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pdqgp

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Again, you mentioned Displaymate's review, and that just goes on to show what kind of person I'm dealing with: Did you read that part in my post where I mentioned Displaymate? They haven't reviewed these new iPhones yet.

dude, you still have yet to address my points about the screen quality, displaymate and your comments from last week. way to duck and hide and then try and resurface. let's you and I personally bookmark this post so when displaymate tests the new iPhone we can continue. Angus peppering awaits you, I'm confident of that.

So there goes your flawgic: "The note 4 has the best screen". No. Everybody that reviewed an iPhone said that current devices have the absolutely best screens and while almost no one reviewed the new note 4 (so a direct comparison is still useless), all of them reviewed the G3. This is evidence one that your opinion doesn't count for everything, and you do well to represent the typical note user.

Again, let's see you argue with displaymate, the leader in this area. insert HUGE rolling eyes here.

Iphones are boring? Nothing more than rows of icons? What a sick observation. The iPhones is a platform. More than any Android device could ever be. It's the pinnacle of electronics. Of software. You can do endless things with an iPhone
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iPhones is a platform? I thought iOS was their platform? How is an iPhone and iOS a hardware and software based solution more than an Android will ever be? What are it's capabilities over a Note 3?

consumers are voting with their wallets. Interest on the Note 4 nose-dived the moment the world met these new iPhones
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and the vast majoirity of the public voted for Obama too. the masses are dumb and you know that. voting with their brains would be what I would hope for...

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At least with the note range, samsung has clearly put in a lot of thought with how to make use of the big screen, with multi window etc. With the iphone 6+ it seems all they've done is increase the screen size and then added a clunky one handed use mode as an afterthought.

it is telling that Apple made this move so late, the way they did and without much true Apple though. It's actually very unlike Apple. It's like they created a bigger screen just because the knew they had to and that they were years behind. They did so without coming forward with anything other than meeting what others have been doing. odd.
 

spinedoc77

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What? You don't have any sort of formation on the area. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

The G3 has a QuadHD display. The unanimous decision? Both iPhones screens are just better. Do you understand how rational people measure screen quality? Pixels per inch is just one of many metrics, and it is increasingly irrelevant because the differences are just irrelevant. Again, you mentioned Displaymate's review, and that just goes on to show what kind of person I'm dealing with: Did you read that part in my post where I mentioned Displaymate? They haven't reviewed these new iPhones yet.

So there goes your flawgic: "The note 4 has the best screen". No. Everybody that reviewed an iPhone said that current devices have the absolutely best screens and while almost no one reviewed the new note 4 (so a direct comparison is still useless), all of them reviewed the G3. This is evidence one that your opinion doesn't count for everything, and you do well to represent the typical note user.

The note 4 doesn't run cycles around any single flagship from any single OEM, for obvious reasons. For starters, the best version will ship with a Snapdragon 805. If you are lucky, that's the version that you will have. It's a standard component, and every OEM will implement it when they feel like doing so. The difference is, just like a galaxy s5 is slower than the 100$ moto E (Here, Have fun), the new standard components won't do the note 4 any favors (More fun for you). Why? Everybody can use those components, every single OEM has lighter and more optimized skins, the S805 isn't a match for any iPhone because:

a) iOS vs Android, native performance Vs dalvik or even ART.
b) All of the more demanding software is on iOS, so even if there was a performance deficit it is irrelevant since only iOS devices actually have the "heavy" software to run;
c) Support. iOS devices are supported much longer, so having faster software for support-related reasons is a mute point.
d) Dev mentality: iOS first. Android an afterthought. (More)

Iphones are boring? Nothing more than rows of icons? What a sick observation. The iPhones is a platform. More than any Android device could ever be. It's the pinnacle of electronics. Of software. You can do endless things with an iPhone. You can't even use Android for any audio-related tasks, due to latency.

There is no excuse for 1GB of ram, but the fact is that the iPhone runs cycles around the competition, on every single task. Games, browsing, audio, support, business, ecosystem. And guess what, consumers are voting with their wallets. Interest on the Note 4 nose-dived the moment the world met these new iPhones.

So yeah, it's a nice device. Enjoy it. It will become way more exclusive. But that doesn't change that you are wrong on every single sentence of that post.



How is the camera better, on paper? Where is the data about the images processing software? That's the difference. Almost everybody uses Sony hardware for the camera (besides some nice touches like sapphire). The iPhone blows them all out of the water by a big margin. It's the software. The note has no chance. It never had.

