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Q&a

Is there going to be questions and answers chat with Steve Jobs anytime soon? I am just curious if there will be any questions regarding the continuation of the iPod Classic.

I am getting serious about buying the new iPod touch although I already have second generation and I usually use it for just music. I don't know if there is a reason for me to buy an iPod Classic because I do not have that much music and the clickwheel doesn't feel as smooth as the iPod Video 5G that I used to have.
 
Possibility

Is it possible that the iPod Classic will receive an update before next year's iPod event (2011)? By any chance would they do anything special to promote 10 years of the iPod?
 
The name is Classic. Classic, get it. No need for an update. Can't really increase memory. No need to add useless features. It's the classic design. Buy it if tons on storage is your need.
 
The name is Classic. Classic, get it. No need for an update. Can't really increase memory. No need to add useless features. It's the classic design. Buy it if tons on storage is your need.

Why can't they increase capacity? Did the data density of the platters in the 1.8 inch drives hit a wall? How about adding wi-fi for Air Play support? How about adding Bluetooth as an option? How about adding support for the VGA / Dock Connector?

The iPod Classic is a media tank. I'm all for not including useless features, like an internet browser, camera or GPS. However, this does not mean that Apple should add modern features to the device that helps to get media out of it.
 
The classic could use a little refresh (even an hdd bump would make people happy).
I just want a simple music player without any extra nonsense. If it plays songs, doesn't hang and battery lasts I'm happy. The only big ipod left with physical controls.. Let's hope they won't stop making it.

Anyway yesterday I bought an leather case for my soon to arrive ipod classic. And even the sales person said that I was the only person in a long time to ask for accessories for the classic. Even the leather case was full of dust when I bought it:(
 
Is it possible that the iPod Classic will receive an update before next year's iPod event (2011)? By any chance would they do anything special to promote 10 years of the iPod?
That might happen, but the Classic could have run its course.

This is the first year Apple didn't update the Classic. Even in 2006, 2008, and 2009 when the form factor didn't change, there were still updates like better battery life or GB bump. I really hope Apple does consider celebrating iPod with a special 10-year anniversary edition for it next year. If not, Apple phased out a original line the same way Nintendo phased out the GameBoy line.

Personally, I still think the 5th gen is the best looking. The white one that shows less fingerprints on the front. I might sound biased because that was my first iPod I bought. And among the monochrome screen iPods, I like how the 3rd gen looked the best. The one featured in The Book of Eli. Very unique. I hope Apple updates the look a bit for next year since they haven't changed it since 2007. But at this point, even a GB bump and keeping the line alive is asking for alot.
 
Changes

The name is Classic. Classic, get it. No need for an update. Can't really increase memory. No need to add useless features. It's the classic design. Buy it if tons on storage is your need.

The Classic had several names before. It was known as the iPod, iPod Photo, iPod Video and now the iPod classic. They could always update the device. Of course, from the bleak outlook, it does not seem likely anything is going to happen. In my opinion, I do hope they update it because it's a music player with reasonable size, a clickwheel (see new iPod nano), and not a media player.
 
First, I own a 3rd-gen 40gb and a 6th-gen 160gb. I like storage space, carrying all my music, podcasts, and iTunes U, along with movies and tv shows. I like storage space. But I prefer my iPhone for navigating my music and watching movies. The clickwheel is great for hands-free skipping, but really stinks for searching for stuff.

I'd love to see an update à la the new nano. Get rid of the clickwheel, and make the entire front a touchscreen. Keep the 160gb hdd, and don't give it apps. (Yes, I could just get a touch, but it doesn't have the capacity, and I like the form factor of the classic.)
 
The name is Classic. Classic, get it. No need for an update. Can't really increase memory. No need to add useless features. It's the classic design. Buy it if tons on storage is your need.

"Classic" does not mean "never update." It's already been updated several times. It means that it keeps its original form factor and design, but to say that it should never add features is quite the odd point of view. Simple features like a radio would be a great addition. It certainly could add more storage. Adding new colors would be nice, too, since it doesn't even have the classic color- white.
 
"Classic" does not mean "never update." It's already been updated several times. It means that it keeps its original form factor and design, but to say that it should never add features is quite the odd point of view. Simple features like a radio would be a great addition. It certainly could add more storage. Adding new colors would be nice, too, since it doesn't even have the classic color- white.

I agree with this post. It would be nice to see the iPod classic be upgraded/updated for their 10th anniversary at Apple. This would be a great surprise and present.
 
Not buying it

Okay, here's my view of the Classic situation. Is the Classic selling enough to justify its own existance? I don't know, only Apple does. If it's not, it will probably go away, regardless of what I and other carry-my-whole-100+gig-lib-with-me guys feel. I love the Classic for the build quality, the interface and most of all, the storage. Ain't no way I'm not taking my whole lib with me and going back to less storage in a new model just feels... well, wrong. But again, if it's not profitable enough as a product, there's nothing I can do about it and I'll have to switch to Archos or something like that.

