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No more nvidia chips in Apple's computer line

MacVidCards said:
To the sane and logical folks out there.

As has been evidenced on many, MANY occasions on this board and now MULTIPLE gibbering nonsensical rants in this very thread, we can't win the discussion despite the obvious facts. When you have an opponent who is incapable of admitting defeat you have to just stop feeding the troll.
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if i'm wrong about something, i'll say so.. i have no problem with that.
if i'm wrong about something but that something is actually a figment of your imagination, then i don't know what to tell you.

what, exactly, am i to admit defeat about?

what, exactly, do you think my point is?
 
pl595 said:
My point was security torx bits offer no security because the appropriate tool can be easily purchased at common places like Home Depot and your local hardware store. I make no other statement express or implied.
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No security against the informed tinkerer, that is. Good security against Joe Six-pack.

You have to get into mid-range driver sets to even see standard Torx bits - and including security Torx in sets is uncommon before the top tier.

The average Joe won't know that security sets exists - he'll give up or use VISE-GRIP® pliers on the screws.

ps: I have the 62 piece kit http://frys.com/product/3645155?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
 
I'll just leave this here....

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AidenShaw said:
No security against the informed tinkerer, that is. Good security against Joe Six-pack.

You have to get into mid-range driver sets to even see standard Torx bits - and including security Torx in sets is uncommon before the top tier.

The average Joe won't know that security sets exists - he'll give up or use VISE-GRIP® pliers on the screws.

ps: I have the 62 piece kit http://frys.com/product/3645155?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
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No, there is no security against Joe Six-pack either. Joe Six-pack can head down to the hardware store and pick up the appropriate bits. There is zero security offered by these bits. Stop trying to pretend there is.
 
pl595 said:
My point was security torx bits offer no security because the appropriate tool can be easily purchased at common places like Home Depot and your local hardware store. I make no other statement express or implied.
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And since I can easily buy a Slim Jim at many places, that must mean a car door lock isn't meant to keep anyone out either. Wait til the lawyers get ahold of this, lots of stereo boosters will be getting out of jail.

And now that we have all stated our positions on logical thought with the ability to use reason, I will post some screenshots.
 
My dad spent his entire life as an electronic technician. Anybody with a flathead screwdriver can become Joe, the armchair technician. Many armchair technicians came to him after realizing you also need some specialized training along with the right tools for the right job. These security screws, are designed to deter these weekend repairmen.
 
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linuxcooldude said:
My dad spent his entire life as an electronic technician. Anybody with a flathead screwdriver can become Joe, the armchair technician. Many armchair technicians came to him after realizing you also need some specialized training along with the right tools for the right job. These security screws, are designed to deter these weekend repairmen.
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Thank you !

A voice of reason.
 
MacVidCards said:
I agree wholeheartedly. "the most user friendly standard screw available" is ridiculous. You have added nothing to this, or any other rational discussion. Don't let the door...you know.
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The most user friendly screw available!

You know, besides all the other much more user friendly screws. Like normal Torx.

pl595 said:
I can't speak to whether Apple intended people to change these GPUs or not but I don't think we can reach the conclusion they did not merely based on the fact they used a "security" screw given tools to remove said screw are easily obtainable.
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Besides the screws, they're thermal pasted in. They're not meant to be replaced by users.

Also, as others have noted, all user serviceable repairs are always described in the manual. Where int the new Mac Pro manual does it describe changing the GPUs?
 
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MacVidCards said:
And since I can easily buy a Slim Jim at many places, that must mean a car door lock isn't meant to keep anyone out either. Wait til the lawyers get ahold of this, lots of stereo boosters will be getting out of jail.

And now that we have all stated our positions on logical thought with the ability to use reason, I will post some screenshots.
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I can pick up a Slim Jim at Home Depot? Try as I might I cannot see any for sale there. Perhaps I'm missing something. Can you provide me with a link to where I can purchase a Slim Jim at Home Depot or any other big box retailer?
 
linuxcooldude said:
My dad spent his entire life as an electronic technician. Anybody with a flathead screwdriver can become Joe, the armchair technician. Many armchair technicians came to him after realizing you also need some specialized training along with the right tools for the right job. These security screws, are designed to deter these weekend repairmen.
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Deter? You mean deter as in jumping in the car and driving to the local hardware store to pick up the appropriate tool? Seriously guys...there's absolutely no deterrent here when one can get in the car and buy the appropriate tool from any number of common places.
 
goMac said:
Besides the screws, they're thermal pasted in. They're not meant to be replaced by users.

Also, as others have noted, all user serviceable repairs are always described in the manual. Where int the new Mac Pro manual does it describe changing the GPUs?
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I think I've said this before but perhaps I didn't...I make no suggestion as to whether Apple intended end users to replace the GPUs or not. My comments are strictly limited to the fact these bits in question are easily obtained and offer absolutely no security over any other form of screw. That is all.
 
If they were not intended as a security screw why were they made and used in the first place? You and flats argumentative attitude is pathetic.
pl595 said:
I think I've said this before but perhaps I didn't...I make no suggestion as to whether Apple intended end users to replace the GPUs or not. My comments are strictly limited to the fact these bits in question are easily obtained and offer absolutely no security over any other form of screw. That is all.
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avkdm said:
If they were not intended as a security screw why were they made and used in the first place? You and flats argumentative attiude is pathetic.
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Perhaps they were made as a security screw when originally made. However they aren't now and haven't been for quite some time. They can be purchased at most any place that sells tools. Expecting them to offer any form of security is naive. Period. This isn't even in question. Accept it and move on.
 
A good quote I have seen elsewhere, it goes something like this "never argue with an idiot - they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
 
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avkdm said:
A good quote I have seen elsewhere, it goes something like this "never argue with an idiot - they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
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Yeah but here I am anyway arguing with you guys.
 
pl595 said:
Deter? You mean deter as in jumping in the car and driving to the local hardware store to pick up the appropriate tool? Seriously guys...there's absolutely no deterrent here when one can get in the car and buy the appropriate tool from any number of common places.
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I said deter, not stop. You would be surprised at how many people will try to use a butter knife to remove screws only to slip and break circuit traces and electronic components in the process.
 
goMac said:
The most user friendly screw available!

You know, besides all the other much more user friendly screws. Like normal Torx.
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i'm pretty sure you and i have different interpretations of the term 'user friendly'.

for clarity, can you describe what you mean by saying a security torx is less user friendly than torx? and also how it's any less or more user friendly than slotted or robertson or phillips or allen?

if you take the time to answer that with the goal of improving communication, then communication will improve.. if you don't clarify after i've asked for clarification, i don't have much of a choice but to assume the bickering is happening for the sake of bickering.. in which case.. carry on, i suppose.

also for clarity -- when i said 'The most user friendly screw available' ..i was referring to torx in general.. not any particular type or size.


Besides the screws, they're thermal pasted in. They're not meant to be replaced by users.

Also, as others have noted, all user serviceable repairs are always described in the manual. Where int the new Mac Pro manual does it describe changing the GPUs?
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likewise, where in the classic mac pro manual does it describe how to swap a cpu.. or a power supply unit?
i don't think it does-- so are we to consider those parts not to be user serviceable? or are they in fact user serviceable?
 
flat five said:
likewise, where in the classic mac pro manual does it describe how to swap a cpu.. or a power supply unit?
i don't think it does-- so are we to consider those parts not to be user serviceable? or are they in fact user serviceable?
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Given the emphasis on security torx versus non-security torx I'd be interested in hearing the explanation of Apple using a regular torx screw for parts of the nMP which do not appear to have any end user serviceable purpose.
 
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