And this is where your lack of knowledge shows up. Yes, the Note has more RAM, but how do you measure memory performance? Every single time, the iPhone is number 1. it just has better hardware and software to take advantage of that power. The note uses off the shelve components that everybody can use, if they feel like it. Mini SD card, with current memory options, only caters to the same people that like removable batteries: A insignificant minority. Android police has a nice article on it, feel free to check if you want to learn something:

I'm glad Apple's doing this, if only because it'll light a fire under the collective asses of Samsung and other Android OEMs to offer more storage options to customers that don't involve the joke that is the microSD card. I would bet strongly on this model shifting over to the next iPad this fall as well. When it comes to pricing for phones and tablets, Apple is the one case where I believe in trickle-down economics: this is going to change the strategies of competing companies, probably benefiting consumers at large. Ever try even finding a 64GB Android phone in the US? It's essentially impossible - carriers do not offer them, because everyone buys the base model. Maybe this will at least get Samsung to up their standard storage to 32GB, because these days 16GB is not cutting it. For once, Apple is doing something right by customers here: letting us know that, no, NAND really isn't that expensive./

Again, you have no idea of what you are talking about. And obviously, iOS is the star. Better ecosystem, better support, better use of hardware features. It's a phenomenal ecosystem that only gets stronger, with more and more costumers of the high end market and a bigger % of interest by developers and accessory makers. Android is about scraps.

Android won't die, obviously. But it will be a very very small minority of the high end market. The rest will still be all-android.


Yeah yeah, enjoy that soon to be niche product.



Kitkat adds nothing. Android versions since 4.1 added nothing to regular users. Android stopped evolving, its all about changing launchers and wallpapers now, for users, and try to scale Android down for wearables.

iOS devices always run the latest APIs, and that makes an world of difference of what apps run and how they run. If you are a dev, you know it. Of course an iPhone 4s can't run every feature an iPhone 6 can, but it has the latest APIs and will be able to enjoy a much better app experience than 99,9 % of Android users, almost full blown iOS 8.

But even on Android, without kitkat you are out of superior apps and services, like Google Camera. Only recently was Google Now Launcher available for my Galaxy device. But clearly developers already saw it in the wall:

If iOS ecosystem is this strong during the smartphone growth period (powered by low end devices), it's unstoppable. Eric Shmidt predicted that Devs would see Android as "THE" first class citizen in 2011. Guess what. It never happened then, it won't happen. iOS just keeps growing and getting stronger. Devs love it more than ever, and the discrepancy in interest is actually growing.

Lol, still the same blowharding over nothing, must get tiring. Once again I'm talking about specs, the camera has higher values. Does this translate into a better camera? WE DONT KNOW until we can test and benchmark the device.

As for iOS performance, who cares? Android functions quite well, no lags, no stutter, no crashing apps. Its a MUCH more functional OS for my uses, iOS is a toy OS to me. Ecosystem I'm not too familiar with, but I've had no, issue finding apps. I'm more of a windows tablet guy anyhow and that ecosystem trounces both of them, but that's another debate.

I'll offer my challenge again, none of your blowharding, arguing unsubstantiated, undocumented BS. Which apps run worse in android? lets put them side by side and video them and prove or disprove what is only pure conjecture from you. Lets do it, no more talking.

Yeah I thought so, after software we are left with hardware, the specs speak for themselves but specs are unimportant if the experience is good. You keep going back to specs, I'm not sure why because the Note 4 trounces the iphone, but WHO CARES? You would solidify your own argument by realizing the user experience trumps hardware anyway. For that we will need in depth reviews, but initial reviews ALL rave about how fast and great looking the note 4 is, no mention of lag because it does not exist.

In the end I'm not sure who you are arguing against. I'm not seeing anyone say the iphone will fail, its a wildly popular device that will sell millions and millions. I'd hate to see any player fail and take away the competition which fuels innovation.
 

Shanghaichica

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I fail to understand what you were trying to say. Apple just offered almost everything that Android and OEMs can offer + something Apple only can offer.

There are countless reasons for ditching Galaxy Notes and go running to the iPhone. A faster phone is one. More support and better ecosystem is other. Innovative and useful features that actually work like Touch ID is other. For millions of users, this is what it takes. It's that Vs S-pen. The note 4 will become a niche device, like it deserves to be.

People buy their products no matter what? No. Those are the typical Samsung clients, and posters like you. Samsung doesn't spend a cent making an OS and native android services/app stores/IDE/deals/etc. Samsung doesn't spend a cent designing Qualcomm SoC. Samsung doesn't maintain an operating system.

