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No more nvidia chips in Apple's computer line

tomvos said:
A long time ago I listened to a podcast where Ron Brinkman talked about Shake and Apple. He said the reason Apple bought Shake was to make sure that there was a high quality compositing application for the OS X platform. But once Nuke filled the position Shake once had, Apple no longer felt the need to supply a compositing solution. They were content with the fact that one of the best solutions (Nuke) was available for the OS X platform.
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Final Cut was bought for the same reason. It was originally a Windows and Mac app but after Macromedia demoed it Apple jumped on it to make sure they had an industrial level editing app to compete against others, especially to show off how FireWire could be used to help capture and edit video on set.

Final Cut Pro use has dropped by half in the last 5-6 years. Premiere and Avid still control most seats and Resolve has won a lot of users.
 
bladerunner2000 said:
Reading comprehension and semantics, please improve upon these things if you're going to continue twisting people's words around.
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Reading comprehension and semantics mean more than comparing letters.
Before you accuse me of twisting your words around, you should be aware that falling back to "I didn't say exactly that." means, you don't care for reading comprehension, semantics and logical deduction.
You don't want to argue. You want that everybody agrees with you.
If they don't, you throw Ad hominems at them.
 
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teagls said:
Unfortunately Metal on Mac OS X has turned out to not be that great. The api feels like it's still in infancy, and it's plagued by driver issues just like OpenGL/OpenCL is. In any case OpenGL will be around for quite awhile because so many legacy applications use it. It will take atleast 2 years for Metal to really be ironed out.
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Blizzard is planning to enable metal in World of Warcraft in 2015.
 
iBug2 said:
Blizzard is planning to enable metal in World of Warcraft in 2015.
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We're at the end of 2015... I don't think they'll roll it off in under two month...
Beside, World of Warcraft is on the decline and has been since Cataclysm.
 
JoSch said:
Reading comprehension and semantics mean more than comparing letters.
Before you accuse me of twisting your words around, you should be aware that falling back to "I didn't say exactly that." means, you don't care for reading comprehension, semantics and logical deduction.
You don't want to argue. You want that everybody agrees with you.
If they don't, you throw Ad hominems at them.
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Ok, I see how it is; you're not willing to accept that Apple has alienated Mac Pro users despite all the evidence from even MacRumors forums alone.
 
bladerunner2000 said:
Ok, I see how it is; you're not willing to accept that Apple has alienated Mac Pro users despite all the evidence from even MacRumors forums alone.
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I don't know if you inadvertently or intentionally ignored this post two pages back:

zephonic said:
Maybe English is not your first language?

Because the many complaints here are precisely that, anecdotal evidence.

From dictionary.com:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal-evidence?s=t

Similarly, there are many people here proclaiming satisfaction with their nMP, which constitutes anecdotal evidence of the opposite. Since nobody has any hard data on the numbers of disgruntled cMP owners vs. happy nMP owners, it is fair to suggest the exact ratio is unknown.
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Now you can continue to insist that the many complaints on this forum constitute evidence, but objectively, they do not. And no amount of saber-rattling on your part is going to change that.
 
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linuxcooldude said:
It seems you are not willing to accept some people do like their 2013 Mac Pro, like me and others.
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He does, but you don't seem to be able to accept that for a big number of people that were heavy MP users pre-2013, that the nMP is a crappy alternative to the cMP, and that people have a right to say so even on pro-Apple forum like MR. So in the end it is up to this site moderators to either ban/censor all those that don't like the nMP and are saying so or they don't. If they don't ban them then you have to accept the fact that they have as much right as the pro nMP to express themselves within this internet forum. We'll live by their decision, will you?
 
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goMac said:
Called it months ago. Metal isn't going to save gaming or pro apps on OS X, at least not in it's current form. It's a mobile API that can't take advantage of modern desktop GPU features.

It'll be great for porting Angry Birds to the Mac though!
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Do you think Apple will add Vulkan support to OS X? If so, when?
 
tuxon86 said:
We're at the end of 2015... I don't think they'll roll it off in under two month...
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They said WoW was already running "fine" on Metal. It's seem entirely possible for them to release the port before the end of the year.

