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NSA Servers Collect Personal Data Sent by iPhone Apps

Tknull said:
Indeed. But all the more reason to fight to keep what we have in democratized countries. Everyone is complacent, has no idea at all about the various types of governments exist, and does not seem to care at all that year by year citizens "rights" are being walked back.
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Yes, and I'll stand by that argument. However, I genuinely don't see why a computer scanning my stuff is an issue. I've got nothing to hide, and I'm sure a lot of people out there are in the same boat.

If our governments came out and actually told us "yes, we're doing it and here is why" - I think it will probably put a lot of people at rest.

But that's just me.
 
Tknull said:
People like yourself actually do give me hope. I think part of the problem that exists today is that so many people just do not understand computers, the internet, and ways that information is used/abused. Hopefully younger generations, who are going to understand these things far better, will recognize how important these issues are.
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Thanks, I appreciate that. Sounds cheesy, but I just want a world where everyone can be safe, and go about their lives the way they want to. :)
 
Unggoy Murderer said:
Unless you're hiding something that you should be genuinely worried about being uncovered, why all this worry?
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This type of apathy is alarming. I wonder if people didn't worry much about the Gestapo or the KGB either. At first. :eek:

I have nothing to hide. Yet I don't want to be under constant surveillance either. Previously a fan of Google, I've been divesting myself of their services rapidly. I think Apple should eschew the sketchy (and increasingly more alarming) business practice of targeted advertising based on personal data collection. Period. Wash their hands of it completely, and make it a major selling point in their marketing. Put creepy Google on their heels. Microsoft has the right idea (though horrific execution) with the Scroogled campaign.
 
I'm torn.

On the one hand, as Ben Franklin said best:

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

On the other hand, my gut tells me that profiling someone's Angry Birds play style could, if backed by supercomputer analysis, deliver extremely accurate predictors of a person's psychology and intents, thus identifying every potential terrorist before they even sign up.

Tough call.

I also think the government should keep everyone in their homes except by special permission. It's worth it: violent crime (far more deadly to Americans than terrorism) would plummet; and after all, why do you need to leave your house if you're not up to something immoral?

In conclusion:

Are you OK with the current government tracking you closely for later analysis? If you answer Yes: are you OK with EVERY government tracking you closely for later analysis? Are you sure? The one that gets elected in 2 years? What about the one that gets elected in 18 years? 100% of the government employees of ALL those different administrations have earned your trust, in advance, so much that following the Constitution itself isn't even needed?
 
What scares me even more than the NSA abusing their privilege, are those on this forum whom either support this intrusion or bleet out "only those with something to hide...blah blah blah". Are they really that naive?
 
mozumder said:
There are still some people that think metadata was supposed to be private. Those people have no idea how the internet actually works, because metadata needs to be public for routers to read it.

They also have never heard of Supreme court cases, such as Smith vs. Maryland, that have already decided metadata wasn't private.

My recommendation to you Snowden lovers is to change your expectations on what you thought was supposed to be private communications, and act accordingly.

People much smarter than you or your beloved high-school dropout hero Snowden have already decided your fate.
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its not just about meta dats though and wow did you just try to quote Hitler?
 
LagunaSol said:
This type of apathy is alarming. I wonder if people didn't worry much about the Gestapo or the KGB either. At first. :eek:

I have nothing to hide. Yet I don't want to be under constant surveillance either. Previously a fan of Google, I've been divesting myself of their services rapidly. I think Apple should eschew the sketchy (and increasingly more alarming) business practice of targeted advertising based on personal data collection. Period. Wash their hands of it completely, and make it a major selling point in their marketing. Put creepy Google on their heels. Microsoft has the right idea (though horrific execution) with the Scroogled campaign.
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Look, I know that people are concerned about it, but doing what I do, I really don't think people should be worried about it. I fully agree with your next point though - most people need to be educated so they know just how much data goes to companies like Google (that make money from knowing you, rather than national security). That kind of data collection IS wrong, and should be stopped or limited.
 
Unggoy Murderer said:
Yes, and I'll stand by that argument. However, I genuinely don't see why a computer scanning my stuff is an issue. I've got nothing to hide, and I'm sure a lot of people out there are in the same boat.

If our governments came out and actually told us "yes, we're doing it and here is why" - I think it will probably put a lot of people at rest.