Meanwhile, they sell their devices that are supported less, take not so great pictures and videos, and price it the same. The typical samsung costumer thinks that he is buying the phone that is the fastest, takes better pictures, has the best software, when that was never the case. Those are the sheep. Samsung is the one that spends everything they can on stupid ads. Samsung is the one that targets the uninformed. They can't even have the level of fluidity of a Moto E on their flagship device.

Every Apple product is evaluate to the atomic level. People are always waiting and testing just to try and find a reason to put the device and even the company in question and as going as out of business "tomorrow". iPhone users are always criticized as "sheep" by ignorant forum trolls that usual fall for Samsung propaganda and use Galaxy devices. The irony.

Again, if you prefer the note 4, fine. There's a few legitimate reasons for that, like the S-pen, a niche feature. But for regular users, those that want a premium device with a big screen, Apple ran over Samsung.

Samsung will keep going down in profits, because their % of the high end market is going to get squeezed. Looks like we both are fine with that, so there's nothing to discuss.

Where is the micro SD card slot?
The removable battery
The real filing system
The ability to run two apps at the s a me time
The ability to change default apps
The ability to use wearing any type of gloves
The on screen widgets
The real sharing options
The water resistance
The ability to do real customisation
The ability to sync the display of phone onto the screen of my tablet and use my phone via a second display on the tablets screen.
The ability to activate the voice assistant from any screen, hands free.
Where is the S-pen

Just a few things off the top of my head that iOS 8 does not offer.
 

pdqgp

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But the huge star is iOS. This version and these new iPhones will destroy Android on the high end. Annihilate it. Awesome.

why is it you consistently make such statements and NEVER back them up with actual examples and details to support said statements? Feel free to contribute less text / opinions and perhaps instead support your comments with facts.
 

Markyboy81

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Is it the phenomenon of buyer's remorse, when someone spends a heck of a lot of money on something and then needs to justify to themselves that it was definitely worth the money, despite nagging doubts that there are other products out there for cheaper and that provide the same thing or in this case quite a bit more?
 

pdqgp

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Just a few things off the top of my head that iOS 8 does not offer.

"With yesterday's launch of iOS 8, devices running the new operating system are now able to install third-party keyboards that work on a systemwide basis"

but Apple is so "innovative":rolleyes:

"Another improvement made to iOS 8 and thus the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus is Exposure Control, which allows for manual control over exposure and thus more control over the way photos turn out. "

Amazingly innovative.

At least they are finally offering phase detection AutoFocus. Perhaps they needed to keep up with the S5 that had it already. OIS is another upgrade Apple added but only on one of their models. Again, playing catch up....
 
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spinedoc77

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Personally I'm not arguing that Apple didn't steamroll Samsung here. Whether they simply copied, copied then copied some more is irrelevant, this can't be good news for Samsung. I still think Samsung does a larger screen much better even ignoring the s-pen. Just the multi windows feature is amazing to have, and the one handed mode is truly functional.

I don't look at it as a versus thing though, I'd rather not be THAT rabid fanboy foaming at the mouth, running for his computer to prove someone else wrong. I'd rather see this as an incredible opportunity for Samsung to step up and innovate once again. If it's not Samsung then another company. I'm certainly no Samsung fanboy, the only reason I really stay with their hardware is the s-pen and their second to none large screen experience. If the iPhone 6 plus had a stylus I would certainly consider switching, although I would sorely miss many aspects of android such as widgets, but it looks like apple is well on its way copying even this functionality.
 

PFKMan23

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Is it the phenomenon of buyer's remorse, when someone spends a heck of a lot of money on something and then needs to justify to themselves that it was definitely worth the money, despite nagging doubts that there are other products out there for cheaper and that provide the same thing or in this case quite a bit more?

Or just justifying their purchase. I've seen it in other hobbies where people buy something expensive blind because it's a custom item and unreturnable.
 

pedromcm.pm

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"With yesterday's launch of iOS 8, devices running the new operating system are now able to install third-party keyboards that work on a systemwide basis"

but Apple is so "innovative":rolleyes:

"Another improvement made to iOS 8 and thus the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus is Exposure Control, which allows for manual control over exposure and thus more control over the way photos turn out. "

Amazingly innovative.

At least they are finally offering phase detection AutoFocus. Perhaps they needed to keep up with the S5 that had it already. OIS is another upgrade Apple added but only on one of their models. Again, playing catch up....

If you have free time and want to learn so you can say anything other than BS, read Ars technics iOS 8 review. Then read Anandtech's.

After that, medicate about the fact that the iPhone 5s takes better photos/videos than the galaxy s5 on any situation (for both).

