There is such a thing as being right. I know this is the internet where everyone thinks their opinion is valid. But there is a difference between right and opinion.
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No new M3 Mac Studio. No new adult size iMac…. for YEARS.
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Timmy doesn’t think you need an updated iMac. I have loved my iMacs over the years... I have an M2 Studio, and it's more than enough for what I need, but I just don't understand Apple's reluctance to actively support the desktop Mac market space. No way I'm paying $1500-2000 for a Studio Display of the various options... just give me a 27-32" all-in-one device and call it a day.
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The refurbished M2 Studios are in very short supply. Mostly M1 Studios on the refurb store.
One possible reason that there is no 27” imac is that there aren’t very many 27” 5k displays being manufactured
Or 5k displays at all far that matter
Most people are happy with 4k and most people want larger monitors so that’s what is being manufactured
If Apple were to fix its ui scaling to work on any size/resolution display, like it used to, then they would have more options
Or 5k displays at all far that matter
Most people are happy with 4k and most people want larger monitors so that’s what is being manufactured
If Apple were to fix its ui scaling to work on any size/resolution display, like it used to, then they would have more options
Unless you record audio in the same room as your computer.
...not that anyone would ever conceive of doing such a thing.
You have to go to a Mac Studio and whatever screen is suitable if you want a large display with a “desktop” (ie, meaning not a laptop). Shame because the iMacs with 5K screens were nice to use.
I’m okay with the Macs I have - they run fine doing what needs to be done. Another 2019 Mac Pro will be on the way (also a 28 core) but after that going back to PC world after Apple burned me recently.
Nothing they have now suits my needs.
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Without any evidence or any proof . lol
I suppose there are two things here: (I) correcting someone's misplaced opinion or spurious assertion need not be rude or rancorous and (2) you have to be pretty certain you are right, and not simply peddling your own equally questionable take on the particular matter. In my experience, people who consistently claim to be right are rarely correct. You of course may be the exception to the rule. This does not mean all opinions are valid; some are indeed fallacious and stupid.
I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that they are having a hard time finding a Mac that has the processing power, storage, gpu and connectivity that they would like at a reasonable price
I had the same struggle last year and ended up building one last hackintosh.
Luck was on my side for one more year as sequioa runs great on intel still
Using Blender GPU rendering as a cross-platform, productivity-focussed benchmark, the M2 Ultra (60-core version, the only one listed) gets 2777. That's less than an RTX 3060Ti. Anyone needing serious GPU grunt therefore needs to be looking beyond the Mac platform, full stop.
Macs have strong CPUs, but the GPUs are weak in absolute terms. And of course, once you start including decent levels of internal storage, the prices spiral out of control. When I built my PC last summer, I included 4TB of blazing fast (7000+MB/s) storage for about £270; I hate to think what Apple would charge for the same.
I had a Late 2011, i7, Quad-Core iMac, that had been upgraded to a 2TB SSD, and upgraded the RAM to 24GB. It was "Obsolete", and I couldn't upgrade the OS, or wait any longer. In December 2022, I jumped for a Refurbished 2020 27" iMac, with the 10-Core i9 Intel Chip, Radeon 5700XF w/16GB of VRAM, 8TB SSD, and the Nano-Texture Screen. It has been a tremendous decision, as I don't want Separate Mac/Screen/KB, which is why i bought the 27" iMac, the Screen is Fabulous in Detail, with non Glare, and it's very Fast. I couldn't wait any longer, and I don't want to be pushed into buying anything except what I WANT OR NEED. I bought Three Years of Apple Care+, so I'm fine, with my M1 Max MBPro, 16", with 32 Graphics Cores, 64 GB of RAM, and a 4TB SSD. I didn't care if Apple came out with the M2 or M3 unless than a Year later, and I don't have to worry about what Apple is going to do, for the next few years. Apple screwed us on the Bad Graphics cards the 17" Mac Book Pro, and the 27" iMacs. I stuck with them out of Love for Mac OS and their Superior Hardware designs.
I totally understand your affection for the 27" iMacs. I had the exact same 27" 2011 iMac you had, and loved it. Even though I had to have it replaced after two years because of a then undiagnosed graphics card defect (yay AppleCare), and then the replacement died for the same reason 3 years later (out of warranty, and too expensive to repair). Finally got a 2019 27" iMac, maxed out the RAM to 128GB, and the motherboard failed after 3 years (just out of warranty... ouch!).
The 27" iMac was great, though it was not without compromises I just got used to working around. Being free of those compromises (few ports, fan noise {never too loud, but for recording no sound at all is better}, and having to replace the entire computer when the graphics card failed) has been eye-opening.
I fought myself because I had my heart set on another 27" iMac that doesn't exist. I finally "settled" for a M2 Max Mac Studio and a Studio Display, and it was the best decision I've ever made buying a computer. My main reservation was going from 128GB RAM down to 32GB. That astoundingly has not been an issue. In a year and a half the Mac Studio hasn't used swap memory once! I've basically got the same screen - Vesa mounted so the ergonomics are MUCH more comfortable (and no chin!), more ports, more power, it's reasonably future-proofed, and dead silent.
