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Michael Goff

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It also explains why Siri sucks as an AI, while Google Assistant is so good.

How?

Settings -> Google -> personal info & privacy -> activity controls -> web & app activity -> off
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(App usage)
Ios settings -> privacy -> diagnostics and usage -> automatically send

(Gps tracking)
Ios settings -> privacy -> location services -> system services -> frequent locations

"Find my iphone" will send Apple your location periodically and before it powers down.

^- looks like Apple does the same.

That was my point, Apple does it too.

The flip side, is you're just assuming that unconsented data collection is happening, when it could be very well consented.

Oh, it is consented. Everybody who clicks "send analytics" consents to having whatever information Apple wants sent to Apple. The only difference between iOS and Android in this regard is that iOS is opt in and Android is agreement through EULA.
 

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How?



That was my point, Apple does it too.



Oh, it is consented. Everybody who clicks "send analytics" consents to having whatever information Apple wants sent to Apple. The only difference between iOS and Android in this regard is that iOS is opt in and Android is agreement through EULA.
Or maybe this.
 

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mi7chy

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It's understandable to be paranoid when one doesn't understand what it's for and doesn't know how to turn it off. People used to be paranoid about Google Maps accessing calendar data until they experienced how useful predictive notifications are with reminders to leave early based on live traffic conditions to get to the event destination on time. Even iOS borrowed this feature. For the truly paranoid they can always abstain from signing into to their device (on Android only as there's no way to bypass sign-in on iOS AFAIK).

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I don't have an issue with Google tracking me because their services are waaay better than Apple which is why my iPhone is essentially a Google phone. Google Now on iOS already destroys Siri in functionality to me
 
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Google on IOS can't control the iphone and that is the major failing of google on ios, imo. If I don't want to give apple this information, at least I can turn off analytics. Right now, they are all on, with the option to turn them off.
 

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Google on IOS can't control the iphone and that is the major failing of google on ios, imo. If I don't want to give apple this information, at least I can turn off analytics. Right now, they are all on, with the option to turn them off.

With an android device, you can side load apps or use alternative app stores as well as not having to enter a google account. Just insert a sim card and use it. Zero analytics is given to Google.

With any ios device, the same is not true. You need an Apple account and must "activate" the device (asking Apple's servers for permission to use the device).
 
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mi7chy

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If you're someone who wants privacy Android is better since you don't have to sign in and are not forced to give up your identity/fingerprint/email/mobile # like you do on iOS. I've run across people who go this route and use a reputable FOSS software repository like F-Droid that doesn't require sign in.
 
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Google on IOS can't control the iphone and that is the major failing of google on ios, imo. If I don't want to give apple this information, at least I can turn off analytics. Right now, they are all on, with the option to turn them off.
They all collect this data. Google just shows it to you. Microsoft had buried a metric ton of privacy features before it uncovered some of them in the Creators update and I am sure there are more
 
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With an android device, you can side load apps or use alternative app stores as well as not having to enter a google account. Just insert a sim card and use it. Zero analytics is given to Google.

With any ios device, the same is not true. You need an Apple account and must "activate" the device (asking Apple's servers for permission to use the device).
Apple id is needed to lock the phone. Nothing goes to apple except if you consent.
 
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Google also stores recordings of every single Ok Google command you've ever given.
And allows you to review and delete them at any time. It is always a little disconcerting to see how often my family and our friends troll it with questions about woodchucks, poop, farts, burps, and Star Wars. Poor Alexa gets it the worst because she's in the standalone Echo right in the kitchen, and is frequently asked to play polkas, songs by The Village People, and 70's ballads as a means of tormenting each other, but I can't see or delete those queries, unfortunately. The same goes for Siri.

I am happy with the level of control I'm given over the data that is collected. At least I can see pretty much all of it. This means I do have to safeguard my log in.
 

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I think Apple says they do and store our voice samples for some number of years. I read it on this forum somewhere.
I recall reading something similar. Cannot recall where, but I'm pretty sure that they actually do that.
 

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Apple id is needed to lock the phone. Nothing goes to apple except if you consent.

You have to agree to Apple's rules (terms of service) to get an apple id, you need an apple id to use a ios device. So if you dont consent, you can't use the device.
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I think Apple says they do and store our voice samples for some number of years. I read it on this forum somewhere.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/428053/wiping-away-your-siri-fingerprint/

Apple says they keep them for 2 years and it is a recording of your voice, not the converted text they keep.

A voice print is like a finger print and can ID you uniquely. Siri also uploads your contact list and location and song list on your phone. Apple says they dont link the voice samples to your apple id, but if i was a hacker or government, i can combine that data to id you (ex: contact list will show "mom" as having ph # 555-1111 and you're located in L.A., not hard for government to figure out).
 

mi7chy

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This puts to rest the false claims that Apple respect your privacy. They don't. Ironically, Google do. With Android you have the freedom to choose between anonymity or the most intelligent services by sharing your data.
 
