No Multitaksing on iPhone 3G/Touch 2G

[sers]

Looks like no 4.0 upgrade is available for 1st gen users.

I've got a 3g so some upgrades will work. As a minimum, I'm sure the unified inbox, opening email attachments, creating folders and customizing the wallpaper will work on the 3G. After this upgrade, my 3g will still be useful for quite some time. Heck, I'm happy with the phone the way it is. This will just make it better.

On a side note, I'm sure Apple could make 4.0 work across all devices, but they want you to upgrade your hardware. They are in business to make money, after all, and need to keep their shareholders happy.

 

[Revelation78]

It's Apple trying to give 2G users one final push into upgrading and leaving the original model behind.

There's no excuse for not giving original iPhone users the 4.0 update if they're giving it to 3G users. There's only one reason ... to hammer the final nail into the original iPhone's coffin and force it's owners to move on.

Which, being honest, is unfair if you're happy with your device.

Apple has to stop developing for it sometime. Life itself isn't fair...

 

[beamer8912]

Which, being honest, is unfair if you're happy with your device.

A lot of people were happy with Windows XP, but technology advances and you can't expect support forever.

 

[WeegieMac]

Apple has to stop developing for it sometime. Life itself isn't fair...

I agree that life isn't fair ... however using a mobile phone and it's firmware as an example of why, is perhaps wide of the mark. There's more important things than the iPhone.

As I've said to others, it's only a mobile phone at the end of the day.

 

[WeegieMac]

A lot of people were happy with Windows XP, but technology advances and you can't expect support forever.

I never said I expect support forever, do people on here like twisting people's words? I've never known a forum like it.

 

[goosnarrggh]

I might be wrong but don't the 2G and 3G basically have the same amount of memory and CPU speed?
If that's the case, why won't the 2G get the update to begin with?

[edit] You're right, the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G have the same computational and RAM capabilities. The technological challenges of delivering OS4 for the original iPhone would have been exactly the same as those of delivering OS4 to the iPhone 3G. And the result would have been the same crippled, non-multitasking version of OS4. Why, then, don't they release it for the original iPhone? [/edit]

Because Apple's been using a trick of accounting to be able to deliver OS upgrades to the original iPhone without charging for them - setting aside some of the money from the original sale of the phone, to use to "pay for" any future upgrades.

The money they set aside has dried up. So if they were going to offer any future upgrades for the original iPhone, they would have to start charging users directly for them -- like they do for major upgrades on the iPod touch.

iPhone users, accustomed to getting all their OS upgrades for free, would probably not react well to that. Especially since their iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS brethren would not have to pay for it.

Apple doesn't want to muddy the waters by charging a fee for OS4 for some iPhone customers and giving it away for free to others. They probably think (and are probably right) that it's just easier and less damaging to their public image to simply cut off upgrades to the older equipment entirely.

And, having made the decision to cut off the original iPhone, it just makes sense to cut off its closest cousin, the original iPod touch, in the iPod ecosystem at the same time,

 

[H00513R]

Not really surprising that they are pushing new(er) products. Plus it's so much harder to get the old products to run all the new stuff.

 

[Revelation78]

I agree that life isn't fair ... however using a mobile phone and it's firmware as an example of why, is perhaps wide of the mark. There's more important things than the iPhone.

As I've said to others, it's only a mobile phone at the end of the day.

How is it "wide of the mark?" You introduced the notion that is isn't fair - I only further elaborated on your notion.

I never said I expect support forever, do people on here like twisting people's words? I've never known a forum like it.

No one is twisting anything... People are making comments on your comments. If you aren't happy with people's responses you should think twice before spewing your own irrelevant thoughts.

 

[beamer8912]

I never said I expect support forever, do people on here like twisting people's words? I've never known a forum like it.

Does my choice in vocabulary really matter that much to you? The point is still very clear. There isn't much sense in Apple supporting a device 3 generations old. They don't make any profit from it, and it in fact holds them back since the lowest common denominator is that much lower.

Do people on here like whining when they can't get their way?

 

[iphone1105]

Just so peeps know, I didnt start this thread as a complaint or rant. I just started it to open it up to discussion. I'm fine with every version of the iPhone, regardless of the OS. I just wanted a discussion to spark up once Mr Jobs announced it. Heck, I planned on staying with my JB'd 3G until Jan 2011 anyway! (got to save for my car!). Cheers all!

