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Only 7 years of support from release date is unacceptable for a $2000+ personal computer.
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Your computer was discontinued in 2021, if you were worried about the temporal length of official support you should have purchased one of the newest Macs available.
Seven years of software updates from release seems entirely reasonable. It's not like it is suddenly going to stop working.
You have no idea what Microsoft is going to do, and in fact you can still buy a PC TODAY that will does not officially support windows 11, which means Microsoft will no longer support it as of this October.
The 2019 iMac 27" was discontinued in August 2020, so it will get 7 years of support after its discontinued data and if it missed the fall update and gets two years of security updates ending in Fall 2027. This is not yet on the vintage list as far as I can tell.
My Mac mini 2018 was discontinued in January 2023, so it might get less than 5 years of support after its discontinue date. It would still be in the 5 year hardware support windows as far as I can figure. This is on the vintage list.
It sucks when you Mac missed the OS update and starts on the path to no security updates. I can't see Apple not providing security updates to a Mac Mini for 5-7 years, so maybe we will get lucky and the security updates for MacOS 18 will continue longer than expected.
My Mac mini 2018 was discontinued in January 2023, so it might get less than 5 years of support after its discontinue date. It would still be in the 5 year hardware support windows as far as I can figure. This is on the vintage list.
It sucks when you Mac missed the OS update and starts on the path to no security updates. I can't see Apple not providing security updates to a Mac Mini for 5-7 years, so maybe we will get lucky and the security updates for MacOS 18 will continue longer than expected.
7 years? Try 14!
I have a 2011 Macbook Air that still works with iCloud services, and can even use Photo Stream to push photo edits from Aperture to iCloud Photos. The old Notes layer still exists underneath the old one as does the reminders. There is actually a weird under-cloud system that still lets older devices (iPhone 6 etc) still communicate outside of new ones!
Apple turn off these features for newer devices but they stay active for older ones. You can even use Frogfind.com to make the modern internet work on older machines by reducing it to text and hyperlinks. (Heck, this isn’t a bad way to browse on new ones!)
It’s not practical to use such an older machine for anything other than unsupported app and features but it does still work.
I have a 2011 Macbook Air that still works with iCloud services, and can even use Photo Stream to push photo edits from Aperture to iCloud Photos. The old Notes layer still exists underneath the old one as does the reminders. There is actually a weird under-cloud system that still lets older devices (iPhone 6 etc) still communicate outside of new ones!
Apple turn off these features for newer devices but they stay active for older ones. You can even use Frogfind.com to make the modern internet work on older machines by reducing it to text and hyperlinks. (Heck, this isn’t a bad way to browse on new ones!)
It’s not practical to use such an older machine for anything other than unsupported app and features but it does still work.
I mean, the software security concerns are valid, if mostly able to be worked around by installing another web browser (at minimum) or another OS.
But if you’re that concerned about security in general, what on earth are you doing buying computers used? (Rhetorical question, not actually aimed at you.)
I still have my 2014 Macbook Air, it works better and is faster than my Windows 11 Laptop.
I am thinking of getting a new laptop and installing windows 10 on it, as Microsoft not making anymore updates is the greatest thing that could happen for Windows. Automatic Updates is an annoyance from hell, I never let my Windows install updates it's self, I install updates as needed myself. You can install all the necessary security patches you want and still get hacked. The security of your Os and Computer is in your own hands.
Then Firefox will probably support windows 10 for at least a few more years, and steam still works with Windows 10 for now.
As for Microsoft after official support of an Os ends they have Extended Support through the ESU of course that is a paid support service, but still exist.
So Apple could do 7 years official support then have a paid ESU program for people who want to continue to use a not so outdated Mac for a few more years.
I am thinking of getting a new laptop and installing windows 10 on it, as Microsoft not making anymore updates is the greatest thing that could happen for Windows. Automatic Updates is an annoyance from hell, I never let my Windows install updates it's self, I install updates as needed myself. You can install all the necessary security patches you want and still get hacked. The security of your Os and Computer is in your own hands.
