Now this is innovation and a look into the very near future

[jonblatho]

Putting all the sensors and cameras under the screen isnt innovation for you?? Far more innovative than Apples giant notch. Im sure Apple fans will still say they prefer the notch, until the day Apple implement the same tech and then it will be the best thing ever, history will repeat itself once again. So predictable.

Samsung can put anything on a PowerPoint slide. Until I see this concept successfully mass-produced—which is no small feat for mobile displays—yeah, I prefer the notch, because I prefer to live within options that currently exist.

Even then, I don't mind the presence of the notch much. I don't currently own an iPhone X or later, but from my experiences with them, I don't mind it. Seeing reactions from my family who have bought an iPhone X or later, they certainly don't seem to mind it. I haven't heard widespread negative public reaction, either. Certainly it's had no impact on Apple's ability to ship these phones and sell them.

One more thing: Innovation is defined as "a new method, idea, product, etc." Inherently in that definition, it's difficult for a product to be "more innovative" than another.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Even analyst say Apple lacks innovation. They believe the lack of innovation is also one of the reasons interest in each new iPhone is declining.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Consumers-less-excited-every-year-about-new-iPhone-models_id110227

Laugh. No phone has innovated honestly over the last few years and that applies to all phones. PhoneArena is a Android mostly site anyways.

 

[torana355]

Samsung can put anything on a PowerPoint slide. Until I see this concept successfully mass-produced—which is no small feat for mobile displays—yeah, I prefer the notch, because I prefer to live within options that currently exist.

Even then, I don't mind the presence of the notch much. I don't currently own an iPhone X or later, but from my experiences with them, I don't mind it. Seeing reactions from my family who have bought an iPhone X or later, they certainly don't seem to mind it. I haven't heard widespread negative public reaction, either. Certainly it's had no impact on Apple's ability to ship these phones and sell them.

One more thing: Innovation is defined as "a new method, idea, product, etc." Inherently in that definition, it's difficult for a product to be "more innovative" than another.

Defend the notch all you like but it's a really awful compromise until a fully bezelless design comes along and it seems like Samsung will be the pioneers in making that happen. Give them some credit!

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Defend the notch all you like but it's a really awful compromise until a fully bezelless design comes along and it seems like Samsung will be the pioneers in making that happen. Give them some credit!

If it was really that bad, then why are a ton of other companies following suit? LOL

 

[torana355]

If it was really that bad, then why are a ton of other companies following suit? LOL

Obviously it's because companies love to copy everything Apple does due to their success. However In this case they are copying a compromised design, at least the iPhone has the FaceId housed in there making it somewhat useful. Im just glad Samsung is bucking the trend and focusing on a good looking design with no bezel. Also yes the Notch is butt ugly, and subjectivity has nothing to do with it, anyone with any sense of design can see it looks out of place.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Obviously it's because companies love to copy everything Apple does due to their success. However In this case they are copying a compromised design, at least the iPhone has the FaceId housed in there making it somewhat useful. Im just glad Samsung is bucking the trend and focusing on a good looking design with no bezel. Also yes the Notch is butt ugly, and subjectivity has nothing to do with it, anyone with any sense of design can see it looks out of place.

If they are successful (samsung) with that, then I will applaud them. That is going to be a tough deal to make happen though.

 

[torana355]

If they are successful (samsung) with that, then I will applaud them. That is going to be a tough deal to make happen though.

That's all im saying, isn't a fully bezel less design wanted by everyone? Samsung might not be perfect but they are doing some great things in the Display sector.

 

[mi7chy]

Even then, I don't mind the presence of the notch much. I don't currently own an iPhone X or later, but from my experiences with them, I don't mind it.

Not like you have a choice outside of Apple for iOS devices so you just have to learn to live with it.

 

[I7guy]

So you don't have any sources?

So what examples are Apple's innovation? Just curious what you think they are innovators at?

You do know that Apple copies too right? They ALL copy from each other....

Here are 10 things Apple copied from Android
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2017/11/...e-shamelessly-copied-from-android-phones.html

I had a good laugh reading that "article".

Does anybody believe increasing resolution, more ram, faster CPUs is anything that can be copied shamelessly? It's like saying the auto manufacturers are copying the turbo 2L engines likes rabbits multiplying. Same with OLED, invented at Kodak in the 1980s. Edge to Edge displays; every manufacturer starting copying what Sharp did in 2014. Android was copying itself. Wireless charging, water resistance all available years before android copied the ideas. Fast(er) charging was available on the iphone 6.

I'll leave the others. My intent was not say apple didn't copy, but android didn't do any of this first. As far as face id, until Samsung uses whatever facial recognition alone for financial transactions, apple did not even remotely copy that technology.

