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Note 4 vs 6 Plus
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Yep, I'm one of those Android users who went back to iOS when I got a big screen to use it on. This was just as surprising to myself as the Note 4 purchase seems to have been for you. I was all about the Note 4 and Nexus 6, but after handling the 6+ a few times I couldn't resist (got a 64 gb version so no expandable isn't an issue for me).
Let's face it, a lot of this is just about enjoyment and checking out different kinds of gear, and variation is fun.
But I have to say I am very happy with the 6+. Put very briefly: I have traded more possibilities and greater in-detail control for having an easier life and a more aesthetically coherent day-to-day UI. There's just less to fuss about, which honestly is helping me focus more on other stuff I do in my life, although that may sound funny (I would always obsess with how my Note 2 was set up).There have already been times when I've cursed at iOS being unnecessarily complicated though. I got a bunch of demo mp3's sent to me in an email received on the Mac and wanted to transfer them quickly to phone memory before the cab arrived so I could listen to them offline on the train to the airport when abroad (high security wifi, didn't have time to set up connection for the iPhone too) but failed. And stuff like that.
But ultimately I think I can live with it. I think what I need instead of an Android daily driver phone is a new Galaxy Note in the 8.4" Tab S format to use alongside the iPhone - then I could have something ultra portable for serious text editing and file handling, while getting to enjoy the best of both worlds.
Congrats on your Note 4 though! It's a great phone too, looking forward to hearing how you get on with it.
Dont get why you have to lie? The 6 Plus reloads applications just as much and often as the Nexus 6 and Note 4 with a Snapdragon 805 and 3GB of RAM besides browser reload(which happens more on 6 Plus)
So this doesnt make any sense at all, the 6 Plus absolutely destroys the Note 2 in every single utter way, there is no comparison at all
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No chance at all the next Note has a 4K display, that would be th worst engineering choice ever, they wont have a mobile GPU that will be powerful enough to consistently run the UI and everything in constant 4k, and the GPU performance at 4K would be completly abysmal, not to mention a big big battery drain
Give it another 2 years or so until mobile GPU's can catch up to power 4K displays, let alone the Adreno 420 has trouble and isnt the best peformer at quad HD resolution powering the Nexus 6 and Note 4 display
They would benefit much more dropping Pentile pixel layout and you would see a big increase in sharpness and clarity at quad HD resolution if they stopped using Pentile and used something better
I don't understand why people such as yourself are harping on "pentile". It's one of those buzz words from a couple years ago, that people want to use, as if they are making some grand point. In the end, the Note 4 has arguably the best display on the market, and that's WITH a pentile display, so let's put that pentile talk to rest...
What i said stands correct and extremely valid though, Samsung would benefit a ton more if they dropped Pentile and stayed at quad HD resolution, since blue and red subpixels on the Note 4 display is only 368 PPI(blue and red subpixel count on 6 Plus is actually higher, at 401 PPI)
They can stay at quad HD resolution, drop Pentile in favor for something better like a RGB pixel layout and you would see increased image quality and screen quality and sharpness from just changing the pixel layout from pentile to RGB, it would almost be like another resolution jump
Honestly, everybody else in the AMOLED game isn't even close. The Nexus 6 panel is miserable (~250nits maximum brightness lol, crap colour accuracy). Whatever Samsung is doing to make their AMOLEDs as bright as they are (and they're very bright for AMOLED) and as accurate and sharp as they are, it may or may not be as a result of the technology behind PenTile. Neither you nor I know what kind of decisions are made behind the scenes.
PenTile used to be a miserable piece of trash. I suffered with it through various phones, like the Samsung Focus and the Nexus S. It always gave off a mesh texture to solid backgrounds and straight lines always looked like tiny zigzags, and the maximum screen brightness was mediocre at best.
Modern PenTile is nothing like that. The PPI is now high enough that you don't see PenTile-related artifacts. The brightness is clearly more than enough to be able to use the phone outdoors. The only real complaint I have about my Note 4's display is that greyscale accuracy is pretty crap - white and off-white (grey) tend to blend in together and kind of ruin definition between colours in specific scenarios.
So yeah, time to update your knowledge base.
What are you talking about lmao, my knowledge is the most up-to date material , go read DisplayMate's report on the Note 4 if you havent yet, please do tell me what "modern Pentile" is. I never discredited the Note 4 display at all, I know it is great, the higher resolution covers up the Pentile effect and basically eliminates it when its at a high enough resolution (1080p/ quad HD espcially) but it is still there, pentile is still pentile and it will always have one less blue and red subpixel so that is why the Note displays white and green pixels at 511 PPI and blue and red subpixels at 366 PPI (which is well above 330 PPI but still under 400 PPI)
I also never said the Nexus 6 had a better OLED dislay despite it having a RGB pixel layout and all its pixels at 499 PPI(close to that mark)it defitnetly does not and is alot duller in terms of brightness and also other things which determines a displays overall IQ. Im merely talking about the sharpness/PPI of the display , in its native resolution.
And your telling me "i need to update my knowledge" lol....
