I don't have to do anything. From the date the software is announced until you get it on the phone can be 9-10 months. That's assuming your device even gets the update.
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On the Fence Note 4 vs iPhone 6 Plus
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I don't have to do anything. From the date the software is announced until you get it on the phone can be 9-10 months. That's assuming your device even gets the update.
Waited until I had a day of use on my 6+ until I posted up. Coming from a note 3 it feels so good to be back on iOS. The main thing I have taken away from the past24 hours is how much more aesthetically pleasing iOS is then android. I took it as far as I could and ran every launcher under the sun, but now looking back there are ugly rough edges throughout android.
Also the apps I use most are totally different on iOS. I got the basic functionality but it seems that the android apps are all a afterthought.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me ios8 is gorgeous and the functionality is better for me.
Performance wise I never had issues with my note 3 and my 6+ is butter smooth. At this point phones are so fast that incremental spec bumps don't really have any real world benefits. I am happy with all aspects of the performance so far.
Camera is night and day better then the Samsung. The software on my note 3 ruined shots to the point I stopped using the camera and started bringing my rx100 everywhere. While the iPhone is no where near as good as my rx100 it is good enough to capture a good picture in almost any condition.
No regrets on not going note 4 except for the fact that it would be a smaller phone. Which is just crazy if you think about it.
Also the apps I use most are totally different on iOS. I got the basic functionality but it seems that the android apps are all a afterthought.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me ios8 is gorgeous and the functionality is better for me.
Performance wise I never had issues with my note 3 and my 6+ is butter smooth. At this point phones are so fast that incremental spec bumps don't really have any real world benefits. I am happy with all aspects of the performance so far.
Camera is night and day better then the Samsung. The software on my note 3 ruined shots to the point I stopped using the camera and started bringing my rx100 everywhere. While the iPhone is no where near as good as my rx100 it is good enough to capture a good picture in almost any condition.
No regrets on not going note 4 except for the fact that it would be a smaller phone. Which is just crazy if you think about it.
But it wasn't released until November when the Nexus 5 launched. Most Samsung flagships get two updates which covers you for the two year contract period. So still only 4 months from release as I previously stated.
My original galaxy note started life with gingerbread and was updated to ice cream sandwich and Jelly Bean. The Note 3 and Galaxy S4 started with jelly bean, both have been updated to kit kat and will at least get Android L. Two updates for the two years of the contract. Plus Google have now moved updates of their core services out of major OS updates, which means that core services can be updated via the play store. Google have also promised to push security updates, independent of major OS updates via the play store every 6 weeks.
Yes but as you said it's about 6 months for iOS. The difference is 3-4 months, not a year.
I agree with you here. Ergo I have decided to wait on the Note4.
Actually, the crowds in Canada weren't too bad in my area (at least haha). I got to go in , hell they even were still selling some on Saturday. I got my hands on the phone and despite the beautiful hardware, its the same ol same ol OS. Not my cup of tea anymore.
What modern specs are you bringing about? Everything on the iPhone is better. Camera, SoC, memory performance, ram performance was always superior (despite less amount), touch id, built in storage and even support! And almost every single reviewer already stated that both screens on the new iPhones, especially the plus, are the best they ever saw. The moment display mate review these iPhones, there goes this thread...
But the huge star is iOS. This version and these new iPhones will destroy Android on the high end. Annihilate it. Awesome.
The note will be a niche, like it deserves to be. Samsung will get pounced. Heck, no one on the media even cares about the note anymore... And compared with the iPhone... Just look at both. What was Samsung thinking? It is going to fail so hard.
Lol funny, you and everyone else with a right mind knows that the Note 4 has the best screen on the market and is the overall better device with few limitations. Look at displaymate review for goodness sake. Apple is still on 1080p and Samsung has QuadHD that does not effect battery life or performance. The Note 4 runs circles around the new Iphone. Furthermore, at least we Galaxy fans will be doing new and innovative things with our phones such as Virtual Reality and Real Multitasking with multiple windows open. Its not a surprise that Apple fanboys accept anything from Apple, even 1 gb of ram ironically
. IPhones are boring and nothing but a display with icons.