But, and this needs to be said, I'm not buying (almost) any of the arguments against the Classic. Let's take the "times have changed"-argument. This implies that just because the Classic's been around awhile and because it has moving parts, it's junk. Old stuff. Can't have it no more. Really, why? It doesn't have any shorter battery life (ssd's might require less power but the big-ass screens eat up any juice you might save). The durability argument is a laugh as well. Gadgets like iPod don't last more than a few years anyway, if you use 'em everyday. That's just the way it is. No matter how well built they are, they eventually break down. You Classic haters mean to tell me you're gonna be rocking that 2nd generation touch in ten years? Come on, of course not.

The argument that you can stream music is even more ridiculous. I invite you to join me on one of my 8+ hours train rides through the middle of nowhere. The wifi reception there is about as strong as Nicole Richie's biceps. Of course that's not an option. I realize the market for mini hdd's is decreasing and that Apple might be forced to switch to ssd in awhile but until they can provide at least the same (160gb) or more storage for the same price (or ever so slighly higher), it's not an option, I think. And yeah, I guess if you're a jogger and you need your pod to be shock proof, the Classic might not work (even though I've run full marathons with mine and had no problems). But who needs their whole lib when they're running? You just start a playlist and keep going until you're done for the day.

The only thing I sometimes miss on my Classic, is the 16:9 aspect ratio for the very few times I actually watch a movie on it. Aside from that, it's still kicking. Like I said in the beginning of my post, only Jobs knows if it's still profitable and I realize Apple is a company that caters to the masses, not the dudes with 140 gigs of delta blues tunes. But if you want to have a serious discussion about the specs and arguments for/against the Classic, you need to give me something more than "it's old".

As far as future updates, I would like to see a storage increase and FLAC compatibility. Better sound thru headphone amp and dac upgrades would be nice as well but that's never gonna happen.
 
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Okay, here's my view of the Classic situation. Is the Classic selling enough to justify its own existance? I don't know, only Apple does. If it's not, it will probably go away, regardless of what I and other carry-my-whole-100+gig-lib-with-me guys feel. I love the Classic for the build quality, the interface and most of all, the storage. Ain't no way I'm not taking my whole lib with me and going back to less storage in a new model just feels... well, wrong. But again, if it's not profitable enough as a product, there's nothing I can do about it and I'll have to switch to Archos or something like that.

But, and this needs to be said, I'm not buying (almost) any of the arguments against the Classic. Let's take the "times have changed"-argument. This implies that just because the Classic's been around awhile and because it has moving parts, it's junk. Old stuff. Can't have it no more. Really, why? It doesn't have any shorter battery life (ssd's might require less power but the big-ass screens eat up any juice you might save). The durability argument is a laugh as well. Gadgets like iPod don't last more than a few years anyway, if you use 'em everyday. That's just the way it is. No matter how well built they are, they eventually break down. You Classic haters mean to tell me you're gonna be rocking that 2nd generation touch in ten years? Come on, of course not.

The argument that you can stream music is even more ridiculous. I invite you to join me on one of my 8+ hours train rides through the middle of nowhere. The wifi reception there is about as strong as Nicole Richie's biceps. Of course that's not an option. I realize the market for mini hdd's is decreasing and that Apple might be forced to switch to ssd in awhile but until they can provide at least the same (160gb) or more storage for the same price (or ever so slighly higher), it's not an option, I think. And yeah, I guess if you're a jogger and you need your pod to be shock proof, the Classic might not work (even though I've run full marathons with mine and had no problems). But who needs their whole lib when they're running? You just start a playlist and keep going until you're done for the day.

The only thing I sometimes miss on my Classic, is the 16:9 aspect ratio for the very few times I actually watch a movie on it. Aside from that, it's still kicking. Like I said in the beginning of my post, only Jobs knows if it's still profitable and I realize Apple is a company that caters to the masses, not the dudes with 140 gigs of delta blues tunes. But if you want to have a serious discussion about the specs and arguments for/against the Classic, you need to give me something more than "it's old".

As far as future updates, I would like to see a storage increase and FLAC compatibility. Better sound thru headphone amp and dac upgrades would be nice as well but that's never gonna happen.

Here here, I am in total agreement with you :)
 
Shuffle...

I also love my classic and was hoping for an update. I wish that I could have the option to shuffle everything like the later nanos do--shuffle album and playlists, especially. This is the feature I most like about my itouch 4G and my nano 5G. But I need more space. I need more than 32G...I need more around 100-120-hence the 120.
I am not sure about the latest classic-if it shuffles the album and playlists or not. Maybe I should have waited until '09 to get the latest one. I have the 120G that I bought in March of '08...

Do the latest classics have this feature? If they do, I will just have to splurge and get one....:rolleyes:
 
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My thoughts.

I got an iPod nano. The 6th generation. And then I got an iPhone, which can do everything the iPod touch does and more. The iPod touch is at the top of the iPod line. I now never use my $110 iPod nano.
In short, I think the iPod line as a whole is on its way out. The iPod touch might stay for persistent little children whose parents' can't afford an iPhone for them. It seems to be very popular in that market.
 
