I thought Nvidia had web drivers for the 1070 and 1080.
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I thought Nvidia had web drivers for the 1070 and 1080.
Actually it's not that the Mac OS doesn't support it, it's that a driver does not yet exist that will support the Pascal cards. Hopefully Nvidia will develop one.
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Just received my GTX 1070 today and there still looks to be no sign of any driver support for Sierra. Damn u NVIDIA
NVIDIA? You mean Apple. Nvidia has gone above and beyond when they have their chips/cards in the game. Apple only is looking at profit margins which means they'll be going with the cheaper/inferior AMD route for a long time.
They have no skin in the game. You don't seem to understand that they only release drivers if they have something to support. Apple is cheap and won't use a good graphics card. Therefor you don't get any support. If you would like support for a 10 series card. Buy a workstation with windows. It's that simple.
They've got about the same amount of skin in the game as they did for Maxwell, which is pretty minimal. There was never a guarantee they would release Pascal drivers, but there was a hope based on past experience. It is still possible, but nobody promised anything. I'm still hoping I can hackintosh my gaming rig, but we'll see.
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At the time of Maxwell's release there were PCIE slots to use in Apple computers. It made sense for drivers to be released for Apple at that time because there were cards capable of being utelized. Nvidia was also supporting macbook's at that time as well. What current products use Nvidia cards? Maybe Apple will have nvidia options for the next iteration of the Mac Pro or the eGPU market will take off...but uh, would you plan on that at all? Yeah there's a chance hell will freeze over as well. However, with every year, your odds of Nvidia supporting you lessen.
Apple never shipped a Maxwell based system, nor has any licensed third party ever sold a genuine Mac compatible Maxwell product. The nMP came out before Maxwell. That Nvidia ever released mac drivers for those cards was a surprise. Nvidia is also still updating their drivers to support the latest macOS releases despite the lack of any recent nvidia offerings from Apple. Nvidia has shown a surprising commitment to macOS, so it's not unreasonable to think that it would extend to Pascal drivers. But nvidia certainly never promised anything, and I wouldn't expect them to put a lot of resources into making Pascal support happen unless that architecture was at least going into prototypes at Apple. Which we have no information about.
No idea what you're talking about. They have Maxwell drivers with support all the way up to the Titan GPU. The Hackintosh community is a real thing ... and offering support for OS X would drive more purchases of their GPUs. Their "skin" in the game has nothing to do with whether Apple supports these cards or not because Apple doesn't support most of the GPUs that NVIDIA has drivers for in OS X. So ... that's why people are waiting for NVIDIA support.
I meant that there's no support across macOS as a platform, whether that comes in the form of native drivers provided by Apple or 3rd party drivers from Nvidia.
Nvidia doubtlessly already have one, but I imagine Apple might be preventing this. After all, Sierra has Nvidia driver version 367, but the Maxwell support was stripped out. Obviously Apple don't want to make it easy for people with upgraded machines they never sold in their entirety.
I can see a meeting in which Nvidia and AMD both prove their cards work well in macOS (after all, someone else posted a video on here a while ago showing Nvidia developing GPUs (presumably Pascal, given the date the video was made) connected to 2 older Mac Pro models.
In the meeting, Apple probably stipulated to Nvidia that to be considered for upcoming hardware they would not be allowed support for Maxwell natively in macOS, or make Pascal drivers available for people to avoid upgrading. After all, Phil Schiller thinks 3-year old hardware is 'sad'.
Yes, there are Hackintosh configurations exactly like this.
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I'm concerned that this might be the case.
Folks, buy new Maxwell cards as long they are still available.
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The reason why there is no Pascal Drivers is that there is Dynamic Scheduling not depending on the CPU.
Maxwell was support was relatively easy, because of the use of Static Scheduling, for execution of the divers were dispatched by the CPU, the same way as Kepler. Kepler drivers were in the core of the system, so it was easy to add even beta support for Maxwell in the web drivers.
Unfortunately, because Dynamic Scheduling is slightly different, there is no easy workaround over this in the system, and there is no Nvidia Maxwell, nor Pascal kexts in systems.
One of the ways could be that Nvidia would do this is by making static scheduling on the Pascal cards for the macOS system. It would cost some of performance of the GPUs, however.
Nvidia is not out of the game from Mac Hardware. However, if they want to be again on Mac hardware, they have to bring proper Metal drivers. Because software on Apple ecosystem will always use only this API, regardless of hardware that is used in the computers. And all software will eventually migrate to Metal.
Maxwell was support was relatively easy, because of the use of Static Scheduling, for execution of the divers were dispatched by the CPU, the same way as Kepler. Kepler drivers were in the core of the system, so it was easy to add even beta support for Maxwell in the web drivers.
Unfortunately, because Dynamic Scheduling is slightly different, there is no easy workaround over this in the system, and there is no Nvidia Maxwell, nor Pascal kexts in systems.
One of the ways could be that Nvidia would do this is by making static scheduling on the Pascal cards for the macOS system. It would cost some of performance of the GPUs, however.
Nvidia is not out of the game from Mac Hardware. However, if they want to be again on Mac hardware, they have to bring proper Metal drivers. Because software on Apple ecosystem will always use only this API, regardless of hardware that is used in the computers. And all software will eventually migrate to Metal.
Sure they can, or they can focus on PC drivers , where the bulk of thier sales are.
As much as nvidia would be giving us OS X drivers, the number so Mac Pro users are dropping very fast, and egpu are tiny on mac ..... we can blame apple for killing expandability on macs...
And I am one of the ones that really wants this driver, though have to be realistic....why should they bother...
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With apple penny pinching and everything going AMD, why do you say they are still in the game ?
Because Apple developed the API - Metal, that is supposed to be brand agnostic where it goes to GPUs. They do not want to lock themselves to one GPU brand.
Even ones designed and engineered by Apple, themselves...
I see your point .
I hope so, though I do not see metal going places at the moment, if I was honest
Most likely they aren't aware that you already received your 1070.
They can just ignore macs. As blizzard has done for example. Apple is the one backing themselves into a corner , the alternative huge PC gaming markert a big choice for companies
Blizzard has ignored Mac Platform with Overwatch BEFORE Metal for Mac was released.
Later, they ported the WoW to Metal, and... announced that Heroes of the Storm, Diablo and SC2 will also receive their own Metal ports.
Overwatch - that is remained to be seen...
I did not know wow was ported to metal. thanks for the heads up
Though wow has enough problems even on PC side
not sure if it's fixed but even 1080 and Titan X cards have performance issues , does not help the game is CPU bound. It really needs a major update
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nVidia have always been a massive help to us Mac users. Without them, my 980ti wouldn't be working so well! nVidia deserves praise. Even if it takes a while for the Pascal drivers to arrive, they should still be thanked for the work they have already done for us. They didn't have to.