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Do you guys remember back in the day when Apple did everything they could to get the best hardware in their machines? I remember that just a few years ago, they'd work with Intel to get Macs out with new CPUs before any other PC manufacturer!

Nowadays, I feel like Apple is using 2-year-old hardware on brand new products. It's INSANE! Why the heck are they not WANTING the GTX 1080 in their machines?? It's only like, the best GPU there is for its price. There's absolutely no reason Apple shouldn't want this in their products.

Seriously, what is wrong with Apple?
 
they think they know.

The difference between Jobs' Apple and Cooks Apple are polarized.

Jobs was a very pragmatic leader -- he had a natural sense as to what was around the corner. Also if something didn't work, he dumped it without second thought and didn't let it go on forever.

Cook on the other hand, is great at logistics and keeping the board members happy with raking in income -- but the long term effects of this way of doing business will hurt Apple in the near future. It's just not a good business model. Think of Sony Electronics in the 80s and 90s. They had a great run but died because of greed.

Cook is a "nice guy" leader. This has it's merits, but doesn't really belong in Apple and what made them successful was this cutthroat design driven technology company that does the most with the least. They've become far too bloated. It's obvious that they still care, but it's a leaking ship.

Steve Jobs knew that the Mac line wasn't their biggest revenue, even during the iPod boom he kept reinventing OS X (err I mean macOS) with new designs through trial and error (G4 Cube anyone?). If it didn't work, he dumped it.

Under Tim Cook's leadership, he has left the people under him in charge (secondary people like Phil Schiller).

There really isn't anyone at the top screaming at people and telling them this is wrong and this is right -- it's just a different company now and I wouldn't even be surprised if they completely dump the nMP soon. They left the Display business completely.
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Do you guys remember back in the day when Apple did everything they could to get the best hardware in their machines? I remember that just a few years ago, they'd work with Intel to get Macs out with new CPUs before any other PC manufacturer!

Nowadays, I feel like Apple is using 2-year-old hardware on brand new products. It's INSANE! Why the heck are they not WANTING the GTX 1080 in their machines?? It's only like, the best GPU there is for its price. There's absolutely no reason Apple shouldn't want this in their products.

Seriously, what is wrong with Apple?

That was all Steve Jobs. He was able to cut deals that no one else could. There really isn't any leader out there like him. He was an enigma.

They teach classes about his business style, for a reason.
 
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I don't understand why people can't grasp your points. Why support pascal for a bunch of machines that have reached EOL or will reach EOL in the coming year. There is no current Apple device using Nvidia parts therefor they have no need to provide drivers. However, it would certainly be nice of them to do so, but they have ZERO incentive. If they decide to support Hackintosh and Dinosaurs, then they should definitely be praised for such a charitable contribution to the hobbyists and those hanging on to EOL computers.
THIS!!! And sadly, the cMP coming to its EOL is why I just sold my 12-core 5,1 cMP and am moving to (GAG!) a Windoze machine while I can still get a few buck out of it. I will, however, be keeping an eye on the Linux community.
 
I've got a 1080 in my Hackintosh. Bought it because I knew it would work in Windows and because I was expecting Mac support soon enough - after all, Nvidia had been really good with updating the web drivers for Maxwell cards despite no current Apple products using those GPUs.

Didn't realise Maxwell was the end of the line for Nvidia on Mac. Oh well, at least the Intel integrated GPU still works.
 
The difference between Jobs' Apple and Cooks Apple are polarized.

Jobs was a very pragmatic leader -- he had a natural sense as to what was around the corner. Also if something didn't work, he dumped it without second thought and didn't let it go on forever.

Cook on the other hand, is great at logistics and keeping the board members happy with raking in income -- but the long term effects of this way of doing business will hurt Apple in the near future. It's just not a good business model. Think of Sony Electronics in the 80s and 90s. They had a great run but died because of greed.

Cook is a "nice guy" leader. This has it's merits, but doesn't really belong in Apple and what made them successful was this cutthroat design driven technology company that does the most with the least. They've become far too bloated. It's obvious that they still care, but it's a leaking ship.

Steve Jobs knew that the Mac line wasn't their biggest revenue, even during the iPod boom he kept reinventing OS X (err I mean macOS) with new designs through trial and error (G4 Cube anyone?). If it didn't work, he dumped it.

