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THIS. This was the problem I saw months and months ago. Even with "New" Xeon's, they were still based on old tech. Intel (and, well, everyone really) is pushing mobile/low power etc etc so much these days that the big iron machines are suffering. With AMD all but giving up the competition, Intel really has no reason to pump out the extreme high end first. I don't see a change for this anytime soon. The only Ivy Bridge Xeon's out at this point are not suitable for MacPro's anyway.
I and others have seen this as well.

But I did expect one more Tick-Tock with the most recent Xeons (SB-E5 followed by IB-E6) before shifting over to a consumer oriented system, such as something Apple could call the "iMac Pro". Would have made for a better transition in terms of performance and features according to Intel's roadmaps.

But it seems Apple's sales figures were worse than the vast majority thought, and I was looked at as a pessimist in this regard.
 
I'm with you stormj. I am part of that Pro market and I'm not raging about "no real new MacPro". I'M WORKING! On my two-year-old MacPro that is still getting the job done.

Too many people frustrated by the carrot that is Apple and Intel are dangling out in front of them. They are just tools people. USE THEM, DON'T CHASE THEM...

Although the uproar is funny enough to hold me over until the next new episode of Big Bang Theory! :D

While I agree with your sentiment, my 4 year old 8-core MacPro with 16 GBs of RAM was barely cutting it then and simply can't do what I ask of it now. Video standards have doubled (where 1080p was "big" then, 4K is almost as common now) and ray tracing and other features have been added to CS6. My machine is just not enough.

Getting quotes from ProMax right now. Bummer. I, more than most, treat my computer as a big red toolbox but I feel like I'm having to move my tools to the other, shadier toolbox.

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Oh, and that TV show is horrible.
 
Guys what I don't get is we saw a leaked picture of a Thunderbolt storage unit along side a Mac Pro on the App Store.

Would TB be possible with these CPU's?

Was this a fake photo or just a screw up with whoever did the screens?
 
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Things are seriously out of whack when the new laptops have faster memory than the desktops.
I was hoping we would see a repeat of Apple scooping the competition on the new Intel iron such as when the Air came out.
I still can't believe no USB3, TB or updated video. ATI Radeon HD 5870? Serious?
That is an almost 3 year old card!
 
That'd be fine, if THEY'D JUST TELL US!!!!

They need to sell the thousands of "old boxes" so they tweeked it A BIT, and called it new. They are just buying time, but doing it POORLY.

If they said anything they would NEVER sell a desktop between now and the REAL box.

I'm still limping by on a 2008, and would have purchased 2 Desktops had they given me anything more than what I got. One good thing they saved me about 7K already.
 
They did the same thing to FCP users when they introduced FCPX. A lot of speculation on how great the new product is but at the end it is a disappointment. :mad:
 
While I agree with your sentiment, my 4 year old 8-core MacPro with 16 GBs of RAM was barely cutting it then and simply can't do what I ask of it now. Video standards have doubled (where 1080p was "big" then, 4K is almost as common now) and ray tracing and other features have been added to CS6. My machine is just not enough.

Getting quotes from ProMax right now. Bummer. I, more than most, treat my computer as a big red toolbox but I feel like I'm having to move my tools to the other, shadier toolbox.

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Oh, and that TV show is horrible.

I feel for you echoout. I'm not doing video but I know exactly what you mean. I bit the bullet last May and bought my current setup to replace my 2006 1,1 MacPro. I've tweaked it over the last year to pull every bit of performance I can. I see using this box for the next 18 months to two years, realistically. I wish you luck, and I do wish that Apple would bring forth a true, solid Mac Pro upgrade. I'm at the point in my career where I'm winding down into consulting and soon retirement. I won't need that kind of power much longer, but I'm not unsympathetic to those who do.

And c'mon, you gotta love the nerds! BBT! :)
 
Things are seriously out of whack when the new laptops have faster memory than the desktops.
I was hoping we would see a repeat of Apple scooping the competition on the new Intel iron such as when the Air came out.
I still can't believe no USB3, TB or updated video. ATI Radeon HD 5870? Serious?
That is an almost 3 year old card!

