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But yes, I trust google more than the NSA.

Big mistake. Imagine the day Larry Page decides to run for president. Oh, by the way, he has insider access to all your Gmails and Google searches and Google Maps inquiries and Google Chats and Google Calendar items and Google Voice call information for the past 10+ years. Are you going to dare run against him?
 
There's no "spying" going on. I couldn't care less, honestly.

Funny coming from the champion Google hater ;)

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Big mistake. Imagine the day Larry Page decides to run for president. Oh, by the way, he has insider access to all your Gmails and Google searches and Google Maps inquiries and Google Chats and Google Calendar items and Google Voice call information for the past 10+ years. Are you going to dare run against him?

Ah gimme a break he wouldn't get elected. :)
 
Really? So if you are from EU its ok that they spy on you but if from US then its not? You remind me the famous saying below:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."


Do you not see that this whole spying business is making matter worse for not only US but rest of the world?

This is exactly right. Government priorities change. Laws change. Entire regimes change.

One day they may choose to intervene based on religious beliefs, or lack of. Or based on any other criteria. Beliefs that are currently perfectly legal and ethical may not be so in the future.

I don't want to see unrestricted access now, even though I have nothing to hide.
 
Are you still of the personal opinion that metadata was private communications, even though Supreme court cases like Smith vs. Maryland explicitly stated it wasn't?

A decision that predates the internet? Yeah, I am. You STILL have yet answer if the data is Americans or not.
 
I hate both sides of the arguments here, I just can't pick a side to root for. I either get "the government are literally Gestapo" or "lol, idc if the government has my Angry Birds score".
 
So why is it that it is ok for the government to spy on its citizens but not for its citizens to sky on its government? Exactly who controls who again?

Would be kind of cool if we made a CSA: Citizen Security Agency

.....where we turn this around and spy on the government.
 
The US government records all email communications of all american citizens. Not sure how much more clear cut it could be.

One of the links I provided in a previous page had this information. He completely ignored it, as he did all other evidence to the contrary.

He has said the word 'metadata' in every single post and is focused entirely on that yet it is only one of the many examples where the NSA is spying on domestic targets.
 
Well I hope this article puts to an end the sub-set users who think that as long as they boycott all things Google, the NSA can't track their activities. "I use Apple Maps and duck-go-go so I'm safe" has to be one of the most naive viewpoints I've ever seen.
 
As long as they're foreign targets, it's fine.

US Citizenship - membership has its privileges.

A) People like you, with such narrow minded views and disregard for everyone else suck.
B) Fat chance if you think this only applies to non US nationals, if you honestly kept drinking that kool-aid you have been utterly ignorant.
 
No Tim Cook, I am not more at ease after hearing this information.

We imply that apple has any control over how apps chose to send data. I suppose Apple could FORCE app makers to use end-to-end encryption, but then we'd complain about their heavy handedness.
 
I really don't get why people are making such a deal over this. I know I'm opening myself up to being totally and utterly slammed here, but I really don't think the NSA gives a damn about your Angry Birds high score or what you're sending to your Dropbox.

I would guess that about 99.99% is read by a computer infrastructure of some kind, looking out for keywords. Unless you're hiding something that you should be genuinely worried about being uncovered, why all this worry? A computer doesn't judge you (unless its your credit rating, granted) and it's very unlikely a human will ever read it.

So, unless you're looking up explosives or pornography of a particularly evil nature - why worry about a computer scanning your stuff? You probably give more data inadvertently to advertising companies.

Disclaimer: I'm a UK citizen - GCHQ does the same thing.

The problem with those 'keywords' is that those people at whom this intel gathering is ostensibly aimed, use continually changing code words to 'camouflage' their true intentions.

Also, it's not the mundane boring details of our lives that most of us want to keep private, but the invasion of privacy that bothers most people.

And agreed on your third point, advertisers also collect waaaay more data about us than most people are comfortable with.
 
The US government records all email communications of all american citizens. Not sure how much more clear cut it could be.

Only on metadata, which is legal.