 

[jamezr]

I had a good laugh reading that "article".

Does anybody believe increasing resolution, more ram, faster CPUs is anything that can be copied shamelessly? It's like saying the auto manufacturers are copying the turbo 2L engines likes rabbits multiplying. Same with OLED, invented at Kodak in the 1980s. Edge to Edge displays; every manufacturer starting copying what Sharp did in 2014. Android was copying itself. Wireless charging, water resistance all available years before android copied the ideas. Fast(er) charging was available on the iphone 6.

I'll leave the others. My intent was not say apple didn't copy, but android didn't do any of this first. As far as face id, until Samsung uses whatever facial recognition alone for financial transactions, apple did not even remotely copy that technology.

yes...the same as round corners and rectangle shapes can be...

Does anybody believe increasing resolution, more ram, faster CPUs is anything that can be copied shamelessly?

Did you read the part about copying? That part about Android having those features first then Apple copied those features....that was the context of the conversation in the post you replied to....

It is funny because along that context....Apple has even come out against some of the features Android has had in the past only to adopt those same features...like say smaller tablets or larger displays on phones.....
The Apple apologist always is fast to point out where others has copied Apple in things.....
but slow to ever say that Apple copies just as many things from other as well.....


But to be clear....they ALL COPY from each other....
I have no problem admitting this......
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If as Jamezr postulated, subjective is the biggest factor in the phone selection process.

No....I said design was...your go to argument is always "well its is all subjective".
My position i postulated was that design (aesthetics) is the biggest deciding factor.....

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

If as Jamezr postulated, subjective is the biggest factor in the phone selection process.

And as I already stated, subjective leads to a GENERAL/MAJORITY consensus.

Like, dislike, or indifferent ... Those are the only choices to be had. So one of those subjective choices will rein supreme among millions of consumers. These companies don't give a damn about individual subjective taste.

 

[I7guy]

yes...the same as round corners and rectangle shapes can be...

Did you read the part about copying? That part about Android having those features first then Apple copied those features....that was the context of the conversation in the post you replied to....

It is funny because along that context....Apple has even come out against some of the features Android has had in the past only to adopt those same features...like say smaller tablets or larger displays on phones.....
The Apple apologist always is fast to point out where others has copied Apple in things.....
but slow to ever say that Apple copies just as many things from other as well.....


But to be clear....they ALL COPY from each other....
I have no problem admitting this......
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No....I said design was...your go to argument is always "well its is all subjective".
My position i postulated was that design (aesthetics) is the biggest deciding factor.....

As I said, copying the amount of memory, pixels, screen size is not what I consider copying, nor is adding a wireless chip, head phone jack etc. I agree each of these companies copied ideas from one another, but the article is just so much ridiculousness.

Since we are now dividing the camp into “apologists” and not The “fandroid” is always quick to point out that it must have been android tonhave these features first.

And as I already stated, subjective leads to a GENERAL/MAJORITY consensus.

Like, dislike, or indifferent ... Those are the only choices to be had. So one of those subjective choices will rein supreme among millions of consumers. These companies don't give a damn about individual subjective taste.

Companies don’t give a damn about subjective taste but they do give a damn if you buy their products. And to that end they will make them a product one will subjectively like or dislike least.

 

[jamezr]

As I said, copying the amount of memory, pixels, screen size is not what I consider copying, nor is adding a wireless chip, head phone jack etc. I agree each of these companies copied ideas from one another, but the article is just so much ridiculousness.

Since we are now dividing the camp into “apologists” and not The “fandroid” is always quick to point out that it must have been android tonhave these features first.


Companies don’t give a damn about subjective taste but they do give a damn if you buy their products. And to that end they will make them a product one will subjectively like or dislike least.

Well since what you consider copying is subjective to the next person But what the consensus believes becomes the reality.
Again...they all copy from eachother.....
The below is not true.....
Companies spend billions of dollars to in advertising to gain insight into consumers tastes...whether it be subjective or not.....
Data collection and analytics is a growing segment in where companies spend billions to target consumers to buy their products.
So they very much give a damn what people's tastes are......

Companies don’t give a damn about subjective taste but they do give a damn if you buy their products

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Companies don’t give a damn about subjective taste but they do give a damn if you buy their products. And to that end they will make them a product one will subjectively like or dislike least.

They do care about subjective taste, but like I mentioned, on a mass scale not individual scale. A company is not going to change their design according to the 12%(random minority number) that finds the product's design unattractive.

As I said, copying the amount of memory, pixels, screen size is not what I consider copying, nor is adding a wireless chip, head phone jack etc. I agree each of these companies copied ideas from one another, but the article is just so much ridiculousness.