At WWDC, Apple mentioned various developers supporting Metal. We know about Blizzard, Epic (we have a UE4 Metal developer posting on this forum), Unity and Aspyr (who both confirmed their support). Feral has been rather quiet about it (and Brad Oliver didn't appear much enthused because of missing features). And lastly we have 2K Games. I'm not sure what they are up to. I didn't know they developed game engines, and I haven't heard anything about them supporting Metal in future titles.
 
jblagden said:
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Do you think Apple will add Vulkan support to OS X? If so, when?
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I would ask: why should it be Apple's responsibility? Microsoft didn't do anything to support Vulkan on Windows. Let the GPU vendors propose drivers and SDKs.
 
jeanlain said:
I would ask: why should it be Apple's responsibility? Microsoft didn't do anything to support Vulkan on Windows. Let the GPU vendors propose drivers and SDKs.
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Oh, okay. I hadn't thought of it that way. It hadn't occurred to me that the GPU vendors could do that. I thought it had to be part of the operating system. Thanks.
 
jblagden said:
Oh, okay. I hadn't thought of it that way. It hadn't occurred to me that the GPU vendors could do that. I thought it had to be part of the operating system. Thanks.
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Oh, it's a very legitimate question. Apple tends to control everything, so they could make it impossible for nVidia/AMD to propose a competing graphics API.
Or maybe Apple is just doing nothing, clearly signifying their partners that they are not interested in Vulkan in any way, so AMD/nVidia just decided that supporting Vulkan isn't worth the effort. Still, they support it on Linux (which has a lower market share), so why not OS X...
At SIGGRAPH in the Vulkan sessions, all platforms were mentioned except Apple's (OS X and iOS). It's not a good sign, but knowing that everything that relates to Apple has to be kept secret, I don't think we can draw any conclusion at this stage.
 
tuxon86 said:
He does, but you don't seem to be able to accept that for a big number of people that were heavy MP users pre-2013, that the nMP is a crappy alternative to the cMP, and that people have a right to say so even on pro-Apple forum like MR. So in the end it is up to this site moderators to either ban/censor all those that don't like the nMP and are saying so or they don't. If they don't ban them then you have to accept the fact that they have as much right as the pro nMP to express themselves within this internet forum. We'll live by their decision, will you?
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Its kind of ironic that Bladerunner2000 keeps on saying JoSch does not acknowledge forum members being unhappy with the nMP, which he did. I don't remember BR2000 ever mentioning that there are people that are happy with theirs. But some how you are now speaking for him.

Don't know why you are talking this drivel about people posting about not liking the nMP. As long as it goes with the terms of service I don't really care. Don't really know what that has to do with me in the first place.
 
tuxon86 said:
He does, but you don't seem to be able to accept that for a big number of people that were heavy MP users pre-2013, that the nMP is a crappy alternative to the cMP, and that people have a right to say so even on pro-Apple forum like MR. So in the end it is up to this site moderators to either ban/censor all those that don't like the nMP and are saying so or they don't. If they don't ban them then you have to accept the fact that they have as much right as the pro nMP to express themselves within this internet forum. We'll live by their decision, will you?
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the conversations are always so one-sided though..

this is something you don't see around here -->
"new macpro is awesome.. old mac pro sucked"
they're more like "old one was sweet.. new one is sweet too"

this is something you do see around here->
"old mac was awesome.. new one sucks"

the first person understands what the others are saying.. as in -- "i understand what you're saying but.. here's another point of view"

the second person doesn't even listen to the other points of view much less consider them.. they're more like "i don't care what you're saying, the new mac sucks"

there's only a chance to talk about one thing.. how crappy it is.. and it's hard for other people to share new ideas under that condition.
 
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flat five said:
the conversations are always so one-sided though..

this is something you don't see around here -->
"new macpro is awesome.. old mac pro sucked"
they're more like "old one was sweet.. new one is sweet too"

this is something you do see around here->
"old mac was awesome.. new one sucks"

the first person understands what the others are saying.. as in -- "i understand what you're saying but.. here's another point of view"

the second person doesn't even listen to the other points of view much less consider them.. they're more like "i don't care what you're saying, the new mac sucks"

there's only a chance to talk about one thing.. how crappy it is.. and it's hard for other people to share new ideas under that condition.
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Exactly. There's a false-equivalence that regularly gets thrown around, and it's b.s.

Like several others have expressed, I just happen to like the nMP and think it's a good computer. I understand and have been respectful of why others don't like it. However, I also have enough perspective on computer history and understanding of the current industry to at least understand why Apple has made some of the choices they've made. That doesn't mean I like them or agree with their reasoning, but to just pretend otherwise is sticking your head in the sand.