Then think how much the iPhone will bury the S and Note line this year and how much Samsung Mobile is declining.

After that, say something. I will read it.
 

HiDEF

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why is it you consistently make such statements and NEVER back them up with actual examples and details to support said statements? Feel free to contribute less text / opinions and perhaps instead support your comments with facts.


Some love to argue just for the sake of it. People who know technology have dabbled with both platform and come out always saying how both are excellent in real world test.

And they always come out saying that if you're invested in Apple ecosystem, go with Apple. But if you want more customization, go with Android.

It's the beauty of this industry.
 

khha4113

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If you have free time and want to learn so you can say anything other than BS, read Ars technics iOS 8 review. Then read Anandtech's.

After that, medicate about the fact that the iPhone 5s takes better photos/videos than the galaxy s5 on any situation (for both).

Then think how much the iPhone will bury the S and Note line this year and how much Samsung Mobile is declining.

After that, say something. I will read it.

From Anantech review of IOS 8

but from the perspective of a user there's no real wow factor with iOS 8 right now.

Arstechnica review

The Bad

. Still no public transit directions in Maps.
. Eats up more storage space, a problem especially for 8GB and 16GB iOS devices.
. iPhone calling integration works, but audio quality could be better.
. Not all of the features advertised at WWDC were actually done in time for release.
. Hungry for additional screen space in a way that is unkind to devices like the iPhone 4S.
. Free iCloud drive storage is limited, higher capacity tiers aren't price-competitive.
. With great new features comes the possibility of great new bugs. Look at some of the problems developers have had with extensions as an example.

The Ugly

. User interface fluidity and responsiveness takes a dive on older iPhones and iPads with Apple A5 chips.
 

pedromcm.pm

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Some love to argue just for the sake of it. People who know technology have dabbled with both platform and come out always saying how both are excellent in real world test.

And they always come out saying that if you're invested in Apple ecosystem, go with Apple. But if you want more customization, go with Android.

It's the beauty of this industry.

And that is the truth. I use Google services and Jelly bean. My only disdain is related with Android skins, these "pseudo" Samsung High end devices that are extremely overpriced and only sell to those that fall for Samsung advertisement.

Fast devices my ass. A device like the Moto G is leagues ahead than any samsung device. Samsung should be ashamed of their devices and software. But despite declining for 3 quarters in a Row (yoy) they still sell a lot. Why? That's what spending more than everybody else combined on ads give you.

But that will change soon enough.

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And? Both agree that the OS is insanely fantastic and Devs will really do awesome things, while Android keeps getting behind.
 

HiDEF

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And that is the truth. I use Google services and Jelly bean. My only disdain is related with Android skins, these "pseudo" Samsung High end devices that are extremely overpriced and only sell to those that fall for Samsung advertisement.



Fast devices my ass. A device like the Moto G is leagues ahead than any samsung device. Samsung should be ashamed of their devices and software. But despite declining for 3 quarters in a Row (yoy) they still sell a lot. Why? That's what spending more than everybody else combined on ads give you.



But that will change soon enough.


Agreed. Pure Android is the way to go, no doubt.
 

Shanghaichica

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If you have free time and want to learn so you can say anything other than BS, read Ars technics iOS 8 review. Then read Anandtech's.

After that, medicate about the fact that the iPhone 5s takes better photos/videos than the galaxy s5 on any situation (for both).

Then think how much the iPhone will bury the S and Note line this year and how much Samsung Mobile is declining.

After that, say something. I will read it.

I've owned and used both the iphone 5S and the S5 and the 5S does not take better pictures in good lighting. I only owned the 5S for 28 days but I've still got some of the pics I took with it. On the iphone 5S they looked pretty good but when I put them on my note 3/S5/ Tab pro/ ipad air they didn't look that good.
 

azhurvadal

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And that is the truth. I use Google services and Jelly bean. My only disdain is related with Android skins, these "pseudo" Samsung High end devices that are extremely overpriced and only sell to those that fall for Samsung advertisement.

Fast devices my ass. A device like the Moto G is leagues ahead than any samsung device. Samsung should be ashamed of their devices and software. But despite declining for 3 quarters in a Row (yoy) they still sell a lot. Why? That's what spending more than everybody else combined on ads give you.

But that will change soon enough.

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And? Both agree that the OS is insanely fantastic and Devs will really do awesome things, while Android keeps getting behind.

You like fast devices, so you love apple & moto and you hate samsung devices because they are slow but sell a lot. Got it..

But it's not android who keeps getting behind. It's iOS who keep following up.