Under Tim Cook's leadership, he has left the people under him in charge (secondary people like Phil Schiller).

There really isn't anyone at the top screaming at people and telling them this is wrong and this is right -- it's just a different company now and I wouldn't even be surprised if they completely dump the nMP soon. They left the Display business completely.
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That was all Steve Jobs. He was able to cut deals that no one else could. There really isn't any leader out there like him. He was an enigma.

They teach classes about his business style, for a reason.

Reminds me of John Sculley.
 
Do you guys remember back in the day when Apple did everything they could to get the best hardware in their machines? I remember that just a few years ago, they'd work with Intel to get Macs out with new CPUs before any other PC manufacturer!

Nowadays, I feel like Apple is using 2-year-old hardware on brand new products. It's INSANE! Why the heck are they not WANTING the GTX 1080 in their machines?? It's only like, the best GPU there is for its price. There's absolutely no reason Apple shouldn't want this in their products.

Seriously, what is wrong with Apple?

Gaming isn't their sector and a GTX 1080 won't make an iota of real world difference in most productivity apps over a cheaper GPU.
 
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Gaming isn't their sector and a GTX 1080 won't make an iota of real world difference in most productivity apps over a cheaper GPU.

Uhhh... I work in TV and FILM post production, we edit, do composting, and some light CG, and color grading. We have about 1 million in apple hardware at the moment, and every computer could use the Power of the GTX 1080, and not one computer has a GAME installed.

the GTX 1080 is worlds faster than anything else for its price, hands down. We are a MacPro studio mostly, with an Autodesk Flame(Redhat LINUX) and scattered property PC's around.. The Rest MacPro's 5,1 and Trash Cans.. Apple has totally abandoned our market, and we are slowly realizing we are going to have to go PC at some point.

The GTX 1080, is making us realize this more and more, and it makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE in the world to our workflows.
 
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Yeah, it would make one hell of a difference on cuda enabled apps.

Yes, on Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects and Photoshop. CUDA makes a big difference!

I won't even bother with FCPX knowing that Apple may abandon it at anytime. It is so bad now that even though I have always had Macs as my main computer - forever - I now am only picking apps that are cross platform, in case Tim screws the Pro users over. At least I can bail on Apple at that point and still see my files.

The fact that I am even thinking this way now would have been inconceivable to me 5 years ago. I look in Apple stores and all it sells little fashion electronic items, accessory cases & bags, it's really sad. Now if they dump the iMac it will just be those little devices on big wooden desks.

I'm now hoping that someone will make a Hackintosh conversion kit for the HP Z series. I still love the OS - I can make it five years on the OS alone and some serious hardware.

Please (board of directors) fire that misguided, bubble headed, fashionista maniac!
 
Yes, on Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects and Photoshop. CUDA makes a big difference!

There is almost zero CUDA in Photoshop. Mercury Engine doesn't support it and not a couple of mostly useless filters support it.

I hear rants from people who should know better, especially someone who claims to be a top compositor should know that they would be better if using Windows regardless if the Mac supported Nvidia or not. Support is one thing. APIs are another.
 
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But Apple, for decades, has been the gold standard for professional film and television. High-end color grading and VFX require just as much, dare I say more, power than gaming.

It's a myth. There has never been a gold standard. There has always been mixed tools approach at the top. Apple mainly succeeded in the middle ground with independents. Even Pixar movies under Steve Jobs weren't made on Macs.
 
It's a myth. There has never been a gold standard. There has always been mixed tools approach at the top.

This is not true, In the 90's up until the late 90's Autodesk using SGI hardware was the gold standard. I was able to use SGI at one point, and it was the fastest computer on the market and was the only one of its kind to do high end CG. Also in the UK, Quantel, the paintbox, and Henry up until the Q lines, was the gold standard for painting on a computer.

This is 1990, what Computer did this in 1990? Not anything I had access too.

Apple mainly succeeded in the middle ground with independents.

