iPhone 17 Pro Number of hardware issues on the Pros this year is unacceptable

[zkap]

• Secondly those posters are mostly just clickbaiters crying for attention. If they had meaningful concerns they would return their purchases to Apple within the two week return window.

In a lot of places people don't have this option, and this is in countries where Apple doesn't have a store so you buy from resellers. If I got a defective device and tried to return it, you'd get a good laugh watching the reactions at the store. In this situation, people who are frustrated by a hardware issue can enjoy even more frustration while trying to take advantage of consumer protection laws.

 

[kulan]

So you have narrowed down your four known hardware issues now to just one?! Well that's progress, though some call it moving the goal posts. Going to edit your OP accordingly? Didn't think so.

And, there is a difference between a software issue and a hardware issue. Hint: If it can be addressed by software, and there is every reason to believe it is a software issue and will be corrected as Apple Support suggests.

So. To summarize. Maybe one, but not 4 known hardware issues and even that one may be software.

Is the sky still falling down?

Great, so you admit it’s not anecdotal and that it’s a known issue. Which was not fixed in either iOS 26.0.1 or 26.1 Beta. Hmmm.

I am definitely able to ask Apple Support if the other three issues are known to them, but I think I can extrapolate that if a bunch of people have the problem, Apple probably knows about it. And I can also wager that they would be fixing these issues with updates ASAP, if that were possible.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Sorry Kulan that wasn't really so much targeted towards you. I am in a crappy mood today. I could see Apple changing some things. The camera system seems to be an area of regression. Some people are still saying that they are getting blurry or soft photos, while others seem to not have this issue.

I can see small changes, but I think Apple is happy and content with this new design, and at least from a hardware side of things I cannot see them making many changes. Yes the Ceramic Shield and MagSafe debacle will probably be fixed on next go around.

I do not know you or your photog competence or that of folks "saying that they are getting blurry or soft photos." Certainly anyone "getting blurry or soft photos" should rush right back to Apple with the alleged faulty phone. First however they should test by sitting the camera still and take a RAW photo in decent light using the timer. If the result is blurry rush back to Apple; otherwise work on technique.

Note I briefly tested every iPhone camera in-store and saw no blurry pix.

You claim "The camera system seems to be an area of regression." Please advise what "camera system seems to be an area of regression" because I am a photog and I find the exact opposite of your claim with the 17 PM.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

In a lot of places people don't have this option, and this is in countries where Apple doesn't have a store so you buy from resellers. If I got a defective device and tried to return it, you'd get a good laugh watching the reactions at the store. In this situation, people who are frustrated by a hardware issue can enjoy even more frustration while trying to take advantage of consumer protection laws.

Although true, what does that have to do with anything? IMO a large number of the whiny clickbaiters are USA.

 

[G5isAlive]

But the people who are reporting hardware issues are also providing data. I want to hear from everyone, so I don't get why some have the need to call out people who are reporting issues. However, if I had to choose, I'd prefer to hear from people with complaints, but not because I enjoy reading about problems. Simple, it's self-interest. I have more use reading about issues because this informs me of the potential problems I may have if I ever purchased the device.
Besides, people will often post their complaints looking for a solution or to vent, because these things are expensive.

How does the math count here exactly? If someone has crackling/buzzing sounds or a chipped plateau, they can rest easy because they're in the "very small minority" of users with that problem? What good does that do people who have a hardware defect?

Me thinks you protesteth too much. People are calling down those who report not having problems, did you object to that? People are being extremely imprecise in describing problems, often resorting to hyperbole, but this doesnt bother you?

I come here to learn, but prefer people that know what they are talking about and don't resort to hyperbole. And there are people that complain about everything. I take that into account too. Do you?

What device doesn't have potential problems? It's why I look mine over carefully and return if necessary. Every single person has that recourse. So no one is saying 'tough' or 'suck it up', but if they say the obvious 'return it' they get jumped on. Uh huh. .

What IS useful to more than a few is widespread problems, that affect more than one or two. And when people keep shutting down people with no problems, they are depriving us of useful data.