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A) People like you, with such narrow minded views and disregard for everyone else suck.
B) Fat chance if you think this only applies to non US nationals, if you honestly kept drinking that kool-aid you have been utterly ignorant.

If you think the NSA spies on Americans, show it.

The supreme court has already ruled that bulk metadata collection is legal, and doesn't violate 4th amendment privacy rights, since metadata is the information you give to the public to route your private communications.

This is how the networks work. Unfortunately, since Snowden has a limited education, being a high-school dropout and all, he didn't understand this, and went ahead and stole all the classified information he could and released it on his own, because of his narcissism.

If you're hero is a narcissistic high-school dropout, you need better heroes.
 
As long as they're foreign targets, it's fine. US Citizenship - membership has its privileges.
LOL!! There are no words...

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I really don't get why people are making such a deal over this. I know I'm opening myself up to being totally and utterly slammed here, but I really don't think the NSA gives a damn about your Angry Birds high score or what you're sending to your Dropbox.

I would guess that about 99.99% is read by a computer infrastructure of some kind, looking out for keywords. Unless you're hiding something that you should be genuinely worried about being uncovered, why all this worry? A computer doesn't judge you (unless its your credit rating, granted) and it's very unlikely a human will ever read it.

So, unless you're looking up explosives or pornography of a particularly evil nature - why worry about a computer scanning your stuff? You probably give more data inadvertently to advertising companies.

Disclaimer: I'm a UK citizen - GCHQ does the same thing.

...do you suppose Martin Luther King Jr. had something to hide when the FBI decided to start spying on him? they eventually tried to blackmail him into suicide. thats our govt's spying apparatus.

if that doesnt scare you, you havent been paying attention.
 
A) People like you, with such narrow minded views and disregard for everyone else suck.
B) Fat chance if you think this only applies to non US nationals, if you honestly kept drinking that kool-aid you have been utterly ignorant.

From all the releases, NOTHING indicates a systematic spying of Americans private communications.

If the NSA actually did that, don't you think the documents that Snowden released and analyzed by the media would have shown that?

Everything is indicative of the NSA only collecting metadata on US citizens, which isn't private anyways.
 
Only on metadata, which is legal.

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If you think the NSA spies on Americans, show it.

The supreme court has already ruled that bulk metadata collection is legal, and doesn't violate 4th amendment privacy rights, since metadata is the information you give to the public to route your private communications.

This is how the networks work. Unfortunately, since Snowden has a limited education, being a high-school dropout and all, he didn't understand this, and went ahead and stole all the classified information he could and released it on his own, because of his narcissism.

If you're hero is a narcissistic high-school dropout, you need better heroes.


Wrong.
 
A decision that predates the internet? Yeah, I am. You STILL have yet answer if the data is Americans or not.

The decision postdates the creation of the internet.

Is there anything else you want to be wrong about?

Is being wrong your favorite fun thing to do?

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again, that's for people OUTSIDE of the US, which is their job, and what we pay them to do.

Show me that they're spying on Americans' private communications.
 
Curses!

They know my Angry Birds scores! Oh, no!

They don't care if you watch porn or cheat on your wives, or what political party you belong to. They care if you're helping somebody in a plot to explode a bomb in the US or crash a plane into New York. That's why they got this assignment. Bush put in the program with his commander-in-chief powers. Obama has put in lots of controls, and is willing to put in more. Meanwhile, Snowden is disclosing lots and lots of things that hurt the United States and its allies while being notably silent about the country he's guaranteed a home in for his lifetime. Ever hear of Burgess and McLean? They helped the Chinese deceive MacArthur about the intent of the Chinese to swoop down from the North in Korea. They both ended up in Moscow too. Is this hero of human rights fighting to discover what Putin is up to in the Ukraine? Oh, I'm sure he isn't surveilling his citizens at all, nor do they do industrial espionage or spying on other countries. No, no.

I'm all for figuring out what to do about data collection on Americans. We do need to make sure our rights are protected. But disclosing methods of gathering international intelligence is another thing entirely. Every country on earth with the means and need has a spy operation. Grow up.
 
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