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Me neither. I was being sarcastic. :D

And you feel that these handful of posts (out of pages and pages of threads) were meaningful enough to respond to? While I certainly wouldn't entertain those posters by responding, I do see the underlying argument beneath their collective rhetoric. Historically, Apple has been unwilling to compete on price and specs, and yes, sometimes they release products that are underwhelming in one way or another. Speculating on whether its to ensure future profits via upgrades might be snide, but it's no more constructive to call attention to them just to dismiss their criticism as hate.
 
And you feel that these handful of posts (out of pages and pages of threads) were meaningful enough to respond to?

You asked where the hate was. I just gave some examples. Your question gave me the impression you thought this was not going on. I just responded to your question.

...but it's no more constructive to call attention to them just to dismiss their criticism as hate.

That's your opinion. And that's how you would respond. I am not you. I respond differently. I'm trying to be constructive in my own way. We will have to agree to disagree on my effectiveness.
 
You asked where the hate was. I just gave some examples. You act as if that was not going on. I just responded to your question.



That's your opinion. And that's how you would respond. I am not you. I respond differently. I'm trying to be constructive in my own way. We will have to agree to disagree on my effectiveness.

I wasn't trying to deny that hateful posts existed here and there (I did say "most" of the threads), I was questioning their prevalence on the forum. Reading your posts, you'd think they were front and center.

While I wish you luck in your endeavors in responding, I hope you note that responding to vitriol with vitriol won't improve anything.
 
I wasn't trying to deny that hateful posts existed here and there (I did say "most" of the threads), I was questioning their prevalence on the forum. Reading your posts, you'd think they were front and center.

While I wish you luck in your endeavors in responding, I hope you note that responding to vitriol with vitriol won't improve anything.

To the mods considering closing this thread, I point you no further. This thread is out of control.
 
I wasn't trying to deny that hateful posts existed here and there (I did say "most" of the threads), I was questioning their prevalence on the forum. Reading your posts, you'd think they were front and center.

While I wish you luck in your endeavors in responding, I hope you note that responding to vitriol with vitriol won't improve anything.

The Mods are usually pretty good at cleaning this stuff up. I am not a Mod nor do I play one on TV. And if my posts came across as vitriol, then I apologize. That was obviously not my intent. I make a distinction between snarkiness/sarcasm and vitriol. Hate is hate no matter the reason.
 
Interesting you cite Soneira, because in the oft-mentioned shoutout between the rMini, Nexus 7 2013, and Kindle Fire, he says it's inexcusable for Apple to not use a display capable of the sRGB gamut. He himself said it's disappointing, and that the technology to make it a reality was in place and "readily available." So all that's left is to debate motives. I am unwilling to consign myself to the cynical idea that Apple is doing this JUST for profit, that they are evil, though I definitely see the support for that argument and lean in that direction. But it might be bad planning, as Soneira says. Either way, it's not the first time Apple has done this, and we'll never know why.

All said and done, I love my rMini. It's a great tablet, and it offers an experience truly unlike any other on the market, an experience that I find myself very compelled towards. But the issue is real, it should be made known, and we have the right to complain. The problem doesn't seem to be an entirely technical limitation, and we paid the highest premium for what should be the highest end small tablet.

Yep, it might be bad planning, or it might be bad luck that they bet on Sharp and the others more easily ramping up IGZO, or it may turn out to be the best bet because LTPS will always remain a low-volume tech, or any number of things we know nothing about.

I think Soneira is way off base not saying a word about the difference in Apple's production needs vs. Amazon's. Or does he think Apple could draw up a purchase order with Amazon's supplier and get 20 million LTPS displays lined up for last October? With quantum dot enhancements, please, while you're at it.

The more I think about it, the more I think he's way out of his league speculating about Apple's long-term display strategy. So am I and so are we all, because we don't know anything, but we're not in the display analysis business. And I really wish he'd drop the stupid shoot-out metaphor. But none of this bears on his point last year that color gamut is tied to backlighting, and backlighting is tied to battery usage, which is tied to the size and weight of the device.
 
Which of course NEVER happens here on MacRumors... :rolleyes:

Or any technology / gear forum.

I have to admit, I do visit some gear forums around major product launches just to watch the storm in a teacup invariably brew up. Its hard to look away, like a car wreck. :eek:
 
As someone who has returned/exchanged a fat stack of full size iPads over the years due to display issues (uneven color and color casts), I'm happy to report that the rMini I have, like last year's model, is free from overly distracting color shifts across the screen.

I do detect a slight warmth on the bottom half, but it's far less noticeable or bothersome, because my eyes don't scan the screen from bottom to top; they generally move left to right, which is why the Air has caused me such grief with its left>right color shift.

As for gamut, yes it's narrower than the Air. On paper, this is an affront! The nerve of Apple to release such a garbage screen and sell it as identical to the Air!

In practice, it looks great. A little less saturated. A little less poppy. But also a little less eye searing. I've always thought OLED screens were way over the top and looked ridiculous...the Air is bordering on an OLED look. The rMini is quieter in its presentation.

At the end of the day, it's a great display. Once you get over the fact that Apple isn't being all that forthright about calling the Air and Mini "the same", and stop holding them up side by side, you quickly get used to the coloration of the rMini, and it looks fine.

I love food analogies. I think of the Air as a large pizza, and the rMini as a personal pizza. Despite having the exact same ingredients, a large pizza will ALWAYS taste different than a personal pizza. It's all in how the ingredients play together in the oven. Moisture, surface area, weight, etc. all factor in to how a pizza tastes and feels in your mouth.

