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iPad mini Ok, everyone needs to calm down about this whole color gamut thing
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People must have bad eyesight. Clearly the advertisement says "Feature for feature, it's identical to iPad Air in every way". Then, just below that, kind of at the bottom, right above the image of the Mini itself, ya know? It says - "EXCEPT FOR ITS SUPER-PORTABLE, HOLD-IT-IN-ONE HAND, STILL-JUST-RIGHT-MINI SIZE".
I can't believe anyone's actually trying to argue against this. Wowwwww. Mind = blown.
I can't believe anyone's actually trying to argue against this. Wowwwww. Mind = blown.
Man, I hate to break this to you, are you sitting down?
iPad Mini, 326ppi - iPad Air, 263
iPad Mini, 1.3GHz - iPad Air, 1.4GHz
iPad Mini battery, 23.8Wh - iPad Air, 32.4Wh
I mean, pixel density, processor speed, battery capacity, those are features, right?
OMG! They are not identical!
I smell Feature-gate!
Man, I hate to break this to you, are you sitting down?
iPad Mini, 326ppi - iPad Air, 263
iPad Mini, 1.3GHz - iPad Air, 1.4GHz
iPad Mini battery, 23.8Wh - iPad Air, 32.4Wh
I mean, pixel density, processor speed, battery capacity, those are features, right?
OMG! They are not identical!
I smell Fearture-gate!
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Oh man! But the advertisement clearly says "identical in every way!" I assume you're trying to come up with a rebuttal to what I posted, but you're actually just reinforcing my point. Like I said.. hilarious to watch. Keep going!
That's not what you said originally. You said that people need to admit there's a problem.
If you instead meant that people need to admit that some people might have a problem with it, I think this forum speaks for itself on that. People have a problem with everything.
I agree, people often rant about positive things.
The rant is that Apple said they were identical when the screens aren't. The weight is an example of how there are things that are different between the two even though Apple said they were identical.
Of course people have a problem with everything.
*in a negative way
Oh man! But the advertisement clearly says "identical in every way!" I assume you're trying to come up with a rebuttal to what I posted, but you're actually just reinforcing my point. Like I said.. hilarious to watch. Keep going!
Really? If by your point you mean your made up feature that doesn't exist, then yes. It is sad that you are falling back on that ad to justify your point, You've run out of intelligent responses.
I am sorry you think that Gamut is an iPad feature. It isn't. I hate to break this to you, but Apple decides what is a feature and what is not. They design the things. You don't. If they decide to make gamut a feature, they will (or would have). They DIDN'T. You did. You made it up. And Apple failed to read your mind and build in a feature you made up.
Apple. How dare they.
Really? If by your point you mean your made up feature that doesn't exist, then yes. It is sad that you are falling back on that ad to justify your point, You've run out of intelligent responses.
I am sorry you think that Gamut is an iPad feature. It isn't. I hate to break this to you, but Apple decides what is a feature and what is not. They design the things. You don't. If they decide to make gamut a feature, they will (or would have). They DIDN'T. You did. You made it up. And Apple failed to read your mind and build in a feature you made up.
Apple. How dare they.
I kind of have to agree with you.
There's a reason why marketers use vague terms.
Really? If by your point you mean your made up feature that doesn't exist, then yes. It is sad that you are falling back on that ad to justify your point, You've run out of intelligent responses.
I am sorry you think that Gamut is an iPad feature. It isn't. I hate to break this to you, but Apple decides what is a feature and what is not. They design the things. You don't. If they decide to make gamut a feature, they will (or would have). They DIDN'T. You did. You made it up. And Apple failed to read your mind and build in a feature you made up.
Apple. How dare they.
If a full gamut is not a feature, what would you call it then? (insert obligatory rolleye filler here)
Understand, but Dr. Soneira is the expert being cited, and he has said that only fanatics care about the difference between 720p and 1080p displays. He made that comment during a telephone interview, and I wonder if his tone (no pun again) would change when pressed about color gamut on a 7"-9" display.
Gamutgate almost got me. I almost called tmobile and changed my order to an air but then something hit me. I've had a mini since last year. Before the mini I had an iPad 3 with retina and the switch to mini was fine it was a little less clear but I still loved the lightness and portability. Now I am upgrading to a mini with retina that's way faster and much more clear but has the same color gamut as the mini I still have. I know I won't be able to tell. Just like I've never returned an iPad or iPhone for crazy screen problems like others on this forum. Everyone just needs to calm down!
In the context of Apple's ad, I would call it "something you don't need to worry about".
Apple has de-emphasized "features" for a long time. They talk about 2X faster but don't quote MHz. They don't quote RAM. They stay away from these so called "features" as a concerted attempt to focus on fuctionality, not paper specs. Its their strategy.
For us technophobes, we salivate over the IFixit breakdowns. We NEED to know how many MHz. We NEED to know how much RAM. We need to know the gamut.
But for the majority of buyers, Apple is banking (correctly) that they don't care. They just want to use the thing.