I've been accused on multiple occasions of being some sort of Apple fan-boy, but I'll challenge anyone to dig up these supposed posts where I wax poetically about how great Apple is (actually, I could go on for pages about all the things I don't like about Apple hardware and software). I bet the same could be said about most of those in the MP forum who get accused of being Apple sheep. However, on the other side, I could point to hundreds of posts by the "haters", some of whom can't seem to even go a single post without some Apple bashing or just bashing other users.

This forum is one of the least representative groups of Mac Pro users on the planet. Just read through a few threads, and unless you're trying to solve an issue, you'll soon realize that no "smart" person would want to hang around here for very long. Who in their right mind wants to sit around having idiotic arguments with bladerunner2000 and some of these other characters (some of whom don't even use Macs/OS X) - these guys act like total jerks to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I don't like hanging out with jerks. The vast majority of people just interested in having friendly conversations leave and you're mostly left with angry-bitter-frustrated-can't get-over-it cranks just trolling for the next argument and put-down.
 
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ShadovvMoon said:
Sigh. How many threads need to be locked before people stop bickering?
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What and lose the entertainment value.

In reality it is something that will sort itself out over time as the cMP's start to fail, Apple withdraw OSX support for it. Apps move on that make use of newer CPU instructions that aren't available in the cMP processors.

At that point people will move onto the products that meet there needs. ( will be interesting to see how many stick with Apple or move to other solutions )
 
tuxon86 said:
We're at the end of 2015... I don't think they'll roll it off in under two month...
Beside, World of Warcraft is on the decline and has been since Cataclysm.
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They said it themselves in the mac forums more than once already. So yes they will.
 
ixxx69 said:
Exactly. There's a false-equivalence that regularly gets thrown around, and it's b.s.

Like several others have expressed, I just happen to like the nMP and think it's a good computer. I understand and have been respectful of why others don't like it. However, I also have enough perspective on computer history and understanding of the current industry to at least understand why Apple has made some of the choices they've made. That doesn't mean I like them or agree with their reasoning, but to just pretend otherwise is sticking your head in the sand.

I've been accused on multiple occasions of being some sort of Apple fan-boy, but I'll challenge anyone to dig up these supposed posts where I wax poetically about how great Apple is (actually, I could go on for pages about all the things I don't like about Apple hardware and software). I bet the same could be said about most of those in the MP forum who get accused of being Apple sheep. However, on the other side, I could point to hundreds of posts by the "haters", some of whom can't seem to even go a single post without some Apple bashing or just bashing other users.

This forum is one of the least representative groups of Mac Pro users on the planet. Just read through a few threads, and unless you're trying to solve an issue, you'll soon realize that no "smart" person would want to hang around here for very long. Who in their right mind wants to sit around having idiotic arguments with bladerunner2000 and some of these other characters (some of whom don't even use Macs/OS X) - these guys act like total jerks to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I don't like hanging out with jerks. The vast majority of people just interested in having friendly conversations leave and you're mostly left with angry-bitter-frustrated-can't get-over-it cranks just trolling for the next argument and put-down.
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Excuse me? There's been a few guys that have continually LIED about what I've said and twisted my words around while I've made my point very clear over and over again about apple alienating prosumers and thats the ONLY thing I've been trying to get across and YOU insult me by saying im a jerk, angry, bitter, frustrated crank? The hypocrisy from some of you is incredible.
 
bladerunner2000 said:
while I've made my point very clear over and over again about apple alienating prosumers
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tbh, you haven't made a very clear point.. you may think you've made a strong point since you're the one experiencing the emotions but i don't think the words are drawing a clear picture to others.

they 'screwed' you over? ok.. to me, that sounds as if you spent money on apple products in order to do some tasks then apple cut off the ability to do the task.. they took your money and didn't deliver on the arrangement (or whatever).
when i read you saying 'apple screwed me over', that ^ is what the words sound like.. is that what happened to you?

i also don't get what you mean by alienating prosumers.
because apple's lineup right now is probably better for the prosumer crowd than it has ever been.

but then again, this could be a misunderstanding of the word 'prosumer'.. to me, these days-- a prosumer is basically anybody buying/using a laptop or desktop computer.. and the non-prosumer does what they need to do on a phone or tablet.

anyway.. just saying that i don't think you've made any clear point.. not saying you don't have a point.. just that your words aren't illustrating one.
 
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