Oh, you've had a chance to use and extensively test the Note 4? On paper the camera is better, it has more RAM, miniSD card, display, form factor, etc., we can list all the specs if you want to. But we've already previously agreed that these specs are to a certain extent useless because it's all about how the OS runs on each specific set of hardware. As for the display, that's all well and fine but I'll wait until displaymate reviews it.
The huge star being iOS is the pile of dog crap IMO, once again that's MY opinion and the way I use my phone. I'm not arguing sales numbers as it will sell a lot, just what MY opinion of it is. I don't care if the Note is a niche phone, as long as it produces enough for me to purchase one every year. For MY purposes it's a MUCH superior platform, both hardware and OS and just does things that IMO are always a year or 2 ahead of iOS. IMO the Note 3, a year old phone, soundly trounces the iPhone 6 plus in almost every way. Once again based on my uses and my opinion. I cannot put a high enough value on things like stylus support, Wacom digitizer, one handed mode, true multitasking, multi windows, etc etc, just incredible things for day to day productivity and they allow me to leave my tablet at home.
You diehard fanboys with the "iPhone is going to annihilate Android" comments are a weird bunch, really. So much vitriol, so much hate and screaming about a company that is geared to marketing your dollars out of your wallet. I would HATE to see Android "annihilated", it would mean the end of competition and iOS would not have 1/2 of its features if it wasn't for the competitive spirit, and vice versa for Android of course. Weird and creepy.
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Talking about updates, I didn't think there was anything that kitkat added to my note 3. In fact some of the features that kitkat did add were already added by samsung anyway.
I'm not overly bothered if my phone gets the latest os straight away, it's not like I'll be sacrificing any features.
And although ios devices do tend to all get updated, it's rare that all the new features get ported across anyway.
I'm not overly bothered if my phone gets the latest os straight away, it's not like I'll be sacrificing any features.
And although ios devices do tend to all get updated, it's rare that all the new features get ported across anyway.
Lol funny, you and everyone else with a right mind knows that the Note 4 has the best screen on the market and is the overall better device with few limitations. Look at displaymate review for goodness sake. Apple is still on 1080p and Samsung has QuadHD that does not effect battery life or performance. The Note 4 runs circles around the new Iphone. Furthermore, at least we Galaxy fans will be doing new and innovative things with our phones such as Virtual Reality and Real Multitasking with multiple windows open. Its not a surprise that Apple fanboys accept anything from Apple, even 1 gb of ram ironically
What? You don't have any sort of formation on the area. You have no idea of what you are talking about.
The G3 has a QuadHD display. The unanimous decision? Both iPhones screens are just better. Do you understand how rational people measure screen quality? Pixels per inch is just one of many metrics, and it is increasingly irrelevant because the differences are just irrelevant. Again, you mentioned Displaymate's review, and that just goes on to show what kind of person I'm dealing with: Did you read that part in my post where I mentioned Displaymate? They haven't reviewed these new iPhones yet.
So there goes your flawgic: "The note 4 has the best screen". No. Everybody that reviewed an iPhone said that current devices have the absolutely best screens and while almost no one reviewed the new note 4 (so a direct comparison is still useless), all of them reviewed the G3. This is evidence one that your opinion doesn't count for everything, and you do well to represent the typical note user.
The note 4 doesn't run cycles around any single flagship from any single OEM, for obvious reasons. For starters, the best version will ship with a Snapdragon 805. If you are lucky, that's the version that you will have. It's a standard component, and every OEM will implement it when they feel like doing so. The difference is, just like a galaxy s5 is slower than the 100$ moto E (Here, Have fun), the new standard components won't do the note 4 any favors (More fun for you). Why? Everybody can use those components, every single OEM has lighter and more optimized skins, the S805 isn't a match for any iPhone because:
a) iOS vs Android, native performance Vs dalvik or even ART.
b) All of the more demanding software is on iOS, so even if there was a performance deficit it is irrelevant since only iOS devices actually have the "heavy" software to run;
c) Support. iOS devices are supported much longer, so having faster software for support-related reasons is a mute point.
d) Dev mentality: iOS first. Android an afterthought. (More)
Iphones are boring? Nothing more than rows of icons? What a sick observation. The iPhones is a platform. More than any Android device could ever be. It's the pinnacle of electronics. Of software. You can do endless things with an iPhone. You can't even use Android for any audio-related tasks, due to latency.
