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Nokia EOS - Confirmed - 41 MP Camera
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The main difference is the 808 has a larger 1/1.2" sensor compared to the 1020's 1/1.5". The 1020's is backside illuminated though and has a bunch of other improvements. So who knows. I think we'll have to wait for comparisons.
One thing I'm curious about is the 1020's macro ability. The HTC One was actually better than the 808 at shooting macro
Do you know if a 1020 is as good of a camera as a Canon 300 ELPH digital camera? I would love to replace it for taking it out to parties.
It's a bummer that Microsoft have been slow on the hardware support side of Windows Phone, I'd imagine having a quad core SoC wit the 1020 would boost the processing time for those massive images it takes.
Do I dare say it's also time for faster hardware to be supported on Windows Phone, despite it's not necessary? Yeah, I think it's time!
Kudos to Nokia for pushing the boundary.
Do I dare say it's also time for faster hardware to be supported on Windows Phone, despite it's not necessary? Yeah, I think it's time!
Kudos to Nokia for pushing the boundary.
Yes.
And having looked at more samples, I have to say 808's pictures are much better.
1020 seems to be sharing the same camera IQ and algorithms as 920, which made pictures very grainy, noisy and with an oil painting like look. 1020's pictures all share the same traits as 920.
Not impressed so far.
It's just a shame that Nokia is being held back by Microsoft. Minor updates to WP8 are coming shortly, but apparently a major refresh or major updates won't be here until 2014. Quite a bummer for MS, as it seems they've missed the boat.
Yes exactly! Microsoft need a massive kick up the ass to speeds things up, Apple and Google aren't stopping and letting them play catch up. Maybe the restructuring going on will help in the long term.
I really don't know because I'm not familiar with the Canon.
I have 3 point and shoots I use - an old $400 Lumix (incredible CCD), a Fujifilm W3 (takes 3D photos), and an Olympus TG-2 (a tough cam), and the 1020 can't replace any of them.
But I use my smartphone cam a lot at events (bdays, graduations, weddings) and pictures are usually horrible, esp in low light. The 1020 would be a perfect replacement. I would trade up my 8X for it but I'm on Verizon.
Another cool thing Nokia is doing next year is they're integrating Lytro tech into a smartphone. This looks really promising
Nokia doesn't have optical zoom, and I'd take that over any amount of cropping a 41MP output or oversampled (a.k.a. pixel-binned) 5MP.
It would be very interesting if they could combine over sampling, IOS, and Pelican array camera.
I think, all things considered, I'm not going with the 1020. The 1020 is a fantastic phone, best industrial design of any phone besides perhaps iPhone, great OS (strictly my opinion), Gorilla Glass 3, much lighter than the 920, one of the best screens in the industry (don't give me that 1080p bologna), solid amount of ram, and now the best camera bar none of any phone on the market right now.
But I am not getting it for two reasons:
1. The price, $300 on contract is just too much
2. While the camera is the best camera in any smartphone, I'm going to hold off on buying a phone that is centered around the camera UNTIL I can completely replace my digital camera. Not yet. Soon though.
windows phones need more apps, bigger screen, more customization features, more UI tweaks and features, better processors, better displays, etc.
why are they only concentrating on the camera.
why are they only concentrating on the camera.
I really think this is an intermediate phone for Nokia, I think certainly this late fall/winter they will come out with a brand new device with the upgraded internals and such, and in Q1 2014 Microsoft will be updating WP8.
I am not an engineer, but it seems to me that the 41MP is a gimmick. It sounds like they are combining the data from 41MP of sensors to make the equivalent of a 5MP image. The idea works if, and only if, the noise is not correlated between adjacent pairs of sensors (if this condition is met, than the noise will be canceled out when combining the information for the sensors, leaving only the signal). The moment this condition is violated (e.g., channel crosstalk) the noise will sum across the sensors rather than canceling itself out. Also, I wonder how this will perform in low light and what the quality of the lens is. Still it will be interesting to see what the pictures are actually like across various lighting conditions when this finally becomes available....
All those features you mentioned are under Microsoft's purview. Nokia has to focus on what differentiates their phones from the pack and that's obviously the best mobile camera in the business.
The app store is actually pretty mature with more official apps coming everyday. Quad core processor and 1080p screens is coming in the fall. Windows phone blue will come to the 1020 as well with more ui tweaks, features etc.
This phone could have a 100MP camera for all I care. At the end of the day it's still a Windows Phone and not many people will buy it.
In 808 PureView, it definitely was not a gimmick, it took phenomenal pictures, like these.
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/nokia/808_pureview/201307102047vwIh1r.jpg
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/nokia/808_pureview/201306072057o2W4M9.jpg
1020 though, has HORRIBLE algorithms and IQ, no matter how good of an image the sensor provides, they will over-process and oversaturate it and ruin the quality.
1020's sensor is also smaller.
BTW, check out:
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/
It's a camera photo sample database.
Wow. Not bad. It would be nice if they actually have cracked the engineering issues and produced a camera that could actually serve as a primary camera.
Perhaps there will be an option to save the unprocessed raw image. Presumably offline tools could be used to get the desired effect. In any case, it wlll be interesting to see what people can achieve with the final product.
I love the images 808 produces, it reminds me very much of the Sigma PD1 camera, which had super, super smooth and soft quality at 100% crop. I haven't seen any other camera other than PD1 and 808 that produced those type of photos.
As far as I know there is no way to save RAW file format. And the reason I know that it's Nokia's IQ is because 920, 925, 1020, all produce very similar images with the same negatives, grain, noise, over-saturation, oil painting look. I think that after the Nokia's imagining master Damian Dinning left the company their cameras went down hill quick, Dinning loved neutral and natural look to images.
I was super excited about 1020, it's a beautiful phone with a decent OS, it's not iOS or Android but at least it's better than the awful Symbian.
Symbian on it's part, while having an awful user experience has parts that are extremely advanced, one of them is camera IQ and algorithms, looks like Nokia was unable to port them properly to Windows Phone platform.
If 1020 took the same quality pictures as 808, PLUS even better low light images because of the added OIS, I would seriously consider purchasing it.
It seemed like an almost(no microSD card slot) perfect(808's 41MP, OIS, BSI, 6 lens) cameraphone, however, as it turns out, it did not live up to the hype.
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That would be one huge sensor but if they pulled it off, it would be very cool
That Pelican camera is sleeper tech
I think, all things considered, I'm not going with the 1020. The 1020 is a fantastic phone, best industrial design of any phone besides perhaps iPhone, great OS (strictly my opinion), Gorilla Glass 3, much lighter than the 920, one of the best screens in the industry (don't give me that 1080p bologna), solid amount of ram, and now the best camera bar none of any phone on the market right now.
But I am not getting it for two reasons:
1. The price, $300 on contract is just too much
2. While the camera is the best camera in any smartphone, I'm going to hold off on buying a phone that is centered around the camera UNTIL I can completely replace my digital camera. Not yet. Soon though.
Yeah, I'm hoping they do this within the next couple years and I have a feeling it'll either be Nokia or Sony that pulls it off
Early consensus is the 808 IQ is better than the 1020. Better dynamic range, less edge blurring, etc. This is based on posted pictures. Some of this can be fixed with firmware updates but a lot is also due to the reduced sensor size so we'll see what happens. I'm still planning to buy one if it ever comes to Verizon. Until the Honami comes out, it's still the 2nd best camera phone on the market.