This is not to say both pizzas won't be tasty. But they will be different, no matter what, despite assurances from a misinformed waiter that they are identical. Some folks want a bigger pie, some want a smaller one. But getting upset that a small pie doesn't taste exactly like a large pie is futile.


you just blew my mind
 
Yep, it might be bad planning, or it might be bad luck that they bet on Sharp and the others more easily ramping up IGZO, or it may turn out to be the best bet because LTPS will always remain a low-volume tech, or any number of things we know nothing about.

I think Soneira is way off base not saying a word about the difference in Apple's production needs vs. Amazon's. Or does he think Apple could draw up a purchase order with Amazon's supplier and get 20 million LTPS displays lined up for last October? With quantum dot enhancements, please, while you're at it.

The more I think about it, the more I think he's way out of his league speculating about Apple's long-term display strategy. So am I and so are we all, because we don't know anything, but we're not in the display analysis business. And I really wish he'd drop the stupid shoot-out metaphor. But none of this bears on his point last year that color gamut is tied to backlighting, and backlighting is tied to battery usage, which is tied to the size and weight of the device.

Soneira comes across as a bit shrill. He uses "innovative" over and over and over again to describe the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HDX displays, as if there's nothing innovative about IGZO. He may well have a valid criticism that IGZO is not yet ready for prime time, or at least does not yet yield the same color gamut in the same applications as Quantum Dot or LTPS. However, the tone of his article suggests that IGZO will never be ready for prime time ("Apple keeps gambling on IGZO") when we don't know that to be the case at all.

To be fair, he is focused solely on the display, and so might not be able to make a more balanced assessment of the device in the same way as Anand Lal Shimpi, who can express disappointment in the screen's color gamut while still noting that overall he prefers the mini to the Air.
 
Wow... so much hate over the gamut issue. To summarize:

  1. The iPad rMini has a lower color gamut than the iPad Air. This has been proven by very smart tech people.
  2. Apple most likely designed the iPad this way for one or more reasons (battery life, heat, etc).
  3. Should Apple tell people this fact in their advertising or technical specifications? Why should they? Color gamut was never listed as a feature of the iPad in any generation, just as RAM was not. Even if Apple claims the two are "identical in every way" this is a) advertising hyperbole, and b) speaking to the features of the two devices, of which color gamut is not listed. If you feel that Apple is not being honest in their advertising, don't buy their products.
  4. Should iPad rMini users "admit" that the color gamut issue is a problem? I guess, if they can even notice it. As both an Air and rMini owner, I can see that there is a color difference between the two, particularly in pictures that others have taken of the two side-by-side. However, I have at no point during my use of the rMini (which is much, much higher than my use of the Air) thought to myself "these colors don't look right/these colors are too muted/whatever". If a casual user of the rMini can't notice this, why would they have to "admit" anything? Why would this specifically stop anyone from buying the rMini? You look at it in the store, and decide for yourself if it's worth $400. Simple as that.
  5. The amount of anger in this thread has gone beyond absurd. If color gamut turns out to be a huge issue amongst consumers, they will speak with their wallets and the rMini will flop. Apple will then have to go back to the drawing board and provide a small tablet with a full color gamut.

    I'm pretty sure the rMini is going to be the best-selling iPad in history (once the supply meets the demand), regardless of color gamut.
End thread.
 
Wow... so much hate over the gamut issue. To summarize:

  1. The iPad rMini has a lower color gamut than the iPad Air. This has been proven by very smart tech people.
  2. Apple most likely designed the iPad this way for one or more reasons (battery life, heat, etc).
  3. Should Apple tell people this fact in their advertising or technical specifications? Why should they? Color gamut was never listed as a feature of the iPad in any generation, just as RAM was not. Even if Apple claims the two are "identical in every way" this is a) advertising hyperbole, and b) speaking to the features of the two devices, of which color gamut is not listed. If you feel that Apple is not being honest in their advertising, don't buy their products.
  4. Should iPad rMini users "admit" that the color gamut issue is a problem? I guess, if they can even notice it. As both an Air and rMini owner, I can see that there is a color difference between the two, particularly in pictures that others have taken of the two side-by-side. However, I have at no point during my use of the rMini (which is much, much higher than my use of the Air) thought to myself "these colors don't look right/these colors are too muted/whatever". If a casual user of the rMini can't notice this, why would they have to "admit" anything? Why would this specifically stop anyone from buying the rMini? You look at it in the store, and decide for yourself if it's worth $400. Simple as that.
  5. The amount of anger in this thread has gone beyond absurd. If color gamut turns out to be a huge issue amongst consumers, they will speak with their wallets and the rMini will flop. Apple will then have to go back to the drawing board and provide a small tablet with a full color gamut.

    I'm pretty sure the rMini is going to be the best-selling iPad in history (once the supply meets the demand), regardless of color gamut.
End thread.

The only major issue I have with the gamut is that the advertising pictures (stock pictures) have the same colors displayed on the Air as on the Mini. This is misleading. The colors shown on advertisements should reflect the actual colors.
 
The only major issue I have with the gamut is that the advertising pictures (stock pictures) have the same colors displayed on the Air as on the Mini. This is misleading. The colors shown on advertisements should reflect the actual colors.

Come on. When was the last time you walked into any restaurant and got food that looked even remotely close to what was in their advertisement?

All screen-based technology products come with the caveat "screen images simulated". Besides, Apple's advertising is no substitute for going and testing out the product yourself before you buy. Or even buying, using for 2 months as trial, and then returning!
 
The only major issue I have with the gamut is that the advertising pictures (stock pictures) have the same colors displayed on the Air as on the Mini. This is misleading. The colors shown on advertisements should reflect the actual colors.
The rMini display models I've seen are preloaded with a ton of pics. Comparing those pics with the preloaded Air pics is pretty close. Of course Apple is going to choose photos that showcase both tablets displays in the best possible way. ;)
 
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