But that's just me.
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A good example of how it's easy to let the more complex issues of computers and technology cloud the issue is the fact that in the US it is absolutely illegal for the government to open your letters and read/scan their contents. Courts have long ruled that that is an invasion of privacy, and can only be done after obtaining a court order. Yet if you decide to type that letter into an email instead, and email it to a family member, the government can legally scan and record (permanently) the contents of that email. Who can argue that the privacy issue involved should be different. To me its like trying to argue that if you wrote the letter with a pen you have an expectation of privacy, but if you wrote it with a pencil you do not. Its just a different method of transmittal of a private message.
 
Unggoy Murderer said:
I really don't get why people are making such a deal over this. I know I'm opening myself up to being totally and utterly slammed here, but I really don't think the NSA gives a damn about your Angry Birds high score or what you're sending to your Dropbox.
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Because it has the potential to undermine capitalism and our society.

Yes, they don't care about me, but they have already dispersed data that is very critical to a capitalist society.

“Fusion Centers” – a hybrid of military, intelligence agency, police and private corporations set up in centers throughout the country, and run by the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security – allow big businesses like Boeing to get access to classified information which gives them an unfair advantage over smaller competitors:

Participation in fusion centers might give Boeing access to the trade secrets or security vulnerabilities of competing companies, or might give it an advantage in competing for government contracts. Expecting a Boeing analyst to distinguish between information that represents a security risk to Boeing and information that represents a business risk may be too much to ask.
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bushido said:
its not just about meta dats though and wow did you just try to quote Hitler?
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I have never seen a release about spying on actual communications of Americans.

And LOL @ Hitler quote whut? That's more about the power structure of society.
 
mozumder said:
There are still some people that think metadata was supposed to be private. Those people have no idea how the internet actually works, because metadata needs to be public for routers to read it.

They also have never heard of Supreme court cases, such as Smith vs. Maryland, that have already decided metadata wasn't private.

My recommendation to you Snowden lovers is to change your expectations on what you thought was supposed to be private communications, and act accordingly.

People much smarter than you or your beloved high-school dropout hero Snowden have already decided your fate.
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Translation: I just got my argument ripped to shreds and resorted to ad-hominem.

gotluck said:
Wow, you just missed your call from Nazi Germany bro.
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He would love it in China.
 
hansonjohn590 said:
Translation: I just got my argument ripped to shreds and resorted to ad-hominem.
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Are you still of the personal opinion that metadata was private communications, even though Supreme court cases like Smith vs. Maryland explicitly stated it wasn't?
 
mozumder said:
I have never seen a release about spying on actual communications of Americans.
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the US may not spy on you (lol) but there is a agreement between 5 countries i think was the US, UK, France, Australia and NZ to interchange data so while the US may not spy on americans themselves, they can still get the data from their allies if they want to.
 
mozumder said:
As long as they're foreign targets, it's fine.

US Citizenship - membership has its privileges.
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It's said that American's are the only ones that say they're the greatest country in the world.
Personally I prefer not to be a member... it's unfortunate personally privacy is slowing being taken away.
 
Has anyone here seen Jack Ryan Shadow Recruit? When Costner tells him to plug in that device into 120V outlet and it'll use the buildings wiring to access the computers network?

I mean c'mon!
 
Unggoy Murderer said:
Look, I know that people are concerned about it, but doing what I do, I really don't think people should be worried about it. I fully agree with your next point though - most people need to be educated so they know just how much data goes to companies like Google (that make money from knowing you, rather than national security). That kind of data collection IS wrong, and should be stopped or limited.
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Really? THAT kind of data collection is voluntary, whereas NSA's data collection is whether you like it or not. I mean, Google is trading valuable services for your information -- don't want to give them your information? Then there's a simple solution: Don't use their services. The NSA is taking your information and giving you the rather vague service of "national security" -- don't want want to give them your information? Well it doesn't matter what you want, they're going to take it anyway. Sounds the second one more urgently needs to be stopped or limited.
 
Oh no, they might see my score for Candy Crush... THE HORROR.

Seriously, slow news day? Who cares! :rolleyes:
 
Xenomorph said:
Since everything I do is tracked and monitored, I only use computers and electronic devices to look at the most exotic and weird forms of pornography imaginable.
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bushido said:
the US may not spy on you (lol) but there is a agreement between 5 countries i think was the US, UK, France, Australia and NZ to interchange data so while the US may not spy on americans themselves, they can still get the data from their allies if they want to.
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Yup, the Five Eyes Alliance. And I'm pretty sure it's Canada, not France.
 
hansonjohn590 said:
Uh, the entire meta data collection program? You know, the very first story that Snowden leaked? The one that dominated the news for a good month and is still breaking headlines.

Try informing yourself next time.
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Lol. You made my day. Props!
 
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