There is no excuse for 1GB of ram, but the fact is that the iPhone runs cycles around the competition, on every single task. Games, browsing, audio, support, business, ecosystem. And guess what, consumers are voting with their wallets. Interest on the Note 4 nose-dived the moment the world met these new iPhones.
So yeah, it's a nice device. Enjoy it. It will become way more exclusive. But that doesn't change that you are wrong on every single sentence of that post.
How is the camera better, on paper? Where is the data about the images processing software? That's the difference. Almost everybody uses Sony hardware for the camera (besides some nice touches like sapphire). The iPhone blows them all out of the water by a big margin. It's the software. The note has no chance. It never had.
And this is where your lack of knowledge shows up. Yes, the Note has more RAM, but how do you measure memory performance? Every single time, the iPhone is number 1. it just has better hardware and software to take advantage of that power. The note uses off the shelve components that everybody can use, if they feel like it. Mini SD card, with current memory options, only caters to the same people that like removable batteries: A insignificant minority. Android police has a nice article on it, feel free to check if you want to learn something:
I'm glad Apple's doing this, if only because it'll light a fire under the collective asses of Samsung and other Android OEMs to offer more storage options to customers that don't involve the joke that is the microSD card. I would bet strongly on this model shifting over to the next iPad this fall as well. When it comes to pricing for phones and tablets, Apple is the one case where I believe in trickle-down economics: this is going to change the strategies of competing companies, probably benefiting consumers at large. Ever try even finding a 64GB Android phone in the US? It's essentially impossible - carriers do not offer them, because everyone buys the base model. Maybe this will at least get Samsung to up their standard storage to 32GB, because these days 16GB is not cutting it. For once, Apple is doing something right by customers here: letting us know that, no, NAND really isn't that expensive./
Again, you have no idea of what you are talking about. And obviously, iOS is the star. Better ecosystem, better support, better use of hardware features. It's a phenomenal ecosystem that only gets stronger, with more and more costumers of the high end market and a bigger % of interest by developers and accessory makers. Android is about scraps.
Android won't die, obviously. But it will be a very very small minority of the high end market. The rest will still be all-android.
Yeah yeah, enjoy that soon to be niche product.
Kitkat adds nothing. Android versions since 4.1 added nothing to regular users. Android stopped evolving, its all about changing launchers and wallpapers now, for users, and try to scale Android down for wearables.
iOS devices always run the latest APIs, and that makes an world of difference of what apps run and how they run. If you are a dev, you know it. Of course an iPhone 4s can't run every feature an iPhone 6 can, but it has the latest APIs and will be able to enjoy a much better app experience than 99,9 % of Android users, almost full blown iOS 8.
But even on Android, without kitkat you are out of superior apps and services, like Google Camera. Only recently was Google Now Launcher available for my Galaxy device. But clearly developers already saw it in the wall:
If iOS ecosystem is this strong during the smartphone growth period (powered by low end devices), it's unstoppable. Eric Shmidt predicted that Devs would see Android as "THE" first class citizen in 2011. Guess what. It never happened then, it won't happen. iOS just keeps growing and getting stronger. Devs love it more than ever, and the discrepancy in interest is actually growing.
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i would have saved five mins from my life, if you have said this on the first line. now i had to read that mumbojumbo to realize, you dont know android at all.. im sorry i had to say that.
Of course I do. I use daily. There's nothing truly useful for regular users after 4.1. Maybe some performance improvements (badly needed) but OEMs do it.
There isn't anything at all on newer versions. Nothing. Maybe design languages that will roll out very slowly to the majority of users. Google doesn't even use the status bar transparency feature on their kitkat apps. Popular apps do not respect Google's guidelines.