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You have to agree to Apple's rules (terms of service) to get an apple id, you need an apple id to use a ios device. So if you dont consent, you can't use the device.
Without setting up a google account, you are running a crippled phone. If you want to buy a $900 phone and run it like a $50 flip phone that's certainly your business, but it's in no way better than creating an apple id and unlocking the ecosystem across your idevices. The apple id ensures the phone is not locked, indicating a stolen phone, amongst other things.

In addition, that's a great 5 year old article. I'm sure nothing has changed with respect to technology, privacy and policy over the last 5 years.
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This puts to rest the false claims that Apple respect your privacy. They don't. Ironically, Google do. With Android you have the freedom to choose between anonymity or the most intelligent services by sharing your data.
Actually no it doesn't. Apple doesn't collect your data unless you specifically opt-in. If you want anonymity you have to buy a burner phone. As soon as you put the SIM card in your phone the carrier knows who you are and as long as some entity knows who you are anonymity is an illusion.
 

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Without setting up a google account, you are running a crippled phone. If you want to buy a $900 phone and run it like a $50 flip phone that's certainly your business, but it's in no way better than creating an apple id and unlocking the ecosystem across your idevices. The apple id ensures the phone is not locked, indicating a stolen phone, amongst other things.
You seem to be misinformed. I dont need a Google account to use my phone like a smartphone.Android allows APK installs and alternative app stores.I can make my Android a Microsoft phone without a trace of Google in it. Heck I can use Tugabrowser and dont even need Chrome

Actually no it doesn't. Apple doesn't collect your data unless you specifically opt-in.

Every company including MS and Apple collects data. Some hide it in the fine print while some choose to be upfront about it. Do you really believe theres 2 master switches you turn off and magically no data is collected?
 

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You seem to be misinformed. I dont need a Google account to use my phone like a smartphone.Android allows APK installs and alternative app stores.I can make my Android a Microsoft phone without a trace of Google in it. Heck I can use Tugabrowser and dont even need Chrome
You're answering the wrong question. It was about anonymity. There is no such things as anonymous. If you want to use an android phone without google, your carrier will still know every website you browse. You cannot get your gmail, you cannot get updates, etc. Running an android phone without google, makes no sense to me, but I suppose people will do what people will do. I trust apple more than the carriers and have no problem giving up my apple id to apple when I activate a new phone. At least it's not a crippled phone.

Every company including MS and Apple collects data. Some hide it in the fine print while some choose to be upfront about it. Do you really believe theres 2 master switches you turn off and magically no data is collected?
Nobody is arguing no data is never collected EVER by these entities.

The question at hand is can you trust your phone manufacturers or carrier to not collect data outside of the privacy policy, that you have not opted in for, that can personally identify you? The conspiracy theorists don't though. And according to them, there's a massive amount of data being collected without consent, and this would apply to android also.

There are certain basic things you can't get away from. The carrier knows the cell towers connected, the phone calls you make (unless it's from a social app). Stingrays can get all of this information.

And yes I believe there are two switches that stop the data collection from Apple. There are more switches but you if you wear a tin foil hat why even have multiple devices connected to your Apple account. But yes you can turn off iCloud, Siri etc but using your phone leaves a trail somewhere.
 

mi7chy

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Unlike iOS, Android doesn't force you to activate as you can use it on WIFI without activation. As far as SIM card identity, that has nothing to do with the OS and you can get around that by buying a prepaid SIM card with cash. A $900 Android phone is perfectly usable without signing into phone, browser, Google Maps, Waze, YouTube, SoundCloud, Reddit, etc. You can even side load apps without signing in. So, Android gets an A for privacy while iOS flunks with F.
 

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Unlike iOS, Android doesn't force you to activate as you can use it on WIFI without activation. As far as SIM card identity, that has nothing to do with the OS and you can get around that by buying a prepaid SIM card with cash. A $900 Android phone is perfectly usable without signing into phone, browser, Google Maps, Waze, YouTube, SoundCloud, Reddit, etc. You can even side load apps without signing in. So, Android gets an A for privacy while iOS flunks with F.
Tell us more about how you use your phone without activating it with a SIM card.

Google sells your data for ads. Android wouldn't be profitable without it. Apple gets its money elsewhere and is not interested in selling its customers' data.

That's the difference. With Google, your data escapes Google's possession, whereas with Apple, it doesn't.

I'll never stop finding it hilarious how Google-colored your nose is sometimes
 

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You have to agree to Apple's rules (terms of service) to get an apple id, you need an apple id to use a ios device. So if you dont consent, you can't use the device.
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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/428053/wiping-away-your-siri-fingerprint/

Apple says they keep them for 2 years and it is a recording of your voice, not the converted text they keep.

A voice print is like a finger print and can ID you uniquely. Siri also uploads your contact list and location and song list on your phone. Apple says they dont link the voice samples to your apple id, but if i was a hacker or government, i can combine that data to id you (ex: contact list will show "mom" as having ph # 555-1111 and you're located in L.A., not hard for government to figure out).
You don't need an apple ID to use an iOS device, just skip that step during set up, same as an Android phone. The advantage Android has is you'll be able to side load apps while on iOS you'd have to jailbreak it or go without apps.
 
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