I won't lie, the biggest slap in the face with this "update" was the graphics card. I mean it's not that hard to at least give us a current card on the old hardware. Even then Apple could make some money on 1st party aftermarket GPU sales. I bought a 5870 for my 2008 MacPro from Apple.... I'd probably buy a 7000 series card now if they offered it.
 
I won't lie, the biggest slap in the face with this "update" was the graphics card. I mean it's not that hard to at least give us a current card on the old hardware. Even then Apple could make some money on 1st party aftermarket GPU sales. I bought a 5870 for my 2008 MacPro from Apple.... I'd probably buy a 7000 series card now if they offered it.

I totally agree.
If they had put a high-end 7000 series card in it, the update would have been easier to swallow.

imho, The Mac Pro is dead, dead!
I don't think there will be a consumer tower either. It may take a year and a half to bring that machine out. By that time Apple will have figured out that the market for that computer is too small also.
But, not to worry, Apple will bring out a 30 inch iPad Pro.
 
As a video editor I'm annoyed at no thunderbolt/USB 3.0 and updated graphic cards. Can USB be added in?
 
Do any of you guys find it in the realm of possibility that they are trying to sell out their stock of existing Mac Pro inventory (case builds, motherboards, 5770 and 5870 video cards, etc.) so that they will release at least one more model?

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, doesn't the Mac Pro use a customized Apple board roughly based on Intel specs? If that's the case, is it not possible that a Thunderbolt/USB 3.0/eSATA III board could be in development, but it is not practical to do so until there is a major "tock" in the server processor?

Given that Apple may sell...say 50 to 100 thousand Mac Pros a year. As it stands, the profits relative to the iDevices are now small, but they are still profits, because the case has been used for over seven years now, they're using the same board from 2009, etc.

Designing a new board will burn resources that the company has poured heavily into the iDevices and likely the television/next generation consumer media device that they are working on...so maybe Mac Pro gets the Thunderbolt-friendly board (along with a redesign?) when Ivy-Bridge Xeons are available in bulk. Otherwise, as far as CEO Cook, it's not profitable to make a new MacPro, just keep selling what you have until the tech is compelling enough to redesign the thing.

Oh, and one more thing...it is likely the main reason that we do not have a new Mac Pro is because Apple has not created a 5120 x 2880 Retina Thunderbolt Display as of yet. When they do, the new Mac Pro (or its successor) will be waiting for it.

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And with that said, once I sell my 16 gb/GTX 285/2.8 8-core 2008 Mac Pro, I will likely buy the now lower priced 6-core 3.33 model.

The price delta between sale of old/purchase of new has dropped below $2,000.
 
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screw that, I'm buying a top-level 12 core then. I may not be getting the best deal on the planet but with OWC I can get it running to a high enough level for some great 3D and Motion stuff to come out until next year when APPARENTLY there will be some update. By then I'll just sell this machine.

Hmmm.. who knows what will happen? I don't think they will leave the desktops out to dry... apple kills everyone in the technology market, and if desktops are being sold by other companies I am sure that Apple will want to create and market one as well.

..That is what is helping me sleep at night.. because buying a machine that most likely won't exist in the future... doesn't.
 
Guys what I don't get is we saw a leaked picture of a Thunderbolt storage unit along side a Mac Pro on the App Store.

Would TB be possible with these CPU's?

Was this a fake photo or just a screw up with whoever did the screens?

I am fairly sure that photo was leaked back in 2011 and it was probably just a screw up with photoshop.

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As a video editor I'm annoyed at no thunderbolt/USB 3.0 and updated graphic cards. Can USB be added in?

Yes, you can add USB 3 quite easily.

http://www.caldigit.com/FASTA-6GU3/
 
Off to an apple store to stress test a MBP. I might have to grab one of those to tide me over until next years release.

A MP with sata III, and TB, would give us the longevity we had wanted. Now? Not worth it.
 
other features have been added to CS6. My machine is just not enough.

One of the really great things about using Adobe products is that you're not tied to one platform. It feels really free to be able to say "screw you Apple" or "screw you Windows" and to be able to keep working on yesterday's project on whichever platform you decide to keep.

CS6, Office, MakeMKV, Handbrake and VLC mean that while I still prefer Mac I'm not sunk of Apple goes down the tube and Windows 8 turns out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. (W8=good, now there's a fantasy!)
 