 

[jmckechnie]

In short?

Everything except multitasking.

So we'll get Folders, iBooks, the new UI/dock, wallpapers for home/lock screens, Game Center, iAd's.

All that, just no multitasking, which I wasn't expecting in the first place.

I'm ok with that. Multitasking on the 3g would end up being a battery hog.

 

[elie.fares]

It's Apple trying to give 2G users one final push into upgrading and leaving the original model behind.

There's no excuse for not giving original iPhone users the 4.0 update if they're giving it to 3G users. There's only one reason ... to hammer the final nail into the original iPhone's coffin and force it's owners to move on.

Which, being honest, is unfair if you're happy with your device.

Well, i have never had trouble with my 2G, which I got in 2007. My aunt sent me the 3GS as a gift from Australia and its reception is basically zero. So I find my 2G to be much more reliable. I'm sad that I won't get any of the new features - even iBook, which is basically a simple app.

 

[WeegieMac]

Does my choice in vocabulary really matter that much to you? The point is still very clear. There isn't much sense in Apple supporting a device 3 generations old. They don't make any profit from it, and it in fact holds them back since the lowest common denominator is that much lower.

Do people on here like whining when they can't get their way?

Again, I'm not whining because I can't "get my own way".

I've stated time and again, as a 3G owner I never expected multitasking and I'm not on here whining about it.

I simply said that, if I were an original iPhone user I'd be annoyed because the 3G is getting 4.0 and it's identical hardware specifications bar 3G/GPS.

That's it.

 

[WeegieMac]

How is it "wide of the mark?" You introduced the notion that is isn't fair - I only further elaborated on your notion.



No one is twisting anything... People are making comments on your comments. If you aren't happy with people's responses you should think twice before spewing your own irrelevant thoughts.

My thoughts are no more irrelevant than yours, it's a discussion forum.

I didn't "introduce" any "notion", I simply said that from a 2G iPhone owners point of view it could be viewed as "unfair" that the 3G gets 4.0 and the 2G doesn't, simply because they're identical aside from 3G/GPS.

I own a 3G, I never expected multitasking, I'm not on here to bitch. There are others who WILL be on here to moan about how Apple "screwed" them and their 3G over ... save your pompous overtones for them.

I'm doing my best to discuss here, and it's becoming increasingly difficult ... as usual on here.

Oh and why is your comment about "life isn't fair" wide of the mark?

My aunt dying from a brain haemorrhage at 39 proves that life isn't fair.

My gran dying from a stroke at 69 proves that life isn't fair.

A mobile phone not multitasking proves nothing.

THAT is why it's wide of the mark.

 

[Bat Commander]

I figured this would be the case. The iPhone 3G doesn't have much RAM in it and it slows down enough as it is.

 

[beamer8912]

Again, I'm not whining because I can't "get my own way".

I've stated time and again, as a 3G owner I never expected multitasking and I'm not on here whining about it.

I simply said that, if I were an original iPhone user I'd be annoyed because the 3G is getting 4.0 and it's identical hardware specifications bar 3G/GPS.

That's it.

Plain and simple, dragging out the life of the 2G iPhone slows everyone down. Apple still has to account for the 2G in its updates, and devs have to choose who to cater to. It becomes one less thing to worry about.

It was only a matter of time, and at least this way both 2G and 3G owners can upgrade relatively inexpensively.

 

[macsimo]

Barring creating a Verizon or Sprint iPhone, it's by design to get you to buy a new iPhone. The market is pretty well saturated with iPhones (2G, 3G, 3GS). It's the only way Apple can sell more phones until they develop the new LTE technology, which isn't ready for prime time yet. I don't buy the hardware, RAM limitations, etc. The whole point of the presentation was to showcase multitasking. They accomplished this by trimming the operation to save battery power.

 

[Pared]

Again, I'm not whining because I can't "get my own way".

I've stated time and again, as a 3G owner I never expected multitasking and I'm not on here whining about it.

I simply said that, if I were an original iPhone user I'd be annoyed because the 3G is getting 4.0 and it's identical hardware specifications bar 3G/GPS.

That's it.