Then Firefox will probably support windows 10 for at least a few more years, and steam still works with Windows 10 for now.
As for Microsoft after official support of an Os ends they have Extended Support through the ESU of course that is a paid support service, but still exist.
So Apple could do 7 years official support then have a paid ESU program for people who want to continue to use a not so outdated Mac for a few more years.
Naw. My computer was still being sold directly from Apple in their refurbished store into 2023. The 2017 iMac was being sold by Apple into 2022. The 2021 iMac is still being sold today. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
And I have complete certainty that Microsoft isn’t going to cut support for 2019 of newer PCs within the next 2 years. Complete 100% certainty. So do you.
Had a purchased a Windows machine made in 2019, I wouldn’t have to worry about losing support only 2 years from now. You know this. I know this. Everyone in this thread knows it to.
Used computers aren't more dangerous to use security wise, cause people usually use a fresh OS install , not whatever was included.
Yes. Apple sells discontinued hardware refurbished.
Sure they sell it refurbished, but it was discontinued in 2023.
Again. You can buy a PC TODAY that cannot run windows 11.
Such a PC will not be supported by Microsoft as of this October.
I presented facts to you that don’t support your story. That doesn’t making them not facts.
It’s actually entirely possible you’d be losing support in October.
Especially if you bought a discontinued computer in 2019.
It’s actually impossible. Nobody believes you.
My iMac was not discontinued in 2019 either. It was originally released in 2019.
Every post of your is filled with lies and distortions.
I’ll never understand someone getting so angry at the idea of Apple supporting their hardware. Totally bizarre.
I’ll post some links when I’m home of some PCs you can buy right now that can’t officially run windows 11 and thus will lose Microsoft support in October.
I didn’t say your computer was discontinued in 2019. I was referring to your comment about buying a PC in 2019 and windows support
Nope. Only facts.
I’d be fine with Apple supporting computers longer and I’m certainly not angry about anything
That wasn’t a component of the claim that I was replying to
Hey guys, I bought a new in box iMac G3. I booted it up just to find out I can't update to Sequoia. I'm about to file a class action lawsuit, anyone want to join?
Again with your dishonest word games. The discussion concerns buying a computer made in 2019.
You deliberately shift that to “a discontinued PC bought in 2019”. Everyone can see what you are doing.
Since when has that stopped you in this thread?
Nearly every reply of yours is dishonest, countering a straw man, etc.
For the past while I have been honestly responding to claims made explicitly by you.
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Let me be more clear then.
You can, despite your protest, absolutely buy a PC that was built in 2019 that will no longer be officially supported by Microsoft as of October.
You can also by a brand new computer today that will no longer be officially supported by Microsoft as of October.
That’s all that I am saying.
The problem is a bit more complicated than this. Apple is constantly introducing new APIs and libraries at their OS level which makes their devices “magical”. Unfortunately this means if your device can’t install the latest OS your apps will eventually no longer be supported and you’ll need to hunt down older versions. If it’s SAS you’re screwed depending on vendor. Meanwhile windows with all its faults will run just about anything you throw at it. I had a MacBook 2007 core 2 duo. With the last supported version of macOS on that which I think was Lion, I could barely use anything. Had to downgrade to chrome 29 to get anything remotely modern. But I could dual boot install windows 10 and that ran everything.
Normally I don’t care, I upgrade my laptop once every four years or less and it’s my primary work and everything machine. But I find that old Macs can struggle. Then again I was able to install latest version of macOS via legacy patcher on a 2015 MacBook 12” so there’s that.
Normally I don’t care, I upgrade my laptop once every four years or less and it’s my primary work and everything machine. But I find that old Macs can struggle. Then again I was able to install latest version of macOS via legacy patcher on a 2015 MacBook 12” so there’s that.