One of the really great things about using Adobe products is that you're not tied to one platform. It feels really free to be able to say "screw you Apple" or "screw you Windows" and to be able to keep working on yesterday's project on whichever platform you decide to keep.

CS6, Office, MakeMKV, Handbrake and VLC mean that while I still prefer Mac I'm not sunk of Apple goes down the tube and Windows 8 turns out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. (W8=good, now there's a fantasy!)

Windows 7 is great. From a back end point of view, Windows 8 is pretty good. NTFS is a fair bit faster than HFS+. The UI is the problem though.
 
I won't lie, the biggest slap in the face with this "update" was the graphics card. I mean it's not that hard to at least give us a current card on the old hardware. Even then Apple could make some money on 1st party aftermarket GPU sales. I bought a 5870 for my 2008 MacPro from Apple.... I'd probably buy a 7000 series card now if they offered it.

I agree totally, closely followed by the miserly 1TB HD too!!!
Surely 2TB should be standard now for their 'pro' machine.
2TB HD's are ubiquitous now and can be purchased for about £80, yet Apple would charge me £130 to have it instead of the 1TB drive or £250 to have it as an additional 2nd drive, which is just scandalous!
If Apple had bumped the Graphics card to even a 5870 and fitted 2GB HD as standard, then it would have softened the blow and made the update far more significant, but to count what they have done as an 'update' is really very poor indeed.

I believe Apple have (intentionally?) cannibalised the sales of the Mac Pro by making the tower almost entirely the preserve of the professional.
Now I understand that this is their pro machine, but many people (like me) use pro machines without being 'a pro'.
That's why MacBook pro's are so common place.
Also many (like me) simply prefer to own a tower. I've owned almost every Apple tower since the G3 Blue & White and I'm not a pro - just a keen enthusiast.
I write & record music with Logic, and really benefit from having extra HD's internally (no mains hum - vital when recording).
I also like having the option to choose my displays and having twin optical drive bays (still handy for audio).
Plus I edit Video and do occasional DTP with Photoshop, so having a nice airy box to keep things cool and quiet has been great.
The G4's were terribly noisy, but since the G5's Apple's towers have been very quiet and perfect for the studio.
When the original Mac Pro was announced it could be purchased for under £1399. Expensive, but still an option for those like me who just prefer the flexibility of a tower.
Now the entry level model is £2049 (nearly £700 more) and that's despite it mainly using tech that's been around for over 2 years (sigh).
This makes the option of a tower out of the question for many who would otherwise choose them.

This then self fulfils the prophecy that 'no one wants a desktop anymore' by making them too expensive for 'the many' (ordinary consumer) and too much behind the curve for the 'few' (the pro's).

I accept I'm probably a minority, but I'm not as great a minority as Apple probably thinks I am - there will be many more like me out there.
Apple are ignoring me and my like at their peril.

As the 'keen enthusiast' I'm responsible for my siblings all owning Macs, my business running Macs, my family all owning Macs, iPads, iPods and iPhones too, so I am more than just the sale of just 1 Mac Pro!

By making the Apple tower only affordable by 'the pro' or the wealthy, Apple are effectively culling sales.
By not meeting the expectations of the 'pro' with the hardware, they are losing sales to the 'pro' too.

It's not that 'people don't want towers anymore', it's that 'not many people want the towers Apple are selling at the prices they are selling them for anymore'.

I really hope 2013 is the 'Eureka' year for the Apple desktop, but sadly that seems increasingly unlikely.

C'mon Apple - please please please sort it out.
 
One of the really great things about using Adobe products is that you're not tied to one platform. It feels really free to be able to say "screw you Apple" or "screw you Windows" and to be able to keep working on yesterday's project on whichever platform you decide to keep.

CS6, Office, MakeMKV, Handbrake and VLC mean that while I still prefer Mac I'm not sunk of Apple goes down the tube and Windows 8 turns out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. (W8=good, now there's a fantasy!)
well except the key commands are totally different on Windows and Mac.
It always takes me a while to acclimate when I hop off a PC version of CS5.5 and onto MAC CS5.5.
 
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