If you're an original iPhone user, it would be pretty silly to expect a full upgrade 3 years after your bought your phone.

It's a business model, and the life expectancy of the 2G is done. Time to upgrade this summer, and quit complaining about things not in your control.

 

[WeegieMac]

If you're an original iPhone user, it would be pretty silly to expect a full upgrade 3 years after your bought your phone.

It's a business model, and the life expectancy of the 2G is done. Time to upgrade this summer, and quit complaining about things not in your control.

Listen, and stop being thick.

I'm not complaining, but by God I don't half repeat myself a lot on here because of people too thick to read what's in front of them.

I'm not a 2G owner. I'm a 3G owner who didn't expect and understand Apple's decision not to include multitasking on my device.

So shut up before I do start complaining ... and it won't be anything iPhone related.

READ the post before quoting and running your mouth at people. I know about business models, I'm simply expressing a point of view that because the 3G and the 2G are identical aside from the 3G/GPS chip, I could understand if owners of that device were pissed off. You've just assumed I'm a 2G owner and are telling me my phone is three years old and that I should upgrade.

 

[bstpierre]

Listen, and stop being thick.

I'm not complaining, but by God I don't half repeat myself a lot on here because of people too thick to read what's in front of them.

I'm not a 2G owner. I'm a 3G owner who didn't expect and understand Apple's decision not to include multitasking on my device.

So shut up before I do start complaining ... and it won't be anything iPhone related.

READ the post before quoting and running your mouth at people. I know about business models, I'm simply expressing a point of view that because the 3G and the 2G are identical aside from the 3G/GPS chip, I could understand if owners of that device were pissed off. You've just assumed I'm a 2G owner and are telling me my phone is three years old and that I should upgrade.

You might want to read the first phrase of his post again. It says "If you are an original iPhone user,". He was doing the same thing you did in your original post, commenting on how an original iPhone user would react (or should react). You are not an original iPhone user so he is not telling you your phone is three years old and you should upgrade.

 

[techguy866]

It would be a disaster

You would probably go nuts if they put multitasking on your 3G. As if you don't already scream "why is this thing so slow!" on a daily basis, imagine if it was 100x worse because of multitasking. It simply isn't powerful enough. Get a 3GS, sell your 3G on craigslist, and all will be merry.

 

[outcastrc]

You would probably go nuts if they put multitasking on your 3G. As if you don't already scream "why is this thing so slow!" on a daily basis, imagine if it was 100x worse because of multitasking. It simply isn't powerful enough. Get a 3GS, sell your 3G on craigslist, and all will be merry.

I can't see how saying it will slow down on a 3g is a valid comment. 1000's of true multitasking jailbroken 3g iphones prove it is wrong. Sure if you try to load a dozen apps at once it slows you down. But realistically a person only wants / needs to run 2 or 3 small apps at a time.

What Apple has concocted isn't even true multitasking (as in letting 3rd party do what they want) Nothing has changed, apple apps and os can mutlitask... 3rd party cannot... Its just a fancier version of push...

Simple math for me, Apple doesn't WANT 3G to have it. They WANT me to upgrade... They may get their wish, right to a different phone...

 

[aristobrat]

3gs gets a limited api pretend to be multitask? Pathetic...

Androids looking better and better!

Android has its own issues, like Google shipping a new version of the Android OS on a new piece of hardware, and that new version of Android not being made available for other Android phones.

How long did Droid owners sit in the dark wondering if 2.1 would be released for their hardware, after the Nexus One got it?

The T-Mobile G1 Android phone isn't even two years old yet, and it can't officially run Android OS 2.1. Pathetic?

 

[emir]

I am starting to lose faith to Apple. They are failing me since June 2009

June 2009- A pointless device iPhone 3Gs
January 2010 - Another pointless device, iPad
February 2010 - Making us wait A LOT for the new MBPs(still waiting)
April 2010 - Supporting only the pointless device iPhone 3gs for os 4.0

Things were going so great till 2009. Every product they made was a success. However every product they make these days are failure!

 

[RiceRacerDX]

Deeming the 3GS update from the 3G as "pointless" is similar to saying that the Macbook Pro is pointless when a normal Macbook will do. Old technology is old technology and just like someone already pointed out...you can't expect support for an old device to last forever.