I agree with Operation Blackout! All unhappy iPhone users should turn off their phones now!!
And leave them off.
And leave them off.
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Operation Chokehold
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What you fail to recognize is that it is absolutely possible that Operation Chokehold occur at any time. This one organized event ensures that AT&T gets their act together, in that way as more iPhones are added to the network the threat of not being able to call never becomes a reality. Furthermore, 911 can always be called no matter how crippled 3G becomes.
Operation: Chokehold (bring down AT&T's network on Friday, Dec. 18)
http://www.fakesteve.net/2009/12/operation-chokehold.html
Operation Chokehold
Ill tell you something Im really blown away by the way people have responded to AT&Ts bastardly behavior over bandwidth usage. Our engineers are friggin livid. And, because theyre engineers, which means theyre basically evil little pricks, theyve come up with a plan to teach AT&T a lesson. Theyre calling it Operation Chokehold. Last night I got this email that theyve been sending around inside Apple, encouraging people to join the crusade:
Subject: Operation Chokehold
On Friday, December 18, at noon Pacific time, we will attempt to overwhelm the AT&T data network and bring it to its knees. The goal is to have every iPhone user (or as many as we can) turn on a data intensive app and run that app for one solid hour. Send the message to AT&T that we are sick of their substandard network and sick of their abusive comments. THe idea is well create a digital flash mob. Were calling it in Operation Chokehold. Join us and speak truth to power!
The engineers have asked me to serve as a kind of communications director for their efforts soliciting ideas on what apps to use (Pandora may not be the best) and how to refine the attack on the network.
If anyone has ideas, use the comment strings. Tell your friends. Get people involved. We have five days to create a movement and plan a major assault. As the Portuguese said during the Obama campaign: Si, se puede.
FWIW, many of you probably know that Woz and I got our start by selling boxes that hacked the old phone system back in the 1970s. I hate these idiots more than you can imagine. The idea of spanking them like this just gives me tingles all over.
http://www.fakesteve.net/2009/12/operation-chokehold.html
Operation Chokehold
Ill tell you something Im really blown away by the way people have responded to AT&Ts bastardly behavior over bandwidth usage. Our engineers are friggin livid. And, because theyre engineers, which means theyre basically evil little pricks, theyve come up with a plan to teach AT&T a lesson. Theyre calling it Operation Chokehold. Last night I got this email that theyve been sending around inside Apple, encouraging people to join the crusade:
Subject: Operation Chokehold
On Friday, December 18, at noon Pacific time, we will attempt to overwhelm the AT&T data network and bring it to its knees. The goal is to have every iPhone user (or as many as we can) turn on a data intensive app and run that app for one solid hour. Send the message to AT&T that we are sick of their substandard network and sick of their abusive comments. THe idea is well create a digital flash mob. Were calling it in Operation Chokehold. Join us and speak truth to power!
The engineers have asked me to serve as a kind of communications director for their efforts soliciting ideas on what apps to use (Pandora may not be the best) and how to refine the attack on the network.
If anyone has ideas, use the comment strings. Tell your friends. Get people involved. We have five days to create a movement and plan a major assault. As the Portuguese said during the Obama campaign: Si, se puede.
FWIW, many of you probably know that Woz and I got our start by selling boxes that hacked the old phone system back in the 1970s. I hate these idiots more than you can imagine. The idea of spanking them like this just gives me tingles all over.
I hope he knows that ATT can sue if said operation goes off. They can and might even press criminal charges against Fake Steve Jobs if it is pulled off as well.
It is the same way as one person can be charge with starting a riot but not really taking part in it. I would really laugh if ATT turn off all data to iPhones from 12-1 PST and then point it back to this threat and say if you want to recover any money or *blank* please contact Fake Steve Jobs.
It is the same way as one person can be charge with starting a riot but not really taking part in it. I would really laugh if ATT turn off all data to iPhones from 12-1 PST and then point it back to this threat and say if you want to recover any money or *blank* please contact Fake Steve Jobs.
^ that is a good point. AND AT&T can shut data off for a short period of time and "claim" it to be standard operating glitches that occur over large networks sometimes frequently. They never claimed you get 3G everywhere or 100% of the time.
Sometimes kids it does pay to think.
Sometimes kids it does pay to think.
This is hilarious. I'm dying to see the fallout (AT&T's response), though I'm not sure enough users could be mustered for this effort. Approximately how many might it take? How likely is it that AT&T will just head this off at noon and shut data off?
Hopefully AT&T's response would be to prosecute everyone involved in what can be considered a DDoS, which is a criminal act.
Now THAT would make the headlines!
Speaking of which . . .
http://www.informationweek.com/blog...l;jsessionid=AC4BVWN5LF1XPQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN
There's no doubt that AT&T would "get the message" if its data network crashes on Friday afternoon due to a Denial of Service attack mounted by its own customers. I think the first message it would receive is that iPhone owners are selfish people who don't care about the tens of millions of other customers who depend on AT&T's network each and every day.