It is what it is. But there were you: Reading a post with a gazilion facts and trying to find anything you could to attack what I know or don't know. I bet I know more about Android than you do. But it isn't about us, its about regular users.
You know, the millions that ditched (and are ditching) their "high end" Android devices and are trying to buy iPhones, right now.
Well I've only read one review so far, the one by tech radar which actually stated that the S5 has a better review than both of the new iPhones. Anyhow I don't care much for reviews. My opinion is the one you counts because I'm the one spending the money. I prefer amoled to LCD and I prefer Android to ios and your 1,000 word essay isn't going to change my mind sorry.
Its not about changing your mind. If you want a Note 4, fine. You don't even have to justify yourself, this is an internet forum after all.
Just don't lie and spread BS and FUD. Things like "it runs circles around", "has a better everything". It's just a bunch of lies that can be easily spotted. Everybody that likes the S-pen doesn't even have a decent alternative to the Note. But everybody that says that they prefer the note because of those lies... (speed, camera, screen, support, etc.) well, you know, is just lying through their teeth.
Every flagship from every OEM is faster than the Note. Of course, no one will die because of some hundredths of seconds, but it is how it is.
About reviews: Countless. The Verge, Business Insider, WSJ, The next web, Cnet, Recode, etc. Even Android Police. Ars Technica have iOS 8 reviews, and you already imagine their opinions: It's awesome. It's fantastic.
I can't way for their review of the iPhone, too. Again, use and enjoy your note 4, but Apple just ran over Samsung on this one. Huge growth opportunity for them on the high end. And Samsung...Will just keep declining, like the 3 previous quarters.
ran over samsung how? by bringing out what Android has had since what 2012/2013? fact is Iphone improved alot but it was about damn time. There is still nothing on the iphone plus that would make note users jump ship to. Ity's just a bigger iphone. It's not a real phablet as it has no extra features worth while.
It's a great upgrade for apple users and thats great but to say apple ran out samsung is foolish.
will apple sell millions and millions? of course. That what they do as people will buy their products no matter what. It's the coolest thing alive to own one of those I get it..doesn't mean It does anywhere near as much or as good as what samsung give you.
I'm looking forward to checking the iphone out in public to see for myself but on paper specs wise and what alot use their phone for it is still missing alot.
All I have to say to the two posters who have made this a Peeing contest is this:
Reviewers are almost NEVER unbiased, they get endorsements from the companies for the products they review. I say almost never, ie: take for example Consumer Reports for Cars. They are entirely self sufficient and don't need advertising or any funding from the car companies, therefore they are able to review the vehicles based on long term usage with unbiased opinions (well, including user reviews for satisfaction also).
Not a single reviewer is going to say either Note or Iphone are complete crap, they might include just enough negatives to come across as presenting a fair assessment of the device, but very few of these sources are very credible in my opinion.
That being said, some lower end devices have been gently torpedoed but never enough to limit the dollar bottom line.
It's really nice to read these so called professionals telling us that we made a good choice either way, truly even I enjoy that aspect of it.
So you can puke out all the "facts" from some dude who writes a tech column all you want, the bottom line is whether YOU like the device, not whether some anonymous guy/girl behind a screen is crapping on your choice.
After having looked at the Iphone devices in store, I have decided that I like what the Note has to offer by assessing the Note3 and checking out the new features (research) that the Note 4 will offer.
Reviewers are almost NEVER unbiased, they get endorsements from the companies for the products they review. I say almost never, ie: take for example Consumer Reports for Cars. They are entirely self sufficient and don't need advertising or any funding from the car companies, therefore they are able to review the vehicles based on long term usage with unbiased opinions (well, including user reviews for satisfaction also).
Not a single reviewer is going to say either Note or Iphone are complete crap, they might include just enough negatives to come across as presenting a fair assessment of the device, but very few of these sources are very credible in my opinion.
That being said, some lower end devices have been gently torpedoed but never enough to limit the dollar bottom line.
It's really nice to read these so called professionals telling us that we made a good choice either way, truly even I enjoy that aspect of it.
