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koyoot said:
As I have said: you responded to a post which claimed that Apple is not getting the best possible hardware for their computers, with answer about MBP.

I have told you that despite what you believe to be true, it is best possible hardware for MBP. If it is not, then show that is the case. Show better GPU that can fit 35W Thermal envelope. From anyone.


Edit: update. I have forgot. News from Retail. Rumors are saying that Nvidia is preparing refresh of Pascal lineup. Higher clocks, higher core counts for specific performance brackets, lower prices(possibly...).
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Your assertion on AMD TDP/performance may be correct.

However, those of us with CUDA optimised workflows would (semi) happily compromise on an undervolted 1050ti.
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jjjoseph said:
Then lets write MR. Beancounter himself? Tim Kook?
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I send a, respectful, concise email to the entire senior management team every two months or so.

Don't actually except a reply. Wishful thinking that some of our hopes and insights are acted upon.

Oh, and "jjjoseph". Really enjoy your valuable real-world insights into GPU/CUDA performance. Ignore the petty comments on grammar usage.
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TheStork said:
Join in the requests for Pascal Mac drivers here:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...r-can-we-expect-supported-drivers-for-macos-/
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Done. (Parsecs handle). Thanks for the pointer.
 
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Don't quote me here, however I got some information about Pascal refresh in middle of 2017.

GP104 chip from high-end to mainstream market. GTX 2080, 2070 Ti(!), 2060 Ti because of the use of GDDR5X memory, GTX 2070 most likely no change at all, to the core count, VRAM design, but higher core clocks, and lower prices.
GTX 2070 Ti: 2048 CUDA cores, with 8 GB of GDDR5X.
GTX 2060 most likely will have 8 and 4 GB of GDDR5X, with up to 1536 CUDA cores.
GTX 2050 Ti will most likely be GP104 chip with 6 GB of RAM, 1280 CUDA cores, and lower core clocks, than GTX 1060, because the GPU will NOT have 6 pin connector. Priced between 150 and 160$.
GTX 2080 to have 550-599$ price tag.
Titan X replacement: full 3840 cores with 24(!) GB of VRAM. GTX 2080Ti - that can take completely the specs of Titan X in curernt form: 3584 CC's/12 GB of VRAM. I will not delve about the clock speeds, because it is up to Nvidia to see how they can position the hardware agains their competition.

1050 Ti, and 1050 will receive price cuts(around 10-20$), without change of the name. Volta is early-mid Q2 2018.

So basically GTX 10XX series is the shortest living GPU lineup from Nvidia in their history, but consumer Pascal will live on, just with different name.
 
koyoot said:
Don't quote me here, however I got some information about Pascal refresh in middle of 2017.

GP104 chip from high-end to mainstream market. GTX 2080, 2070 Ti(!), 2060 Ti because of the use of GDDR5X memory, GTX 2070 most likely no change at all, to the core count, VRAM design, but higher core clocks, and lower prices.
GTX 2070 Ti: 2048 CUDA cores, with 8 GB of GDDR5X.
GTX 2060 most likely will have 8 and 4 GB of GDDR5X, with up to 1536 CUDA cores.
GTX 2050 Ti will most likely be GP104 chip with 6 GB of RAM, 1280 CUDA cores, and lower core clocks, than GTX 1060, because the GPU will NOT have 6 pin connector. Priced between 150 and 160$.
GTX 2080 to have 550-599$ price tag.
Titan X replacement: full 3840 cores with 24(!) GB of VRAM. GTX 2080Ti - that can take completely the specs of Titan X in curernt form: 3584 CC's/12 GB of VRAM. I will not delve about the clock speeds, because it is up to Nvidia to see how they can position the hardware agains their competition.

1050 Ti, and 1050 will receive price cuts(around 10-20$), without change of the name. Volta is early-mid Q2 2018.

So basically GTX 10XX series is the shortest living GPU lineup from Nvidia in their history, but consumer Pascal will live on, just with different name.
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But none of this matters without Pascal drivers for Mac...
 
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Volta appears to be a hybrid between GP100 chip, and consumer Pascal GPU, on smaller node.

Compute capabilities will be taken out from GP100 chip. From gaming perspective - its refined GP102/104/106/107 chip.

Thats all for now, what I was able to gather.
 
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To expand upon Koyoots Volta rumors, it looks like compute/professional volta chips are supposed to land this year with consumer/gaming chips next year. The most interesting bit of the rumor is that Volta will be produced on a 12 nm process at TSMC, which is something I didn't even know was going to exist. I thought the progression was going to be 14/16 -> 10 -> 7nm but it appears Nvidia is getting its own special process.

Of course this is all from wccftech, so take it for what you will.
 
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If you can get your hands on a GTX 980 Ti Hybrid, it's well worth it. The liquid cooling system makes the card run exceptionally well. I've used it in the Mac Pro as well as eGPU and never seen it went over 58 C. The reference cooler GTX 980 Ti can run hot (close to 90 C).

I don't have a photo with just the Mac Pro and GTX 980 Ti Hybrid, but this shows how well it fits inside the Mac Pro. I was running some tests to compare the speed of this GTX 980 Ti inside the Mac Pro through PCIe slot vs. eGPU w/ external display vs. eGPU internal display. The results were surprising.

gtx-980-ti-performance-pcie-external-internal-egpu.jpg
 
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Synchro3 said:
It is expensive and you need a good broadband internet connection.
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I saw all of that and stopped celebrating right away :D
I'm just wondering if that means anything for macOS and Pascal support (but i guess it would be a long shot).

P.S. It all started as i was drooling over EVGA B stock prices on the link you left above, haha ;)
 
theitsage said:
If you can get your hands on a GTX 980 Ti Hybrid ... I've used it in the Mac Pro as well as eGPU and never seen it went over 58 C. The reference cooler GTX 980 Ti can run hot (close to 90 C).
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very cool looking, but IF the cooling system springs a leak... ouch, everything under it is the really expensive parts of the system.
 
