Except that trend started prior to Samsung. But it still doesn’t make a design objectively better. Cuffs vs straight, narrow lapel vs wide, etc.
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Now this is innovation and a look into the very near future
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Here's my best analogy to what Apple did to Samsung's world dominating OLED displays. Think of Samsung as the most highly decorated Michelin star chef, cooking up a perfectly seasoned dish. Think of Apple as the customer taking a taste, and then says, needs some ketchup. Then proceeds to squeeze out some no name ketchup on to the dish. Just in case you didn't get it, the perfectly seasoned dish is Samsung's OLED display, and the nasty no name ketchup is the notch.
but then cuffs versus straight is not design....those are appearance preferences. That is totally different than design.
So do you think Jon Ivy has no effect on the Apple products he designs? People don't buy Apple products because of their design aesthetics?
Fashion goes through a design process, just like consumer grade electronics. Shrinking and expanding bezels, imo, are comparable to shrinking and expanding lapels. Either design or appearance, but one can't be one and the other can't be the other.
Yes, of course Apple design has Jony Ivy all over them. However, I don't know, nor can I guess the rational for a product purchase.
Do people buy a Samsung TV over an LG because it looks better to them, or performs better to them? (or maybe both)
I know I bought my first iphone, mostly because everyone else in the family had one and I didn't want to be left out. Aesthetics be damned.
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I'll have some mayo with my Note 9.
funny how sensors under the screen is innovation but faceID itself is not.
oh and apple surely took the easy way out. yup, because they should have implemented it in their iPhone X last year and XS this year, even though nobody has a ready technology yet. oh erm yeah, that includes samsung.
Everything goes back to design choice.....that goes back to my original position.....people purchase products because of the design and appearance. The vast majority of people buy products based on the appearance which goes back to design.
"oh...i bought it because it was the ugliest one on the market"....said no one ever.....
People don't go through a car lot full of cars and gravitate to the most ugly car....
Products are designed to entice people to buy them....
Companies don't pay huge dollars to advertise the most ugliest products they have on TV or print advertising......they put their most attractive products....the ones designed (appearance) to entice people to buy them.
Proves my point...they bought it because of the appearance and design....you just followed the crowd....
Well of course Apple took the easy way out. You have to innovate to make things possible. And that's Apple's problem, they don't innovate, they wait for the big boys like Samsung to do the heavy lifting. Apple just doesn't have the know how.
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You already do, it's called the XS Max.
Last I heard, microLED is going to be very expensive to bring to mobile, but hey I am for it if they work all that out
Because Samsung is doing it. If it was Apple, it would be the innovation of the century and we'd never hear the end of it.
When Apple eventually adopt it will suddenly be considered an innovation
Didn't apple publish the idea though 1-2 years ago? LOL.
Did they? Do you have a source to point us to? A Lot of companies publish ideas and technology for upcoming products...not all make it to the finished product. Apple is pretty secretive about future products and technology for the most part.
How do they not innovate? The Face ID they use is innovation instead if using a normal camera. The screen is full edge to edge unlike anyone. Even the bottom folds under on the screen and no one has been able to do that except Apple. They usually have a bigger border at the bottom. Gestures, no one has done that till after Apple started it. Apple started the notch, everyone copies. And so on. There is a reason Apple was voted this below.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40525409/why-apple-is-the-worlds-most-innovative-company
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/app...of-the-most-innovative-companies-in-2018.html
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Kind of like how they announced the Apple watch before Samsung did, but Samsung beat them to the punch? LOL
Apple does innovate some stuff, but Samsung tends to copy them and come out with it faster (even though it's less good), than them.
I don’t have a problem with “following the crowd”. To some extent that’s the way of the world. Everybody has their criteria and value system. Mine is the quick and easy ability for FaceTime (now Group FaceTime in iOS 12.1 and iMessage.) I enjoy using my device and with 40 extended family members with iPhones we all keep in contact easily.
But if we are discussing design, it goes deeper than looks with consumer grade electronic devices. Attractiveness is still subject however.
You’re the one who claimed on this board not long ago that Apple was two years behind.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/im-over-apple-and-the-iphone.2137381/page-5#post-26474116
The thing is, I agree with a lot of what you have to say in that post, but just two months ago (when you owned a Note9) you were saying Apple had lost control of their pricing and that they were years behind. Fast forward to today and Apple is super innovative?
I never said they weren't behind on some things. Which they were. Wireless Charging as an example. But they are also ahead of other phones on the market on some things. Both Apple, Samsung and even Google have lost control of their pricing. There are other phones out there that do about the same as what these $1k plus ones do for half the cost. OnePlus6.
The only reason I will pay that price for the Apple is because they give you better support than anyone else.
I think you and I are on the same page, and I didn’t mean you call you out or anything btw.
Strange thing is some could get the note 9 at 1/3 the price of max on contract. Go figure.
Someone said Apple did Gestures first in this thread, LOL! 
It has truly gone down the drain at this point.
It has truly gone down the drain at this point.
Because the Note 9 is not selling as hoped, imo. Therefore they are "giving" them away. With the exception of the iphone 1, apple does not discount. BOGOs are the exception, but I think the carrier pays for that in exchange for wireless service.
I thought you were called out on that and you never proved to us how you got your note 9 for $400ish?
But I understand that you can get the Note 9 for a lot cheaper now as it isn't selling as they had wished and they are discounting now.
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Someone said Apple did Gestures first in this thread, LOL!
It has truly gone down the drain at this point.
Apple didn't invent gestures. I think Palm did honestly. But Apple started it recently first then Samsung.
We see discounts like these every year for non-Apple products though, right? It’s obviously an approach to sell more units but I don’t see this as much different than any other year. It possibly speaks more about their margin than anything.
Different industry, but my company runs year-round sales, giveaways, etc and we are doing better than we ever have as an overall brand. And we aren’t doing these things because we are desperate. We’ve grown to 3x as profitable as the day I started nine years ago. The business will be healthy with or without these promos, but it’s more about finding additional avenues to continuously keep the brand recognizable and at the forefront of the market place, even if it means eating a chunk of our (already sky high, as in 70%) margin.
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No no. This has been a narrative for our iOS Brigade in this forum for many years. According to them Samsung is in trouble every year.
The regular argument for them here is Apple sales and the high pricing they pay to own iPhones, almost as though these are features that comes with their phones
There was a time when this same iOS Brigade thought Android would be brought down by the Oracle lawsuit
ahhh, what a time that was. Android was supposed to die and Windows Phone was meant to replace it.But, this year the sales started right from the start for the N9 and S9 due to poor sales. They usually start after a month or so on previous models.
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No no. This has been a narrative for our iOS Brigade in this forum for many years. According to them Samsung is in trouble every year.
The regular argument for them here is Apple sales and the high pricing they pay to own iPhones, almost as though these are features that comes with their phones
There was a time when this same iOS Brigade thought Android would be brought down by the Oracle lawsuit
But there are articles out there proving Samsung has been hurting in mobile sales. So how is that from only iOS fans here saying it? lol
Again missing the point...
.... The point being that sales and profit mean nothing when we are talking about innovation and features.