One interesting thing is that there isn't actually a card called "MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560." Perhaps they mean the MSI Radeon RX 560 AERO ITX.
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official Mojave Mac Pro Metal GPU card list finally
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I finally installed Mojave on the Mac Pro (on its own drive of course). I downloaded it on my MBP and opened the app on the cMP. It downloaded a small app that then downloaded the install files to the drive. I didn't have to modify anything or type anything in Terminal. It installed without a hitch (but it wouldn't download the install files without enrolling the Mac on the developer seed). I wonder if this is the end of full installers.
Nvidia GTX 680 works fine. So does the RX Vega 56. I noticed for Metal with the Vega the feature set is GPUFamily2 v1, while for the GTX 680 the feature set is GPUFamily1 v4. No doubt there will be features family 2 GPUs support that family 1 GPUs don't, but we don't know what those are yet. Now we need to determine where the cutoff is for family 1 -> 2. Which family is a Polaris card?
Nvidia GTX 680 works fine. So does the RX Vega 56. I noticed for Metal with the Vega the feature set is GPUFamily2 v1, while for the GTX 680 the feature set is GPUFamily1 v4. No doubt there will be features family 2 GPUs support that family 1 GPUs don't, but we don't know what those are yet. Now we need to determine where the cutoff is for family 1 -> 2. Which family is a Polaris card?
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May I enquire what bios you have in the RX Vega? is the GPU fan issue still present in Mojave
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Interesting that it checks to see if FV is enabled and makes you disable it to proceed. That's obviously because with either of their recommended GPUs you won't be able to see the FV password screen.
There are really only two ways forward... either Apple provides an EFI firmware for those cards which will allow boot screens (and FileVault).
Or they don't provide anything, and lack of boot screens and ability to use FV remains as a "known issue" for the official release.
I remain hopeful it's the former, especially because as already stated you can't upgrade the cMP's firmware without an EFI GPU and I think Apple would view that as a problem.
There are really only two ways forward... either Apple provides an EFI firmware for those cards which will allow boot screens (and FileVault).
Or they don't provide anything, and lack of boot screens and ability to use FV remains as a "known issue" for the official release.
I remain hopeful it's the former, especially because as already stated you can't upgrade the cMP's firmware without an EFI GPU and I think Apple would view that as a problem.
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Is Apple's thinking here that it's only worth explicitly mentioning cards that can actually be bought at retail in the present day?
i.e. they're not going to write GTX 680 with an asterisk saying 'Sometimes available on eBay'.
i.e. they're not going to write GTX 680 with an asterisk saying 'Sometimes available on eBay'.
Seems that it will be a gigantic mess to update Mac Pro firmware on Mojave with non-EFI supported cards.
yeah its going to be interesting to see how Apple handles that, I wonder if theres any support person at apple we can ask them about this?
if they dont we might have to file another bug report LOL
The point is, AMD RX560/580 don't have EFI and Apple suggested these.
Every common user will think that with the Apple suggested card, he will not have to do any juggling.
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It's not a problem if they never plan on updating the cMP firmware again. The APFS firmware updates might be the last gasp.
It would be nice if Apple offered some clarity on how firmware updates (and lack of boot screen) will officially work with non-EFI PC cards. I've been very happy with my GTX 1080 FE and CUDA, but I may have to start monitoring prices for the RX 580 PULSE...
Well it's potentially a problem in 2018, since Mojave includes the 0085 firmware update. If you never installed HS or some of its point updates then you'll have missed a couple of firmware updates (and probably even one more since 0087 was withdrawn due to the missing microcode issue and will probably be re-issued).
I just really doubt Apple will support an OS on one of its machines without any ability to flash the firmware. What if some huge security vulnerability turns up during the Mojave cycle and they have to issue patches to all supported machines? I just think Apple has to be thinking about that kind of situation, even if it's unlikely.
The 2012 was sold until late 2013 remember, so it just hits Vintage status this year and won't be on the obsolete list until 2020.
I'm using the stock Pulse 56 bios which doesn't have the fan issue. Perhaps someone with a different card such as reference RX Vega or FE can test it with Mojave.
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Weird. I didn't get that message with flashed GTX 680.
I couldn't find it yesterday when I was specifically looking for it, but I found it by accident today. Go figure. It's here.
Interested in this question as well...
[doublepost=1530043528][/doublepost]So ... Does Apple now supports AMD cards not capable to display bootscreen... Hmm... Weird...
The vintage/obsolete policy specifically states that 7 years is when "hardware" support ends. It doesn't mean anything for software support.
For example the Mac Pro 1,1 was discontinued in 2007 and doesn't support Mountain Lion released in 2012. That's only 5 years. The Mac Pro 2,1 discontinued in 2008 also doesn't support it, which would be 4 years.
That's already happened in the past. cMP didn't get any firmware updates between 2010 and 2017. During that period all other Macs 2011 and newer got firmware updates for EFI security flaws. The 5,1 stands out as the only model from the 2010-2012 era not to get the firmware updates for EFI security. I remember people here was pissed because even the older 2009 iMac got them. There are several security articles out there talking about Macs that never got the EFI security firmware updates.
I didn't mean to turn this into a debate. I actually hope you are right.
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I don't know, is it required? For example some people here upgraded to HS but found out their firmware hadn't been updated for whatever reason. Nobody can say for sure until we see the gold master.
can't they put a GOP driver in the efi specially for these two cards ? I don't see apple creating a mac compatible bios and asking people to flash their cards.
The implied relevance is that there are lots of GPUs out in the wild, many of them much faster than midrange ATI cards, and Apple only listed two cards - cards that don't even support their deprecated bastard version of EFI.
(And the Titan V has full UEFI support on my UEFI servers...
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