The only features that iOS8 has over android is family sharing & continuity.
Extensibility? Customization? Split screen windows? Way behind android
 

spinedoc77

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I've owned and used both the iphone 5S and the S5 and the 5S does not take better pictures in good lighting. I only owned the 5S for 28 days but I've still got some of the pics I took with it. On the iphone 5S they looked pretty good but when I put them on my note 3/S5/ Tab pro/ ipad air they didn't look that good.

I find that full light and/or outside pics on the Note 3 are much better than the 5s. The 5s is nicer in low light situations though. The only thing I hated about my 5s was the horrible shutter lag, it was completely unacceptable to me the amount of pictures that I didn't catch of my 2 year old. A camera is only worth the pictures it does take IMO.

The other thing about the camera is 4k video recording. I'm not sure but I was under the impression that the ip6's do not have 4k recording. The note 3 has had it for a year and it's quite impressive. 4k televisions are exploding and the prices are dropping very fast so this is just a nice feature to have. It's also another reason to have the capability to expand storage by 128gb with a microSD card. I can almost guarantee some rabid fan is going to say 4k recording is a "gimmick" though, for me it's a modern feature matching other current technology instead of being yesterdays technology.
 
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pdqgp

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If you have free time and want to learn so you can say anything other than BS, read Ars technics iOS 8 review. Then read Anandtech's.


Where have I posted BS?

After that, medicate about the fact that the iPhone 5s takes better photos/videos than the galaxy s5 on any situation (for both).

You think? Care to partake in a challenge? Me and you. I'm in how about you? My Note 3 vs whatever iPhone you want to use. Please use the 5s if you do. what bokeh you will get sucks so be prepared to lose there.

After that, say something. I will read it.

How about you start posting facts.
 
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spinedoc77

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Where have I posted BS?



You think? Care to partake in a challenge? Me and you. I'm in how about you? My Note 3 vs whatever iPhone you want to use.



How about you start posting facts.

Meh, facts are overrated. Rabid mouth foaming fanboying of a personal opinion is a much more valued trait on these forums. Why post research, statistics, etc. when one persons opinion is so much more scientific and valuable?
 

pdqgp

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I find that full light and/or outside pics on the Note 3 are much better than the 5s. The 5s is nicer in low light situations though.

The note does suffer from too much j peg processing for sharpness and then too much NR in low light. The good news is however with the resolution it offers the images post process wonderfully and easily yield even large size prints.

the other thing about the camera is 4k video recording. I'm not sure but I was under the impression that the ip6's do not have 4k recording. The note 3 has had it for a year and it's quite impressive. I can almost guarantee some rabid fan is going to say 4k recording is a "gimmick" though, for me it's a modern feature matching other current technology instead of being yesterdays technology.

Here too the added resolution is wonderful for post processing.
 

AustinIllini

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Meh, facts are overrated. Rabid mouth foaming fanboying of a personal opinion is a much more valued trait on these forums. Why post research, statistics, etc. when one persons opinion is so much more scientific and valuable?

Name calling is indicative of a lost argument or a lack of intelligence. Nice try, though.
 

spinedoc77

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Name calling is indicative of a lost argument or a lack of intelligence. Nice try, though.

The shoe fits? My post wasn't directed at you though. But since you decided to name call by insinuating a lack of intelligence on my part I'd say your post refers to yourself as well. Nice try indeed.
 

pdqgp

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Oohara

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What modern specs are you bringing about? Everything on the iPhone is better. Camera, SoC, memory performance, ram performance was always superior (despite less amount), touch id, built in storage and even support! And almost every single reviewer already stated that both screens on the new iPhones, especially the plus, are the best they ever saw. The moment display mate review these iPhones, there goes this thread...

Well, Display mate just did review the new iPhone screens, so I guess the thread is over then :)

From the Displaymate article:
The Best Smartphone Display
The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are the current Best Mobile LCD Displays and the Galaxy S5 and Galaxy Note 4 are the current Best Mobile OLEDs Displays. Both are impressive and excellent displays with great state-of-the-art display technology. We recently gave the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 our overall Best Smartphone Display award, and for the time being that continues for all of the reasons originally mentioned there. In particular, for implementing Color Management to provide multiple Color Gamuts, and then using the Color Management to provide the Highest Absolute Color Accuracy for Standard (sRGB/Rec.709) consumer content of any Smartphone or Tablet display that we have ever measured (in one of its four available screen modes, which many reviewers seem to overlook). As we discuss next, dynamic Color Management is something that every display will need to provide in the future.
 

pdqgp

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