought anything new in a couple years and that trend will continue for me at this point.

 

[norge]

So last year (the 10.5 Pro) is now a couple of years?

 

[Jimx26]

Gives the option to watch in HDR. It might not be true HDR but it looks lovely!

 

[H-B0mb]

Can someone try Netflix and see what comes up?

 

[Jimx26]

Can someone try Netflix and see what comes up?

Shows DV or HDR.

 

[H-B0mb]

Shows DV or HDR.

Thanks

 

[alinefx]

Thanks

Yeah but is shows dolby vision logo even on cheap 300 iPad as well, means nothing.

 

[musicpenguy]

Yeah but is shows dolby vision logo even on cheap 300 iPad as well, means nothing.

Does it show the HDR section in the TV app on the cheap iPads? I’d imagine that yes in iTunes Store it would show no matter the device ...

 

[alinefx]

Does it show the HDR section in the TV app on the cheap iPads? I’d imagine that yes in iTunes Store it would show no matter the device ...

Nope. No HDR Section on $300 iPad 9.7, but same account shows HDR movies etc on iPad 11".

Also, just played an HDR file on VLC, plays in true HDR so display is HDR playback capable at least. -

 

[alinefx]

Tried playing back at Dolby Vision file, it won’t display correctly so it’s a safe bet that the display is not Dolby Vision certified

 

[Sakurambo-kun]

There's little point in adding HDR to a 500nit LCD screen. HDR realistically requires 700-1000nits and OLED to work in an impressive way, or if you really want to stick with legacy tech like LCD, then 1500nits+ to compensate for the terrible black levels. It would be a meaningless thing to add to the low end screens Apple sticks in iPads.

 

[donster28]

There's little point in adding HDR to a 500nit LCD screen. HDR realistically requires 700-1000nits and OLED to work in an impressive way, or if you really want to stick with legacy tech like LCD, then 1500nits+ to compensate for the terrible black levels. It would be a meaningless thing to add to the low end screens Apple sticks in iPads.

It will still make a difference, but you have to pump up the brightness and watch in a dark environment to enjoy it.

 

[jamesrick80]

Tried playing back at Dolby Vision file, it won’t display correctly so it’s a safe bet that the display is not Dolby Vision certified

So does it play dolby vision in netflix like on the ipad pro 10.5??????

 

[eclipse01]

So does it play dolby vision in netflix like on the ipad pro 10.5??????

No

 

[Kal-037]

Debate done.

 

[Marshall73]

I played a selection of films on both 10.5 and the new 12.9 from iTunes. All of them were the larger file download for HDR and the picture was identical on both devices in respect to colour, contrast and brightness. Both looked great. If you were impressed with the video image on the 10.5 then you won’t be disappointed with the new pros. I also tested playback in Netflix, again anything in HDR is identical on both iPads, just much bigger on the 12.9, obviously

 

[donster28]

Debate done.

I played a selection of films on both 10.5 and the new 12.9 from iTunes. All of them were the larger file download for HDR and the picture was identical on both devices in respect to colour, contrast and brightness. Both looked great. If you were impressed with the video image on the 10.5 then you won’t be disappointed with the new pros. I also tested playback in Netflix, again anything in HDR is identical on both iPads, just much bigger on the 12.9, obviously

I always thought the new iPads do indeed output HDR. I sampled ‘Bright’ on Netflix and it did exhibit extra bright lights when on screen - an effect only seen on HDR content. Although I had to pump up my 12.9’s brightness to get better results, it’s actually there!

 

[vagos1103gr]

I don’t know if the iPad 10.5 plays true hdr, but definitely the iPad Pro 11 the hdr is better than the 10.5. I made a comparison, left is the 10.5. I don’t know if the pictures are good to justify, but with the naked eye even my wife that doesn’t understand technology she is preferring the colors of the iPad Pro 11.