So you can puke out all the "facts" from some dude who writes a tech column all you want, the bottom line is whether YOU like the device, not whether some anonymous guy/girl behind a screen is crapping on your choice.
After having looked at the Iphone devices in store, I have decided that I like what the Note has to offer by assessing the Note3 and checking out the new features (research) that the Note 4 will offer.
I fail to understand what you were trying to say. Apple just offered almost everything that Android and OEMs can offer + something Apple only can offer.
There are countless reasons for ditching Galaxy Notes and go running to the iPhone. A faster phone is one. More support and better ecosystem is other. Innovative and useful features that actually work like Touch ID is other. For millions of users, this is what it takes. It's that Vs S-pen. The note 4 will become a niche device, like it deserves to be.
People buy their products no matter what? No. Those are the typical Samsung clients, and posters like you. Samsung doesn't spend a cent making an OS and native android services/app stores/IDE/deals/etc. Samsung doesn't spend a cent designing Qualcomm SoC. Samsung doesn't maintain an operating system.
Meanwhile, they sell their devices that are supported less, take not so great pictures and videos, and price it the same. The typical samsung costumer thinks that he is buying the phone that is the fastest, takes better pictures, has the best software, when that was never the case. Those are the sheep. Samsung is the one that spends everything they can on stupid ads. Samsung is the one that targets the uninformed. They can't even have the level of fluidity of a Moto E on their flagship device.
Every Apple product is evaluate to the atomic level. People are always waiting and testing just to try and find a reason to put the device and even the company in question and as going as out of business "tomorrow". iPhone users are always criticized as "sheep" by ignorant forum trolls that usual fall for Samsung propaganda and use Galaxy devices. The irony.
Again, if you prefer the note 4, fine. There's a few legitimate reasons for that, like the S-pen, a niche feature. But for regular users, those that want a premium device with a big screen, Apple ran over Samsung.
Samsung will keep going down in profits, because their % of the high end market is going to get squeezed. Looks like we both are fine with that, so there's nothing to discuss.
On the Fence Note 4 vs iPhone 6 Plus
I've never had one person look at my Note 3 and say that. Most everyone is stunned by it's capabilities in size and ask why I prefer it. I then proceed to show them. Again, no one has ever commented on teh chrome ring.
The screen is stunning and it's performance is killer. That's what people notice.
I've never had one person look at my Note 3 and say that. Most everyone is stunned by it's capabilities in size and ask why I prefer it. I then proceed to show them. Again, no one has ever commented on teh chrome ring.
The screen is stunning and it's performance is killer. That's what people notice.
Have to agree with this. I've got no issue with the fake surround, or the build quality in general. In fact, I actually like the back cover as well - feels comfortable to hold and makes the phone grippy.
Funny you mention the back. before my vacation this week I was at a large trade show and with all the iPhone hype, my Note 3 seemed to attract a lot more attention and one of things people were looking at was the back. comments were all about how far technology has come when you can make a plastic back of a phone look and feel more like leather than the plastics in the higher end cars.
Exactly, I also admire how when you take the back off it flexes and feels flimsy yet when on it's rock solid.
For anyone on the fence I just checked out Verizon's site and they have the note 4 pre order for 699 and its a 32gb phone! That's for the people that want to keep there unlimited data and is a deal! I think they made a mistake and listed it 100 cheaper
Edit att has it for 850 unlocked that's 150 off msrp!
Edit att has it for 850 unlocked that's 150 off msrp!
Apple finally offered larger phones, but in terms of just about everything an Android or OEM Can offer, they still have a ways to go. Their strength is a consistent and pleasant user experience out of the box that most will enjoy, no doubt. However, they have yet to evolve and capture the market for users who wish to do more than just the basics.
. More support is debatable. Calling or going into an Apple store is no different than calling or going into a store for help with a non iOS Phone. Besides, who really needs "support" on a smart phone any more?
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define run-over. I would say not. They came out with a big version of what they already had. yawn.
At least with the note range, samsung has clearly put in a lot of thought with how to make use of the big screen, with multi window etc. With the iphone 6+ it seems all they've done is increase the screen size and then added a clunky one handed use mode as an afterthought.