So, back to your ad. When Apple says display "features", they specifically mean
7.9 inch display
2048x1536 resolution
326 pixels per inch
It's what they list in their ad. No gamut, no saturation, no gretag macbeth, no grayscale, no whitepoint, no black levels, no contrast ratio. I mean, why just focus on gamut? These are all made up "features" that Anandtech tested in their review, and someone grabbed gamut and ran with it. They might as well have chosen Contrast Ratio. I mean, it is 50% lower than the Nexus 7. OMG! The horror!
Apple doesn't list these as "features" because, well, they can. They choose to focus on what they think will differentiate their product, and on what most people will care about. Their strategy works. Their products sell like hotcakes.
I'll skip the eyeroll this time.
Wait, you're bagging on people who own the mini, yet you own a RAM-gimped Air? Come back in 2014 when the iPad air has the right amount of RAM to run 64 bit iOS.
Do you honestly think you own a single Apple product that Apple didn't intentionally gimp to rake in more profits on the next revision? Welcome to reality, it's called planned obsolescence.
In the context of Apple's ad, I would call it "something you don't need to worry about".
Apple has de-emphasized "features" for a long time. They talk about 2X faster but don't quote MHz. They don't quote RAM. They stay away from these so called "features" as a concerted attempt to focus on fuctionality, not paper specs. Its their strategy.
For us technophobes, we salivate over the IFixit breakdowns. We NEED to know how many MHz. We NEED to know how much RAM. We need to know the gamut.
But for the majority of buyers, Apple is banking (correctly) that they don't care. They just want to use the thing.
So, back to your ad. When Apple says display "features", they specifically mean
7.9 inch display
2048x1536 resolution
326 pixels per inch
It's what they list in their ad. No gamut, no saturation, no gretag macbeth, no grayscale, no whitepoint, no black levels, no contrast ratio. I mean, why just focus on gamut? These are all made up "features" that Anandtech tested in their review, and someone grabbed gamut and ran with it. They might as well have chosen Contrast Ratio. I mean, it is 50% lower than the Nexus 7. OMG! The horror!
Apple doesn't list these as "features" because, well, they can. They choose to focus on what they think will differentiate their product, and on what most people will care about. Their strategy works. Their products sell like hotcakes.
I'll skip the eyeroll this time.
So the iPad boasts three features according to the world of zBoaster. Thank goodness you aren't working for Apple!
If someone claims that a device has a "full gamut", that is a feature of the device. Since you love definitions, here's one for ya:
fea·ture
/ˈfēCHər/
noun
noun: feature; plural noun: features
1.
a distinctive attribute or aspect of something.
Do we need to go through the definition of attributes as well? *EYEROLL*
The iPad display AD you posted boasts three features, yes. No need to get even snarkier with me. Actually, it was Apple marketing that put those THREE features under their display heading, not me. Why are you taking issue with ME? Talk to Apple. http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Ummmm, no.
If APPLE claims that device has a "full gamut", then it becomes a feature. Just because someone in the internet claims a feature doesn't make it so. The device designer and manufacturer has the last say on that, don't you think?
Sorry, you deserve this one.
The iPad display AD you posted boasts three features, yes. No need to get even snarkier with me. Actually, it was Apple marketing that put those THREE features under their display heading, not me. Why are you taking issue with ME? Talk to Apple. http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Ummmm, no.
If APPLE claims that device has a "full gamut", then it becomes a feature. Just because someone in the internet claims a feature doesn't make it so. The device designer and manufacturer has the last say on that, don't you think?
Sorry, you deserve this one.
I'm really not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. It's not a matter of someone claiming that a gamut is a feature. By a matter of simple definition, the gamut of a device is a feature. Empirically, by definition, it is. You can cut it any way you want. Doesn't matter. By definition, the gamut of a device is by all means a feature. You can argue all day until the cows come home, but you better rewrite every dictionary that's existed as well. Sorry to disappoint. If you got a problem, I'm sure Webster's will be interested in your input.
http://www.websters.com/feedback
Not according to Apple Marketing...
How original.
Ok, you want to know how pointless the gamut really is? Check this video review out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgtUSa01q_k
I saw it posted on another thread. THIS is why the whole color gamut "issue" really matters NOT.....
Not according to Apple Marketing...
How original.
Ok, you want to know how pointless the gamut really is? Check this video review out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgtUSa01q_k
I saw it posted on another thread. THIS is why the whole color gamut "issue" really matters NOT.....
Apple marketing didn't write the definition of feature, either. Maybe incorporating better words (identical, similiar, same - scratch all of those) should be on their to-do list after they improve the gamut of the Mini. I'll make sure to put that on their feedback section. Thanks!
I was going to point out the rMini's much higher ppi count, but ZBoater beat me to it. You're getting more than the Air offers with that feature.