So sometimes going with the flow is actually a good thing.
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I prefer a separate computer and screen too, though to be fair, the iMac wasn't £3600+. If the Studio was £1200 and the display were £800, people would likely find it easier to move on.
Something else for folks wanting to move on from higher spec iMacs - what about going for a new or excellent condition 2019 Mac Pro? IPowerResale has a few of those and you can configure them as you wish. Then get the screen you want.
For a new one - never used you should still be able to get AppleCare for it.
I asked them to do that and wanted a W6800X Duo GPU - they didn’t have one but ordered it from Apple.
This should keep you going for years longer and might be easier than building a hackintosh.
For a new one - never used you should still be able to get AppleCare for it.
I asked them to do that and wanted a W6800X Duo GPU - they didn’t have one but ordered it from Apple.
This should keep you going for years longer and might be easier than building a hackintosh.
I think the power to price ratio of building a new pc to hackintosh far outweighs the small amount of effort it takes to get macOS running on 14xxx Intel + 6xxx AMD
and will presumably be supported for the same amount of time
Just as long as those keep being available. For what it's worth, I continue to press Apple on getting support for 7000 series AMD (and the Radeon Pro derivatives) for those Mac users who need them.
Might not get anywhere but I'll be noisy about it instead if "they won't do anything, so why bother".
The problem with 6000 series and the MPX modules especially is they are getting hard to find. The lower level MPX cards not so bad but the top ones like 6800/6800Duo/6900 very rare and still very expensive. Getting 7000 series support would be great to kill the prices on those older MPXs.
well I take your point, I was speaking specifically to building a new pc to hackintosh, and good (not mpx) 6xxx were still relatively cheap and plentiful last time I looked
I'd love to see 7xxx support obviously, but really can't imagine that actually happening
I started doing AI development recently, and my M2 Pro Mac Mini is not giving me the performance I'd like. I just looked at the Studios as a possible replacement, and it's a bit depressing that the best I can do is another chip in the M2 line, and I'd have to pay $4000+ for the privilege of a small upgrade. And there's not supposed to be another Studio (if there is one) until 2025. I hate to say it, but I'm wondering if I need to get a Windows box for my AI work. Apple doesn't seem interested. 
Mac Pros are a terrible value bordering on a complete rip-off and I'm not sure why anyone would buy one other than to display it as a vanity object. None of the Macbooks have the power I need, plus I do not need an additional Macbook (I have two). I get that Apple doesn't make a lot of money on desktops, but yesterday I actually visited dell.com, and I really hate Windows.
Mac Pros are a terrible value bordering on a complete rip-off and I'm not sure why anyone would buy one other than to display it as a vanity object. None of the Macbooks have the power I need, plus I do not need an additional Macbook (I have two). I get that Apple doesn't make a lot of money on desktops, but yesterday I actually visited dell.com, and I really hate Windows.
Going from M2 Pro to M2 Ultra isn't a "small upgrade". Even the M2 Max is a notable upgrade, but I understand your point.I started doing AI development recently, and my M2 Pro Mac Mini is not giving me the performance I'd like. I just looked at the Studios as a possible replacement, and it's a bit depressing that the best I can do is another chip in the M2 line, and I'd have to pay $4000+ for the privilege of a small upgrade. And there's not supposed to be another Studio (if there is one) until 2025. I hate to say it, but I'm wondering if I need to get a Windows box for my AI work. Apple doesn't seem interested.
Mac Pros are a terrible value bordering on a complete rip-off and I'm not sure why anyone would buy one other than to display it as a vanity object. None of the Macbooks have the power I need, plus I do not need an additional Macbook (I have two). I get that Apple doesn't make a lot of money on desktops, but yesterday I actually visited dell.com, and I really hate Windows.
I need to get a Windows box for my AI work. Apple doesn't seem interested.
You should.
The 7,1 is my last Mac - the new ones don’t do what I need them to do.
I actually wasn’t going to get another 7,1 but it was a way to get the GPU upgrade I wanted (new from Apple via a reseller) given the deliberate restrictions by Apple on GPU support for Macs that can run them. And they are egged on by supporters who see Apple silicon as a devotion more than a tool to get work done.
Go look at Lenovo or HP workstations as well.
I started doing AI development recently, and my M2 Pro Mac Mini is not giving me the performance I'd like. I just looked at the Studios as a possible replacement, and it's a bit depressing that the best I can do is another chip in the M2 line, and I'd have to pay $4000+ for the privilege of a small upgrade. And there's not supposed to be another Studio (if there is one) until 2025. I hate to say it, but I'm wondering if I need to get a Windows box for my AI work. Apple doesn't seem interested.
Mac Pros are a terrible value bordering on a complete rip-off and I'm not sure why anyone would buy one other than to display it as a vanity object. None of the Macbooks have the power I need, plus I do not need an additional Macbook (I have two). I get that Apple doesn't make a lot of money on desktops, but yesterday I actually visited dell.com, and I really hate Windows.
Build your own
That’s the best value and get exactly what you need and want
Get a 6xxx amd gpu and you can still run macos