They use Pentile pixel layout over other pixel layouts ,for one big reason : pentile pixels and having the OLED pixels in a pentile layout format (refined diamond matrix layout in Samsungs case which helps Pentile, but doesnt completly cure the 1 missing red and blue subpixels still) makes the OLED pixels last much longer and take way longer to burn out then other pixel layouts when using OLED . The pixel life is dramatically longer on Pentile compared to others and that with other pixel layouts (when using OLED as display technology) , the pixels burn out much quicker (according to Samsung) and already to start when using OLED as your display technology , pixel life is not up to LCD pixel life yet , that is one commonly known disadvantage of OLED right now in its current state(obviously LCD has its flaws too)
This is why there is already reports of people having permanent screen burn in on their Nexus 6's (erica griffin also got permanent screen burn in on her nexus 6) cause it uses a RGB pixel layout and is just not the best refined AMOLED tech around(Moto X 2014 display and Droid Turbo display look better actually imo, and go brighter and etc)
And lastly , alot would argue and say that they can see pixelation and see pixels at 366 PPI, when your viewing blue/red/redish text and content on the Note 4 (lmao a good example would be neon red/bluish text on porn websites, you can easily see it is slightly less sharper but obviously still great looking and very high res at 366 ppi)
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I hope maybe halfway through that wall of text you've convinced yourself why PenTile was a good decision, then. You seem to know all of the advantages behind it (as well as the minor tradeoff given the giant advantages, which is 366PPI - absolutely nothing to complain about). I'm very sorry if you notice pixels while watching porn but the average person can't tell pixels apart at 366PPI (and I highly doubt they're looking for pixels at that point).
My whole point is that there is gains that can be made hugely even without going any higher in resolution past quad HD, and when Samsung eventually stops using Pentile in their displays and something better and more advanced. Bringing the blue and red subpixel count up from 366 and matching the green and white subpixel count at 511 PPI(close to that mark) would noticeably improve display IQ , even staying at the same resolution, that is my whole point all along man
And alot of Android fans quiver and cheer about quad HD resolution and how 1080p resolution in a smartphone is somehow old and weak now
Well yeah, that's ultimately the goal, right? PenTile isn't my favourite way of doing sub pixels either. Only reason I'm 'putting up' with it for now is because of the advantages it currently brings. In the long run though, yeah it'd be optimal to stick with a regular, rectangular, equal sub-pixel pattern.
By the way, I'm one of those people who are sick and tired of the PPI race. This quad HD crap has practically ruined a whole generation of Android phones; the Note 4 would have been dramatically faster if it had the resolution of the Note 3 (but without the PenTile, I suppose); the G3 would have had much better battery life, but instead, it has horrible battery life and its performance suffers. Why? Of course because they decided specs on paper were more important than actual usability.
Sure my 6 Plus has 400+ PPI, but I couldn't care less if it maintained the same PPI as the iPhone 6. I'll take the performance/battery benefits over nitpicking about pixel size any day, especially when the performance/battery start suffering because of an unnecessarily high PPI. /rant, sorry.
I completely agree. 1080p is more than "good enough" for now. Let's see some real performance and battery life gains before we start pushing forward again. This is why I'm excited about the rumors of the HTC M9 staying at 1080p but with the snapdragon 810 processor.
Gains that no one will notice and the VAST majority of consumers will not care about, or even know exist in the slightest way. Why would Samsung even go down this path and waste their resources on something that is only a vague issue on paper?
Even though I'm currently using an ip6+ I can honestly say that subjectively the Note 4 has a MUCH better screen. Not only in fitting more elements on screen, but I also get odd banding issues at times in the ip6. The note 4 was brighter in sunlight and had more accurate colors. Once again just subjective, but I think the displaymate review speaks for itself. That's not to say the ip6+ display isn't glorious, it is.
It's just splitting hairs anyhow. Why people spend so much time splitting hairs on such minutiae is beyond me, especially minutiae that just isn't noticeable to the naked eye and not applicable to anything and not noticed by any of the consumers who will buy the product.
hello? are we talking about samsung?
octa-core with 2.6ghz on a mobile device?
4k on 5.7 inch screen?
the appalling number of useless features?
advertising commercials? product placement?
they are wasting resources in a thousand ways, why not make pentile improvement one of those geek bullet points. theres actually no other way for them to differentiate themselves. until they start using tizen.
Because it's such an intangible benefit that no consumer will even have any idea how it's supposed to benefit them, let alone understand it. The other bullet points, while arguably useful, are still bullet points that consumers understand. Better CPU, check. Larger screen, check. Higher resolution, check. Software features, check (the uselessness of is HIGHLY subjective). Commercials and product placement, hmm I have no idea how they fit into this discussion but every company has to spend money on this.
Its common to see Samsung and TouchWiz being criticized on every Internet forum these days.
People forget Samsung invented the phablet. Without Note (which was made fun of when it launched), there would be no iPhone 6+. The fact that now pretty much every phone follows the path laid down by Note says it all.
I would not be surprised at all if in a few years Apple added a stylus. They have done a 180 on every other thing they claimed people didn't need in a smartphone.
People forget Samsung invented the phablet. Without Note (which was made fun of when it launched), there would be no iPhone 6+. The fact that now pretty much every phone follows the path laid down by Note says it all.