So yeah. Match does count. No clue why that isn't obvious to some.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

This is so unproductive and disrespectful to those having real issues crop up.
Your solution is "suck it up or move on?"

No, the point is that we are at the beginning of the new iPhone sales and anyone "having real issues crop up" should be rushing to return their purchases, not whining to the internet.

 

[zkap]

Although true, what does that have to do with anything? IMO a large number of the whiny clickbaiters are USA.

Well, maybe some of the whiny clickbaiters were outside of their return window when the issue appeared, or the drive to an Apple store is 4 hours long, or they are simply venting because you shouldn't be able to scratch a thousand dollar phone in a couple of seconds with a coin.
How does dismissing these people help you? Any time someone complains about faulty hardware, your position as a consumer improves and you should be hoping it gains traction because that leads to a better product in the future.

 

[turbineseaplane]

No, the point is that we are at the beginning of the new iPhone sales and anyone "having real issues crop up" should be rushing to return their purchases, not whining to the internet.

That's a fine opinion to have, but how about stopping short of calling people "whiners"?

Can we just be better than this please?
More polite, more gracious, more understanding?

Reacting this way to people you don't know and don't know the situation of is incredibly off putting and creates a really unpleasant forum environment.

I don't know you, but I'd like to think you don't mean to do that.
🙏✌️

 

[G5isAlive]

Great, so you admit it’s not anecdotal and that it’s a known issue. Which was not fixed in either iOS 26.0.1 or 26.1 Beta. Hmmm.

I am definitely able to ask Apple Support if the other three issues are known to them, but I think I can extrapolate that if a bunch of people have the problem, Apple probably knows about it. And I can also wager that they would be fixing these issues with updates ASAP, if that were possible.

so you aren't modifying the majority of your post which you admit is anecdotal?

there you go again, extrapolating from the internet without regard to the majority in your own thread saying 'not a problem for me.' Because those reports dont count, only the negative ones. Hmmmmm.

 

[G5isAlive]

That's a fine opinion to have, but how about stopping short of calling people "whiners"?

Can we just be better than this please?
More polite, more gracious, more understanding?

Reacting this way to people you don't know and don't know the situation of is incredibly off putting and creates a really unpleasant forum environment.

I don't know you, but I'd like to think you don't mean to do that.
🙏✌️

Unpleasant? So does constantly patrolling and acting like the moral police to people that disagree with you. sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

You know what would make these forums more useful? More facts and less opinions. Sure, rumors are fine, but technical details on released products can be more factual. Feel free to show us how.

 

[kulan]

so you aren't modifying the majority of your post which you admit is anecdotal?

there you go again, extrapolating from the internet without regard to the majority in your own thread saying 'not a problem for me.' Because those reports dont count, only the negative ones. Hmmmmm.

How do you come to the conclusion that they don’t count to me? The fact that people in this thread don’t have these issues… means that these issues don’t exist and are not known to Apple? I’d highly suggest working on your logic…

 

[zkap]

Me thinks you protesteth too much. People are calling down those who report not having problems, did you object to that?

I didn't protest as I don't own the 17 Pro. Also, I didn't notice anyone calling out people without problems, what kind of sense would that make? I think you're confusing things.

People are being extremely imprecise in describing problems, often resorting to hyperbole, but this doesnt bother you?

People use hyperbole when they're upset, and i don't know how precise these posts have to be.

I come here to learn

Doesn't seem like it, otherwise why would you be bothered about people posting their issues with the hardware. If this isn't your case, great, but if it is, there's some new info to learn.

What device doesn't have potential problems?

They all do, hence my comment about self-interest. It's funny that you don't see how this argues against your own point.

It's why I look mine over carefully and return if necessary. Every single person has that recourse.

Nope. I explained this in another post.

So yeah. Match does count. No clue why that isn't obvious to some.

There was no math in your post. You know, if you wanna test your claim, the best thing to do is to take it to the extreme and see how it holds up. Lets say kulan posts about a hardware issue and it somehow turns out they own the only device in the world with that issue. So, message to kulan: "No worries buddy, we ran the numbers and you're the only one who has this problem! Phew!" That won't solve their problem, but I bet it would make them feel almost as good as seeing the problem solved.