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The classic segment is too small for Apple to invest money on upgrading and redesigning it. Sorry, in the grand scheme of things, there are too few of you. Sure, on the internet, your voice may sound loud, but in the big picture, among the droves of millions of mall shoppers who walk into apple stores, best buys, and go on amazon, there are few who are interested in the classic iPod.

Every classic iPod i've owned, (by classic I mean every optical hard drive based iPod, models that existed before they were called "classic") crapped out on me prematurely because optical hard drives are not meant to be moved around, as they are in portable devices. I always had to buy 2 year applecare warranties, which I had to use 4 times. The hard drives always crapped out, even though I never dropped one on a hard surface. This is something I dont miss terribly.
 
The classic segment is too small for Apple to invest money on upgrading and redesigning it. Sorry, in the grand scheme of things, there are too few of you. Sure, on the internet, your voice may sound loud, but in the big picture, among the droves of millions of mall shoppers who walk into apple stores, best buys, and go on amazon, there are few who are interested in the classic iPod.

Every classic iPod i've owned, (by classic I mean every optical hard drive based iPod, models that existed before they were called "classic") crapped out on me prematurely because optical hard drives are not meant to be moved around, as they are in portable devices. I always had to buy 2 year applecare warranties, which I had to use 4 times. The hard drives always crapped out, even though I never dropped one on a hard surface. This is something I dont miss terribly.


Do you really think we are just a small niche in the community? Is Apple really a company that hangs on to old units? There is a reason it has been kept around for so long, it must be making them enough money to keep it and if it is making them enough money to keep it it must not be doing that bad sales wise.

2nd best selling iPod @ both walmart and amazon for at least the past 3 years now. Granted I don't check every day but every time I take a look there it is. Interesting that Apple continues to sell it even though we are such a small minority of the iPod market.

The only one undercutting the classic is Apple themselves because they want people on iOS devices where they can make even more money through the App Store from the users.

As for the hard drives, yeah there is a inherit risk of mechanical parts further complicated by the tendency to have lemons (~7% last I read) right out the gate. The hard drives have definitely improved over the years and the 160GB/120GB can take punishment compared to those POS hard drives in the monochrome iPods.

Speaking from experience of the 6 or 7 iPod Video/Classics/Monochromes I've had I have had only ONE fail on me and it was a refurbished unit that was dropped face down on concrete. My current daily iPod Classic is 4 years old and has taken about a dozen drops (admittedly been in a leather case) yet its still kicking fine. Its just a matter of chance and how you take care of the device.
 
Do you really think we are just a small niche in the community? Is Apple really a company that hangs on to old units? There is a reason it has been kept around for so long, it must be making them enough money to keep it and if it is making them enough money to keep it it must not be doing that bad sales wise.

2nd best selling iPod @ both walmart and amazon for at least the past 3 years now. Granted I don't check every day but every time I take a look there it is. Interesting that Apple continues to sell it even though we are such a small minority of the iPod market.

The only one undercutting the classic is Apple themselves because they want people on iOS devices where they can make even more money through the App Store from the users.

As for the hard drives, yeah there is a inherit risk of mechanical parts further complicated by the tendency to have lemons (~7% last I read) right out the gate. The hard drives have definitely improved over the years and the 160GB/120GB can take punishment compared to those POS hard drives in the monochrome iPods.

Speaking from experience of the 6 or 7 iPod Video/Classics/Monochromes I've had I have had only ONE fail on me and it was a refurbished unit that was dropped face down on concrete. My current daily iPod Classic is 4 years old and has taken about a dozen drops (admittedly been in a leather case) yet its still kicking fine. Its just a matter of chance and how you take care of the device.

I think it's a concession for Apple to still be keeping the Classic in their lineup, and not discontinue it.

It's just a one trick pony now. A 32GB Touch holds more than enough music for most people.

Paying $250 for an iPod that has no touch screen and apps is a hard pill to swallow. The scroll wheel feels very archaic now. Everyone is used to touch screens.

I am a music lover, I have hundreds of albums, many of them encoded at high bitrates, and I can appreciate having that high capacity, but when I leave my house, I would rather have a 64GB touch in my pocket, than the classic.

If I was trapped on a remote desert island, then i'd be loving the classic.
 
The iPod touch might stay for persistent little children whose parents' can't afford an iPhone for them. It seems to be very popular in that market.

It's also very popular in countries that do not have carriers that have the iPhone, as well as rural areas that do not have 3G/4G connections, also for people who are still in contracts with other phones, and for people who have their work provide them blackberry devices. As well as for people who prefer prepaid service.

Me personally, I use it because I am on a family plan and I pay $10 a month for. I really dont use 3G/4G internet that much for it to be worth paying $100 a month for an iPhone plan. Especially since I have a dedicated GPS for my car, a dedicated GPS for my road bike and running, and in southern california, there is free wifi everywhere.
 
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