I would not be surprised at all if in a few years Apple added a stylus. They have done a 180 on every other thing they claimed people didn't need in a smartphone.
I read an article a couple of years ago that said the Note was born because the iPad came along. Samsung saw the first well put together touchscreen tablet and this spurred them to develop the Galaxy Tab, followed by the Note. Samsung were one of the first along with HTC to release a Phablet sized phone, but they all draw inspiration off each other. I think the release of the 6 Plus has shown us that Apple were not too late to the party in regards to bringing out a massive phone. They joined a few years later than the rest but are showing that demand and sales are certainly a match for rivals. It keeps the choice fresh for consumers.
I still think Phablet phones have a select audience though because of portability.
I'd give credit to the Dell Streak as being the first Phablet, but Samsung certainly put the phablet on the map in a profound way.
And I think it's inaccurate when people call the S-pen a stylus. It's so much more than just a dumb plastic stick used to tap stuff. I had this misconception, but now that I own a Note I realized I was totally wrong. It does bring some tools and versatility to the table that are definitely not present in the 6+.
I read an article a couple of years ago that said the Note was born because the iPad came along. Samsung saw the first well put together touchscreen tablet and this spurred them to develop the Galaxy Tab, followed by the Note. Samsung were one of the first along with HTC to release a Phablet sized phone, but they all draw inspiration off each other. I think the release of the 6 Plus has shown us that Apple were not too late to the party in regards to bringing out a massive phone. They joined a few years later than the rest but are showing that demand and sales are certainly a match for rivals. It keeps the choice fresh for consumers.
I still think Phablet phones have a select audience though because of portability.
More importantly, who even cares who invented what? What we're discussing is the features and points about the devices we have today.
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I agree that the S Pen is more than your average stylus but in the end I don't really care what people call it. What is certain however is that Apple will never, ever add one to the iPhone, at least not one that comes with the device. Even if they would want to, their brand identity prevents it IMO.
Precisely, I should have said that in my response to ridiculous post I was answering. Apologies.
Hey no worries, I also didn't mean to sound so harshPrecisely, I should have said that in my response to ridiculous post I was answering. Apologies.
I will say this much about my decision making process and why I opted for the Note 4 over the 6+.
- RAM: I do not believe 1GB of ram is sufficient for the 6+. It wasn't enough for my iPad Mini Retina, or iPhone 5/5S, and nothing has changed.
- iOS 8 is not supported well at all and it will take nearly a year or more for all those nifty new features to really be beneficial to iPhone owners.
- I actually grew to really enjoy the inter app sharing and multitasking of my S5, and would lose them by going back to iOS. iOS extensions will help over time, and multitasking is on the way based on leaks. But that day is not today.
- RAM: I do not believe 1GB of ram is sufficient for the 6+. It wasn't enough for my iPad Mini Retina, or iPhone 5/5S, and nothing has changed.
- iOS 8 is not supported well at all and it will take nearly a year or more for all those nifty new features to really be beneficial to iPhone owners.
- I actually grew to really enjoy the inter app sharing and multitasking of my S5, and would lose them by going back to iOS. iOS extensions will help over time, and multitasking is on the way based on leaks. But that day is not today.
Yes, this perspective is on my mind also. I went for the 6+ with the intention of testing the "all in" approach with Apple products, but so far it's not doing much for me.
I'm quite often not on the same wifi with all devices which cancels out answering phone or messages on the Mac. Also iMessage on the Mac has made me realise quickly how many of my friends actually don't have iPhones... Truth be told I had a much more seamless experience running MightyText (I'm in the Mac client beta) and Pushbullet with Mac + Note 2.
So, maybe in a year these things will be a little smoother. Replying to non-iMessage text messages on the computer was so convenient with an Android phone that I honestly don't know if I can live without it now... I do hope they extend Messages on the Mac to this in the future.
That's essentially why I returned my iPhone 6 and stuck with my S5. Apple showed some really promising features at WWDC and none were around for the actual launch.
It was nice physical hardware gimped by a worn user experience that's feature rich only in theory currently . I just expected more. Hence the purchase of the Note 4
Though I think the iPhone 6+S will be a much better product in terms of hardware and supported software capabilities.
Must say in terms of Ram & memory management, I do find the 6 & 6+ with 1gb manage memory far far better than either of the two Galaxy S5's I had this year. My S5's suffered far more force reloads/refresh than either of the iPhone's. That being said this isn't a problem with the Note 4 with its 3gb- but it is still notable mention when considering ram in the iPhone's compared to other 2gb devices.
Still waiting to get my Moto X 2014 - seems to be taking ages to arrive via the postal service (I suppose bad time of the year) and then if I decide to sell my Alpha I could still end up with a Note 4 in the new year just to finish off the 2014 phones
Yeah that's not unlikely. My last iPhone was the 4S and it lasted me a long time (still pretty good on iOS 8!), whereas my friends with the 4 had a lot of issues. Granted the steps in evolution were greater in some ways back then.
I may end up selling my 6+ and going Note 4 until next September. If I had the spare cash I would definitely just buy one outright and compare them side by side for a while.