NOW fast forward 10 years from SGI and Quantel, dominance, the market changes.. Then worked on the BETA of Final Cut, shortly after Macromedia wrote it..a teacher friend of mine had the Apple OS beta of it, and when the G4 grey and white came out we where editing close to at the time D1 quality footage. This was the broadcast standard at the time.. So 720x486 and 720x480. We where able to shoot on DVCAM Cameras and edit on final cut and export to DVCAM TAPE, with the G4 MacPro. I did Graphics in After Effects and some light CG in C4D. I am not sure what was going on on PC's, but this was considered high end.

Also I was part of the APPLE SHAKE revolution, and APPLE SHAKE was used PROFESSIONALLY. I worked on feature films on my MacPro tower, DPX scans from 35mm film, from big studios, SONY, Warner Bros, MGM.. As big as you get.. I did the digital composting, in SHAKE, on a Mac using OS X, those rendered files went back to celluloid. These are films where shown in the theaters, PRE-Blu-RAY. THIS WAS PROFESSIONAL. This was a GOLD standard. This was on OS X.

Even Pixar movies under Steve Jobs weren't made on Macs.
Pixar at the time had a Proprietary RenderMan pipeline that had nothing to do with OS X. I don't think anyone is arguing that Pixar didn't use Macs... BUT later they did. A lot of CG artists who loved OS X where able to use MAYA, when MAYA was released for OS X, pre AUTODESK.
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There is almost zero CUDA in Photoshop. Mercury Engine doesn't support it and not a couple of mostly useless filters support it.

I hear rants from people who should know better, especially someone who claims to be a top compositor should know that they would be better if using Windows regardless if the Mac supported Nvidia or not. Support is one thing. APIs are another.

Im not sure you know what your talking about, I have built pipelines for VFX studios for TV and Film and at one point OS X was the gold standard.

I setup a 40 artist NUKE room with full racked 100 node render closet, and it was on OS X, not PC. Their are a lot of reasons it was built on OS X and not PC, part of it is UNIX/LINUX ports we coded, and stuff that wasn't available for PC. And Artists preferred it to windows.
https://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/nuke/
(NUKE is the GOLD STANDARD for USER based non commercial compositing, and at one point NUKE on OS X)

I think your trying to argue that if you need CUDA you need WINDOWS, I think your saying if you use OS X, you have to use whatever Crappy OpenCL/Metal cards they use, AMD.. I say thats kinda only true now that Apple is stripping down its hardware and not historically.

A GTX 1080 running OS X, using CUDA, would be an equivalent level of professionalism, to what was previously on Apple. Apple doesn't care about the high end anymore, but my argument was they did, and my work history from the first G4 running Final Cut Pro is a testament to that.
 
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Reminds me of John Sculley.

Ouch
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There is almost zero CUDA in Photoshop. Mercury Engine doesn't support it and not a couple of mostly useless filters support it.

I hear rants from people who should know better, especially someone who claims to be a top compositor should know that they would be better if using Windows regardless if the Mac supported Nvidia or not. Support is one thing. APIs are another.

False on all accounts.

I have a Hackintosh and Mercury supports CUDA, Metal and OpenCL. Metal is a new feature, but CUDA and OpenCL have been around for a while.

I have a Titan X (Maxwell) and under CUDA renderer in After Effects and Premiere Pro, I get great performance -- miles above OpenCL or any AMD GPU.

Photoshop is OpenCL only. Media Encoder also supports Metal/CUDA/OpenCL.

Also renderers such as Octane are CUDA only.

In DaVinci Resolve, CUDA is also available and has better performance than OpenCL.

FYI, this is coming from a guy who uses macs professionally in really hardcore environments.
 
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Do you guys remember back in the day when Apple did everything they could to get the best hardware in their machines? I remember that just a few years ago, they'd work with Intel to get Macs out with new CPUs before any other PC manufacturer!

Nowadays, I feel like Apple is using 2-year-old hardware on brand new products. It's INSANE! Why the heck are they not WANTING the GTX 1080 in their machines?? It's only like, the best GPU there is for its price. There's absolutely no reason Apple shouldn't want this in their products.

Seriously, what is wrong with Apple?


Their users don't give a crap, look at everyone paying 3 grand for the macbook pro.
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Their users don't give a crap, look at everyone paying 3 grand for the macbook pro.
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Come back when Nvidia will offer the same type of performance in 35W TDP. And no, GTX 1050 Ti mobile is not that GPU. It is 65W TDP GPU.
 