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The way it works is that Nvidia runs the games on their servers and sends the video and control feeds to your computer. Theoretically, they could make this run on other desktop operating systems like Linux, Solaris and OpenBSD. Though, I realize Linux is actually a large family of operating systems rather than being an operating system in and of itself. And there are a lot of Linux distributions, possibly even a thousand, which is surprising given the small Linux market share, though I realize there’s really no good way to measure that because Linux operating systems don’t report back to anyone with that sort of information, since privacy is a big part of the whole Linux mission.
 
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jblagden said:
The way it works is that Nvidia runs the games on their servers and sends the video and control feeds to your computer. Theoretically, they could make this run on other desktop operating systems like Linux, Solaris and OpenBSD. Though, I realize Linux is actually a large family of operating systems rather than being an operating system in and of itself. And there are a lot of Linux distributions, possibly even a thousand, which is surprising given the small Linux market share, though I realize there’s really no good way to measure that because Linux operating systems don’t report back to anyone with that sort of information, since privacy is a big part of the whole Linux mission.
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Today, every major Linux distro can run every pieces of software design to run on it. The only difference is in how those applications are packaged/installed and even this isn't as serious as it seem and which desktop environment they ship their distro with. I run KDE/Qt applications on my Gnome based machine and vice versa since again, most distro use both librairies by default or will install the missing one when you try to install an application that need the one that isn't installed. And with snap package this is even more trivial then ever.
 
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theitsage said:
If you can get your hands on a GTX 980 Ti Hybrid, it's well worth it. The liquid cooling system makes the card run exceptionally well. I've used it in the Mac Pro as well as eGPU and never seen it went over 58 C. The reference cooler GTX 980 Ti can run hot (close to 90 C).

I don't have a photo with just the Mac Pro and GTX 980 Ti Hybrid, but this shows how well it fits inside the Mac Pro. I was running some tests to compare the speed of this GTX 980 Ti inside the Mac Pro through PCIe slot vs. eGPU w/ external display vs. eGPU internal display. The results were surprising.

gtx-980-ti-performance-pcie-external-internal-egpu.jpg
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Good findings.. sucks for a PC user if they don't have Thunderbolt ports to utilize an eGPU but then again that PC user wouldn't need an eGPU to begin with if their mobo came with Thunderbolt ports
 
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Few information about Volta.

- The changes in Volta are significant, different SM structure - more than the Kepler/Maxwell transition
- Performance per watt improves at the same process (even if the process won't change)
- A Volta GPU at the same level of single-precision will deliver better graphics performance than the equivalent Pascal GPU
- ~1.5x the single-precision floating-point performance at equal TDPs (Volta vs Pascal)
- GDDR6 enters mass production in late 2017, GV104 is the first GPU for consumers (expect a 2018 launch)
- GV100 with HBM2 could still hit the market this year
- Geforce GTX 1080 Ti to be announced around March 10th
- Source is not sure about Geforce GTX 1080 Ti's exact specifications, but expects this: 3328 SPs, 96 ROPs, 12GB GDDR5 384-bit

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/nvidia-volta-rumor-thread.2499125/ Source.
 
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koyoot said:
Few information about Volta.

- The changes in Volta are significant, different SM structure - more than the Kepler/Maxwell transition
- Performance per watt improves at the same process (even if the process won't change)
- A Volta GPU at the same level of single-precision will deliver better graphics performance than the equivalent Pascal GPU
- ~1.5x the single-precision floating-point performance at equal TDPs (Volta vs Pascal)
- GDDR6 enters mass production in late 2017, GV104 is the first GPU for consumers (expect a 2018 launch)
- GV100 with HBM2 could still hit the market this year
- Geforce GTX 1080 Ti to be announced around March 10th
- Source is not sure about Geforce GTX 1080 Ti's exact specifications, but expects this: 3328 SPs, 96 ROPs, 12GB GDDR5 384-bit

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/nvidia-volta-rumor-thread.2499125/ Source.
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But this is a Mac forum.... and we need Pascal drivers for Mac or none of this matters to us....
Don't get me wrong, this info is great. But we can't use Pascal cards without drivers.
 
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aaronhead14 said:
But this is a Mac forum.... and we need Pascal drivers for Mac or none of this matters to us....
Don't get me wrong, this info is great. But we can't use Pascal cards without drivers.
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Do you want me to not provide information on upcoming Nvidia hardware? ;>
 
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You may recall this post, from me:
koyoot said:
Volta appears to be a hybrid between GP100 chip, and consumer Pascal GPU, on smaller node.

Compute capabilities will be taken out from GP100 chip. From gaming perspective - its refined GP102/104/106/107 chip.

Thats all for now, what I was able to gather.
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And compare it to this:
koyoot said:
Few information about Volta.

- The changes in Volta are significant, different SM structure - more than the Kepler/Maxwell transition
- Performance per watt improves at the same process (even if the process won't change)
- A Volta GPU at the same level of single-precision will deliver better graphics performance than the equivalent Pascal GPU
- ~1.5x the single-precision floating-point performance at equal TDPs (Volta vs Pascal)
- GDDR6 enters mass production in late 2017, GV104 is the first GPU for consumers (expect a 2018 launch)
- GV100 with HBM2 could still hit the market this year
- Geforce GTX 1080 Ti to be announced around March 10th
- Source is not sure about Geforce GTX 1080 Ti's exact specifications, but expects this: 3328 SPs, 96 ROPs, 12GB GDDR5 384-bit

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/nvidia-volta-rumor-thread.2499125/ Source.
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They are NOT contradicting each other.
 
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