Wasn't this the "Everyone Needs to Calm Down" thread? Apple has not ripped anyone off with the rMini. They would have had to force you to buy one, or lie about their product. Of course the features aren't 100% identical; they don't share the same size. What we do know is the rMini is a little underclocked compared to the Air, and its color gamut isn't as wide. It is a Retina display, and then some, however, and hence a Mini with Retina Display. Marketing is something Apple does very well, and that's why they're so profitable. This tablet won't get you girls, make your teeth whiter, or even enhance you manhood. I'm not a big fan of marketing, but I don't see that Apple has misled anyone....
I was reading Lisa Gade's review of the Nexus 7, and she said the colors were a bit much at times. Maybe a smaller screen looked better with a more subdued palette to the people at Apple. Maybe their is a diabolical plan to offer a full gamut Mini next year. None of us sit in at Apple board meetings, so it's all just speculation. If you like the rMini, enjoy. If you think another tablet offers a better visual experience, buy that. Nobody has a gun to their heads.
BTW... I have seen the rMini in person, and I like it. I might swing over to one of the stores surrounding my house that has them in stock tonight, and get one. I'm just enjoying the size of my Air so much, that the Mini's form factor isn't as important to me as it was 8 months ago.
Wasn't this the "Everyone Needs to Calm Down" thread?
Apple has not ripped anyone off with the rMini. They would have had to force you to buy one, or lie about their product. Of course the features aren't 100% identical; they don't share the same size. What we do know is the rMini is a little underclocked compared to the Air, and its color gamut isn't as wide. It is a Retina display, and then some, however, and hence a Mini with Retina Display. Marketing is something Apple does very well, and that's why they're so profitable. This tablet won't get you girls, make your teeth whiter, or even enhance you manhood. I'm not a big fan of marketing, but I don't see that Apple has misled anyone....I was reading Lisa Gade's review of the Nexus 7, and she said the colors were a bit much at times. Maybe a smaller screen looked better with a more subdued palette to the people at Apple. Maybe their is a diabolical plan to offer a full gamut Mini next year. None of us sit in at Apple board meetings, so it's all just speculation. If you like the rMini, enjoy. If you think another tablet offers a better visual experience, buy that. Nobody has a gun to their heads.
BTW... I have seen the rMini in person, and I like it. I might swing over to one of the stores surrounding my house that has them in stock tonight, and get one. I'm just enjoying the size of my Air so much, that the Mini's form factor isn't as important to me as it was 8 months ago.
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Not according to Apple Marketing...
How original.
Ok, you want to know how pointless the gamut really is? Check this video review out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgtUSa01q_k
I saw it posted on another thread. THIS is why the whole color gamut "issue" really matters NOT.....
That's an awful video..really awful...not sure what point the video was trying to prove other than this clueless guy loves his iPad Mini. I do however agree with your point of the gamut being a nonissue especially if the rMini is the only iPad you have. Going into the specifics of what is a feature, or what defines a feature is a little bit over the top here.
I really believe that half of these gamut threads are started by people who chose the Air and are doing everything they can to justify their reasoning. There is no doubt the Air screen has slightly more vivid colors, but the rMini is also a fantastic device. Do not let this gamut issue be the reason you decide to get the Air instead of the rMini. Portability is a much more important issue than this so called gamut, that looks great anyways.
I have both, and love them both.
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I was going to point out the rMini's much higher ppi count, but ZBoater beat me to it. You're getting more than the Air offers with that feature.
Wasn't this the "Everyone Needs to Calm Down" thread?
I was reading Lisa Gade's review of the Nexus 7, and she said the colors were a bit much at times. Maybe a smaller screen looked better with a more subdued palette to the people at Apple. Maybe their is a diabolical plan to offer a full gamut Mini next year. None of us sit in at Apple board meetings, so it's all just speculation. If you like the rMini, enjoy. If you think another tablet offers a better visual experience, buy that. Nobody has a gun to their heads.
BTW... I have seen the rMini in person, and I like it. I might swing over to one of the stores surrounding my house that has them in stock tonight, and get one. I'm just enjoying the size of my Air so much, that the Mini's form factor isn't as important to me as it was 8 months ago.
This is a fantastic post.
You missed the point. I found it relevant because the guy clearly LOVED his iPad mini, and its gamut was the FURTHEST thing from the guys head. Plus it was funny (albeit a bit cringeworthy) to watch
Great advice. Apple's return policies should make this a no brainer decision.
I'm not knocking anyone for liking their Mini. They should. It's a great device. But for the people who are complaining about the gamut then have to deal with the people who claimed that Apple never promised as vivid a display really need to think twice when Apple has made the claim the two are identical, with the only difference between the two being the size.
Apple's website clearly claims:
"Feature for feature, its identical to iPad Air in every way. Except for its super-portable, hold-it-in-one-hand, still-just-right mini size."
This is clearly untrue. The quality of the display is clearly, measurably, noticably inferior to the iPad Air, contrary to their claim.
I actually had a play with a retina Mini today and found the screen quality perfectly acceptable I must say and don't think you'd have any problems with it unless you put it next to an Air and/or were a professional requiring the absolute best in terms of gamut & accuracy.
That said, I'm sorry but Apple are indeed hiding the fact that the screens are different and this isn't acceptable.