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Come back when Nvidia will offer the same type of performance in 35W TDP. And no, GTX 1050 Ti mobile is not that GPU. It is 65W TDP GPU.
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.

Somebody mentions performance. Koyoot strikes back with his trusty TDP retorts. It's kinda getting old man.
 
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.

Somebody mentions performance. Koyoot strikes back with his trusty TDP retorts. It's kinda getting old man.
If you have no logical arguments to counter what I have written you have attacked me.

Do you have counter argument? You have Nvidia GPU that fits in 35W TDP and IS faster than Radeon Pro 460? Do you have ANY GPU that is faster than RP 460 in the same thermal envelope?

I thought people on this forum praised Nvidia for its efficiency. When its AMD who provided more efficient GPU, the goalpost has been moved elsewhere.
 
If you have no logical arguments to counter what I have written you have attacked me.

Do you have counter argument? You have Nvidia GPU that fits in 35W TDP and IS faster than Radeon Pro 460? Do you have ANY GPU that is faster than RP 460 in the same thermal envelope?

I thought people on this forum praised Nvidia for its efficiency. When its AMD who provided more efficient GPU, the goalpost has been moved elsewhere.
I haven't attacked you. I pointed out your argument is a strawman. It's not a valid response to the meme which addressed performance not TDP. Why you are trying to characterize that as an attack is beyond me. My argument is that this 35 watt tdp is a strawman. Deal with it?
 
I haven't attacked you. I pointed out your argument is a strawman. It's not a valid response to the meme which addressed performance not TDP. Why you are trying to characterize that as an attack is beyond me. My argument is that this 35 watt tdp is a strawman. Deal with it?
The meme was about MBP. MBP GPUs have 35W TDP. Always had. If Nvidia will provide GPU that fits in that thermal envelope and is Faster - then we can discuss, reason behind Apple using it in MBP. Still strawman argument?

As for other computers. I think we ALL agree that Apple should use much more powerful GPUs in their computers in 2016, given the thermal envelopes of them.
 
The meme was about MBP. MBP GPUs have 35W TDP. Always had. If Nvidia will provide GPU that fits in that thermal envelope and is Faster - then we can discuss, reason behind Apple using it in MBP. Still strawman argument?

As for other computers. I think we ALL agree that Apple should use much more powerful GPUs in their computers in 2016, given the thermal envelopes of them.
Yes, it is still a strawman argument. The meme address performance, not TDP. I'm done, don't bother replying. I've said my part.
 
Yes, it is still a strawman argument. The meme address performance, not TDP. I'm done, don't bother replying. I've said my part.
Well, not if you will use logic and read the CONTEXT of discussion.

Context is this: meme was in response to a post that have said about the best possible hardware in their computers. It implied that MBP hardware is not the best possible. I have proven it is best possible hardware in MBP. Who is the strawman, again?

Have a nice day :)
 
If you have no logical arguments to counter what I have written you have attacked me.

Do you have counter argument? You have Nvidia GPU that fits in 35W TDP and IS faster than Radeon Pro 460? Do you have ANY GPU that is faster than RP 460 in the same thermal envelope?

I thought people on this forum praised Nvidia for its efficiency. When its AMD who provided more efficient GPU, the goalpost has been moved elsewhere.

He's totally right, you are making a strawman argument. I wasn't arguing about power draw, I was arguing about performance. The 450 has only like 20% more tflops than the integrated 550 Iris Pro graphics chip on the 13" rmbp. (lol)

Apple's telling pros the 450 is all you need. It is not. That's the point. If I wanted efficiency over power and function I'd use an iPad.

As far as what Apple "could have used"... well sure, if you give them that 1) they have to use a 20-30% smaller battery and 2) have to have a super thin and light computer crippled like an iPad.

I can't fault them for scamming people. I hear a lot of "pros" are dumping 4 grand on a souped up Macbook pro with the 460 and more than 250gb Hard drive space ($2400 for 250gb non-upgradeable hard drive space in base 15" model. LOL!!!)... no seriously, I can't even fathom where they lost any notion of the value of money.
 
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