I'm all for a little civil disobedience, and I suppose that technically iPhone owners would be doing nothing wrong or illegal by using services that they pay for, but this goes too far. Knowingly participating in an activity that prevents other paying customers from using the services that they pay for could be considered a breach of contract with AT&T. It might lead to iPhone users being kicked off AT&T for good.
No single customer has the right to deprive an other of their service. If I were a business owner and used AT&T's services, I'd be mad as hell if my employees were suddenly unable to use their phones during vital business hours (especially if the business is retail oriented) due to a customer-generated DOS attack.
AT&T CEO Ralph de la Vega has admitted that the company's network has a few weak spots (i.e., New York City and San Francisco, which happen to be hubs of iPhone concentration). AT&T has pledged to improve its network in these and other regions.
If "Operation Chokehold" is carried out successfully and brings down AT&T's data network even for a little while, there's no telling how the company and other customers will react. I see a big potential for lawsuits.
Who would these blessed people be? CEOs, terrorists, wingnuts, gangsters, ordinary citizens, who?
http://www.betanews.com/article/ATT-Without-a-landline-phone-you-could-die/1247069154
http://gigaom.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/attpdf.jpg
AT&T: Without a landline phone, you could die
AT&T and an associated group of telecommunications companies under the name "National Emergency Number Association" (NENA) released the results of a June survey which concludes that Americans need to have an emergency communications plan based around a landline connection.
"A big part of this is knowing about the options available for dialing 911," NENA Chief Executive Officer, Brian Fontes said in a statement. "The more choices you have to reach 911 in an emergency, the better, and a corded landline phone should be one of those options. It provides the security of a home phone line connection to 911 so that in most cases first responders know your home address."
Yes, a landline is the most reliable way to contact 911, but that doesn't make it okay to attempt to take down a wireless network and block 911 calls. What if it's somewhere where there is no landline? What if there's a bad car accident and someone is injured and in need of immediate medical attention? There aren't exactly landline phones along the roadway
I think it is funny Fake Steve sent that to the athorities yet none of what the guy sent was threatening. Compared to what Fake Steve Jobs is doing is against the law and is DDoS attack. Providing this goes off I truly do hope FSJ has crimal charges pressed against him for DDoS.
The other acting in it can say they were just using the app but FSJ does not have that defense has he is leading the DDoS attack. I honestly hope he gets nailed for it. Under the current law what he is doing falls under terrorism and it is not taken to kindly on by the eyes of the law.
The other acting in it can say they were just using the app but FSJ does not have that defense has he is leading the DDoS attack. I honestly hope he gets nailed for it. Under the current law what he is doing falls under terrorism and it is not taken to kindly on by the eyes of the law.
Um, no. Not every crime is terrorism. And not every concerted action is a crime.
But a DDoS attack is a criminal act. FSJ is doing a DDoS attack and what bumps it to terrorism is it is trying to take down ATT network across the nation. Since it crosses state lines it goes from being a state crime to a federal crime.
I think it is kind of said that everyone is blame ATT but refuse to blame apple. If you want it to change quickest way to do that is boycott apple products until they release the iPhone on other networks. Enough people do that Apple will move really fast to open things up. Things like this make it real easy for ATT to defend itself to Apple by saying hey look our network is not the problem it is people doing attacks on it that is.
First, making something a federal crime doesn't make it terrorism. Terrorism has a specific meaning, and "trying to take down ATT network" ain't terrorism. Second, it doesn't have to cross state lines to be a federal crime. Third, please cite the federal criminal statute that makes DDoS's illegal.
As for your suggested boycott with AT&T, you do realize AT&T is contractually forbidden from releasing iPhone on other networks, right?
Just a question cause I hear alot of BS flying around like terrorist and DDoS attacks labels.
If me or anyone else decides to run data intense programs like pandora, Sirius XM and others how is that considered a DDoS attack or how about the people not knowing using their iphone data alot that day?
That is nowhere near a terrorist act or a DDoS attack.
If me or anyone else decides to run data intense programs like pandora, Sirius XM and others how is that considered a DDoS attack or how about the people not knowing using their iphone data alot that day?
That is nowhere near a terrorist act or a DDoS attack.
In some jurisdictions this would be a crime since the purpose is to prevent AT&T from operating its network, and thus your use of AT&T's network has exceeded what AT&T would consent to, and what you are licensed to do (it's sort of like a trespass theory). For example, I believe there is an appeals court case in Britain to that effect. I don't know if this is the law in the U.S., but I know of no such statute at the federal level (doesn't mean there isn't one), which is why I ask the poster to produce his authority for his contention.