 

[kulan]

No, the point is that we are at the beginning of the new iPhone sales and anyone "having real issues crop up" should be rushing to return their purchases, not whining to the internet.

Yeah, but I did return both devices. And then I came here after getting two in a row with a mix of these issues. Are you ignoring that?

I ordered a third one in a higher storage configuration because I’d ideally like a Pro device to record some 4K60 ProRes RAW videos, but I’m not keeping it if it has multiple faults, which a bunch of people in this thread say they don’t have.

 

[Moreplease]

I ordered a third one in a higher storage configuration because I’d ideally like a Pro device to record some 4K60 ProRes RAW videos

I think ProRes RAW requires external USB storage, actually. No idea why.

 

[djcerla]

I have a grand total of ZERO issues on my 17 PM

 

[kenta_]

performance is my biggest issue. My 14PM on ios 17 is way snappier that my 17PM ios 26. Hooefully its just sw issue that will be resolved asap.

 

[G5isAlive]

I didn't protest as I don't own the 17 Pro. Also, I didn't notice anyone calling out people without problems, what kind of sense would that make? I think you're confusing things.



People use hyperbole when they're upset, and i don't know how precise these posts have to be.



Doesn't seem like it, otherwise why would you be bothered about people posting their issues with the hardware. If this isn't your case, great, but if it is, there's some new info to learn.



They all do, hence my comment about self-interest. It's funny that you don't see how this argues against your own point.



Nope. I explained this in another post.



There was no math in your post. You know, if you wanna test your claim, the best thing to do is to take it to the extreme and see how it holds up. Lets say kulan posts about a hardware issue and it somehow turns out they own the only device in the world with that issue. So, message to kulan: "No worries buddy, we ran the numbers and you're the only one who has this problem! Phew!" That won't solve their problem, but I bet it would make them feel almost as good as seeing the problem solved.

You’re talking in circles and totally missing the point but you do you. Sorry you got offended by the truth.

 

[G5isAlive]

How do you come to the conclusion that they don’t count to me? The fact that people in this thread don’t have these issues… means that these issues don’t exist and are not known to Apple? I’d highly suggest working on your logic…

And I suggest you come up with facts. The lengths you go to obfuscate and mock tells me you have no real argument.

Sorry you are having problems but you don’t have to be rude. 😘

 

[ctbear]

There are issues for every new iPhone release. Maybe it's widespread, maybe it's not. Only Apple has the data.

All these bickering in this thread is silly. This is the same OP that was upset people didn't like the Air. I don't think this is a serious thread.

 

[uczcret]

I don't think this is a serious thread.

They never are...

 

[kulan]

There are issues for every new iPhone release. Maybe it's widespread, maybe it's not. Only Apple has the data.

All these bickering in this thread is silly. This is the same OP that was upset people didn't like the Air. I don't think this is a serious thread.

Oh so you took that as me being upset, when I really just didn’t seem to understand the negativity. But yeah, bring my other threads into a completely separate discussion because you choose not to meaningfully contribute to this one. Maybe that’s why you are upset.

 

[kulan]

And I suggest you come up with facts. The lengths you go to obfuscate and mock tells me you have no real argument.

Sorry you are having problems but you don’t have to be rude. 😘

You are the only one arguing here friend, and it’s not very clear what it is you are arguing about either. I don’t understand what you mean by “come up with facts” when you can just read the posts I linked which corroborate with the issues I posted about.

 

[ctbear]

Oh so you took that as me being upset, when I really just didn’t seem to understand the negativity. But yeah, bring my other threads into a completely separate discussion because you choose not to meaningfully contribute to this one. Maybe that’s why you are upset.

Who said I was upset? I am happy with what I have and I have no problem with people liking what they like. I’m merely calling out rage bait when I see it.

 

[maxoakland]

You’ve forgotten to mention the screen lottery, I suspect a function of the “lowest bidder” competition.

What’s the screen lottery?

 

[kulan]

Who said I was upset? I am happy with what I have and I have no problem with people liking what they like. I’m merely calling out rage bait when I see it.

So discussing issues about a phone is rage bait? Yeah, seems like you are upset.