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again, that's for people OUTSIDE of the US, which is their job, and what we pay them to do.

Show me that they're spying on Americans' private communications.


Even with the filter, US comms get ingested...
 
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NSA collecting our data is a fact. It cannot be avoided. I only wish for two things from this agency:

1. Stop terrorist attacks! The Boston bombers were an obvious target. These two were even on social media sites bragging about their goals. If you are going to spy on us, help us. Don't gather our data and do nothing about it.

2. Give us a login and password to our own data so we can save a few bucks on cloud backups. You have our data. Allow us access when our drives fail.
 

You did read the part where Snowden himself describes the NSA has "filters" to remove Americans communications?

Remember, this is how the NSA acts in private. They could remove the filters if they wanted to. They take their mission not to collect private communications of Americans seriously.

If they were the bad guys, they would have no filters at all in the first place.

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Even with the filter, US comms get ingested...

You need to ask yourself why they have a filter in the first place if you think the NSA is collecting private communications of Americans.
 
If the government really wants to look at my data or, taking an example of another poster, set up surveillance in my own house. Go for it.

They are going to be bored damn quick. And probably a little weirded out. But that's not my problem if they want to employ someone to watch me walk around naked.

Just don't tell me there are cameras. Otherwise I'll start doing weirder stuff for the sake of it.
 
Why does everyone act so :eek: when these was not some secret that NSA has been spying on us for a very long time.

While it is well known that government surveillance is commonplace, the magnitude and detail of their spying is actually pretty alarming, and I would not have believed it had it not been for these leaked reports.

I'd like to think that there's nothing to worry about since I have nothing to hide, but with all the data these criminals collect, they can put a case together against ANYONE for ANYTHING. That's particularly scary since many looking advance their careers are incentivized to jail suspects, without actually considering the truth.
 
Oh, look, another ignorant idiot with his head in the sand. If you think it stops at the metadata, or with foreigners, think again.

Well, since Snowden released all the documents on the NSA, I'm sure you can find the ones pointing out where they spied on the private communications of Americans?

The correct answer is that: The NSA stops at metadata for Americans.
 
To your first and third points... this seems to be how most citizens feel. But the problem is that an erosion of rights is just that, an erosion (doesn't happen overnight. it is done in many many small steps). So we don't get from A to Z directly, without enough people screaming out... but we will get there eventually. And if you think that was so absurd of a scenario... take a look at North Korea. So they are executing all blood relatives of the beloved leader's uncle... women and children. Is that a ludicrous, absurd and impossible scenario? How did they, as a country, get there? Did that type of government/leadership happen overnight? And is that better/worse/the same as my scenario?

Kudos to your second point. They seem to be great at advancing the wrong kind of protections.

Governments all around the world have been monitoring citizens for various reasons since the dawn of time. I don't see rights being systematically eroded everywhere as a result. When did N. Koreans ever have any rights to be eroded?
 
They don't care if you watch porn or cheat on your wives, or what political party you belong to.

Until you want to run for office against them, or blow the whistle on some covered-up crime that killed Americans, or threaten the profits of a beloved lobbyist, or get on someone's dirt list because you got engaged to their ex, or are speaking out for a minority that some government employee hates, or have some money that someone thinks you should give to them, or are interviewing for a job in competition with someone's sister, or are bidding on a government contract against someone's college buddy, or are confused with someone else who has a similar name, or get misfiled/mishandled in secret by human error or computer glitch, or are hacked by an outside party who wants to steal your identity or worse, or......
 
While it is well known that government surveillance is commonplace, the magnitude and detail of their spying is actually pretty alarming, and I would not have believed it had it not been for these leaked reports.

I'd like to think that there's nothing to worry about since I have nothing to hide, but with all the data these criminals collect, they can put a case together against ANYONE for ANYTHING. That's particularly scary since many looking advance their careers are incentivized to jail suspects, without actually considering the truth.

They're limited by laws stating that the US military cannot act in the capacity of law-enforcement for government.

The NSA is part of the US military.
 
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60 Minutes Quotes Snowden as saying he has yet to release the most damaging info. still think computing with iPhone and iPad can be done privately?
 
Yeah yeah yeah, they *say* it will only be used to prevent terrorism and is an important part of international spy efforts etc. but time and time again history shows us that people in power have no problem making use of services designed for another reason to get revenge on a political rival...
 
I personally give it ten years. Ten years until countries like the US and UK have situations like they have in a country like China or NK.... where you are afraid to say anything negative about the government (whether to a neighbor, or in an email), because some armed officials will show up at your door. Those countries encourage citizens to rat out people that say anything bad. You are then dragged out of your house and disappear for 6 months. We are most definitely heading that direction. Because things that many of you defend and say is not a big deal, are things that citizens 20, 30, 40 years ago would never have tolerated.
I've been around long enough to know people were saying this decades ago. They were wrong.
 
60 Minutes Quotes Snowden as saying he has yet to release the most damaging info. still think computing with iPhone and iPad can be done privately?

I'm still waiting on documents stating that the NSA spies on the private communications of Americans. NOT Metadata. NOT foreigners. But actual private communications of Americans being spied on by the NSA.

You'd figure that would be the first set of documents he would release, if he had that.

Right now there is nothing that indicates the NSA does that, and only points out the precautions they go through to avoid that situation.
 
No, it's because our country was lead by a bunch of morons until the current government came in.

And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.

The Tories and Libs shut GCHQ down yet then? I didn't get that memo. It's the rightest of right wing pressure from that party that's decided we all need default porn filtering/torrent filtering/social media filtering.

This has little to do with the previous lot, irrespective of how crap they also managed to be.
 
Then what are the 30,000 NSA employees doing? I mean, as unproductive as government departments are... I'm sure they're not watching porn ALL day.

Spying on the 6 billion foreigners?

You know, what Americans pay them to do...
 
I have been reading some of the posts here and frankly I am astonished by some of the naivety. IMO what the NSA is doing is both illegal and unconstitutional, for multiple reasons. Even the 'foreign surveillance' net the NSA casts will include people like me – US citizens living overseas.

The simple truth is that this erosion of freedom does nothing to stop terrorism. Instead, it revels the West as the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet. To the extent extremists are a threat, this will only stoke their fires. But honestly, most extremists are bungling, incompetent morons who pose less of a threat than drunken drivers. We ask our military personnel to take risks to protect our way of life. I, for one, am willing to risk an occasional act of terrorism if it means the government doesn't screen everything I do on the net ... like this post.

Spying on the 6 billion foreigners?

You know, what Americans pay them to do...

Unfortunately that also means me - a US citizen living overseas. There are 3-6 million of us according to the State Department.
 
I have been reading some of the posts here and frankly I am astonished by some of the naivety. IMO what the NSA is doing is both illegal and unconstitutional, for multiple reasons. Even the 'foreign surveillance' net the NSA casts will include people like me – US citizens living overseas.

The simple truth is that this erosion of freedom does nothing to stop terrorism. Instead, it revels the West as the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet. To the extent extremists are a threat, this will only stoke their fires. But honestly, most extremists are bungling, incompetent morons who pose less of a threat than drunken drivers. We ask our military personnel to take risks to protect our way of life. I, for one, am willing to risk an occasional act of terrorism if it means the government doesn't screen everything I do on the net ... like this post.

It actually does stop terrorist acts.

You just don't know it.
 
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