I understand people get bent off the word "copying". But there is absolutely no doubt Samsung influenced larger displays, tight screen to body ratios, use of OLED displays, and etc. To deny that is to be in denial.

 

[Sevanw]

The bone crushing, world dominating innovation just doesn't end. But I guess I'm only being subjective with my opinion. I mean, who's to say a notch that infringes on your screen real estate isn't as innovative as graphene batteries. Lol.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-graphene-batteries_id110262

 

[I7guy]

They do care about subjective taste, but like I mentioned, on a mass scale not individual scale. A company is not going to change their design according to the 12%(random minority number) that finds the product's design unattractive.

I agree, Apple does not care whether I like the notch. It found out in its market surveys the “notch” is acceptable for example. So that’s my clarification.

I understand people get bent off the word "copying". But there is absolutely no doubt Samsung influenced larger displays, tight screen to body ratios, use of OLED displays, and etc. To deny that is to be in denial.

Influence is a good word.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I agree, Apple does not care whether I like the notch. It found out in its market surveys the “notch” is acceptable for example. So that’s my clarification.

Do you think the notch was acceptable by design or because Apple has a strong brand?

 

[Oohara]

Only one way to kill the notch, with real innovation. The notch has always represented the poor man's all screen design. A lazy design lacking in real innovation. It seems, Samsung is on its way to kill the notch by pushing the boundaries of tech. This in turn, will move the industry forward. As I've always said, some companies aim to innovate in their closed walls, Samsung innovates to break down walls and move the whole industry forward. Full kudos, cannot wait to see this in primetime.

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Unfortunately, innovation in itself is only worth as much as the implementation of it. I'm happy that Samsung chooses to avoid the notch, but at the same they insist that curve which makes another part of the display equally unusable. So even if they do manage to put the fingerprint reader etc. under the glass itself, their phones won't be any more desirable to me as long as they insist on curved displays.

In fact if they only did away with the curve, I wouldn't even feel the need for this innovation at all. If really ALL of that glorious Note 9 display was flat & fully usable, I'd be more than happy to have a little bit of bezel on top and bottom + fp reader on the back as is the case already.

Here's my best analogy to what Apple did to Samsung's world dominating OLED displays. Think of Samsung as the most highly decorated Michelin star chef, cooking up a perfectly seasoned dish. Think of Apple as the customer taking a taste, and then says, needs some ketchup. Then proceeds to squeeze out some no name ketchup on to the dish. Just in case you didn't get it, the perfectly seasoned dish is Samsung's OLED display, and the nasty no name ketchup is the notch.

My take on this analogy would be: Apple and Samsung are both Michelin star chefs cooking up one outstanding dish each, but they both insist on ONE ingredient which ruins it all. I don't like Apple's notch one bit, but neither do I like Samsung's curves. For me, those are like capers in a perfectly fine potato salad, or some overly fragrant liqueur in a perfectly fine tiramisu. Do away with those, and I'll clean those plates in a second so help me God. Just as I'd buy either of their phones in a heartbeat.

Another crucial part of the implementation of new tech solutions is of course the software, and let's not even get started on that... Boy howdy would I rejoice if both Apple and Samsung took a whole year off from hardware innovation and just focused on sharpening their user interfaces. For Samsung, improved aesthetics and coherence. For Apple, more straightforwardness and less user restriction.

 

[jamesrick80]

The bone crushing, world dominating innovation just doesn't end. But I guess I'm only being subjective with my opinion. I mean, who's to say a notch that infringes on your screen real estate isn't as innovative as graphene batteries. Lol.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-graphene-batteries_id110262

Indeed it doesn't stop....Samsung is how we will get most of our mobile smartphone innovations etc.....

 

[Hernan4651]

Indeed it doesn't stop....Samsung is how we will get most of our mobile smartphone innovations etc.....

One easy definition of Apple and Samsung:
Samsung build Phones, Apple assemble phones.
Of course samsung is more innovative cause if you look at the components you get: Best Rom: Samsung
Best Ram: Samsung
Best screen: Samsung
It's IMPOSSIBLE TO BE THE BEST IN THE MARKET WITHOUT INNOVATION and of course is harder to produce your own componenta than going shopping to buy them.
Look at next generation :
Samsung New EUV 7nm processor
Samsung new UFS 3.0 rom
Samsung under display fingerprint reader
Samsung graphene batteries
Etc etc etc

Finally, look at Apple. They could be the best phone seller in the world, but they need to put Samsung components on it.
For Samsung, they don't need Apple at all .
Of course, consumers, benefit of they competition to be the best.
That is why i like both at the end

 

[boomer11]

Man this thread reeks of jealousy....

 

[Hernan4651]

More news. Today leak talk about 12GB Ram into the 5G S10+