Pangu demo's 10.3.1 jailbreak, release expected in a week

[eyoungren]

Its sad but the truth is they can't make a jailbreak working on a current iOS version now. iOS 10.2 one was a surprise and a coïncidence when Tudesco see that he's yalu 10.1 JB can work on 10.2 but now, its over a year since an "official" jailbreak so yeah...I think the jailbreak future is clearly not good and I can't see a big turn around and suddenly see a quick ios 11 jailbreak etc..

JB comunity like youtubers try it hard to make us believe jailbreak is not dead but I think they just lie to themselves. If from now on we can only jailbreak in older iOS version and we have to play the game "dont update, wait and hope", I'm out and I believe the majority of the big crowd who jailbreak in the past will quit the boat as well.

And yes, I loved jailbreaking my devices but the past one year and half show me that I can't be blind anymore and believe jailbreak is still in good shape.

You are entitled to your own opinion of course, but I will remind you (and others) that they said jailbreaking was dead with the release of iOS 7.

They said it with the release of iOS 8.

They said it with the release of iOS 9

They said it with the release of iOS 10.

Since this thread started there has been a jailbreak released for iOS 9.3.5 on 32 bit devices. So, if you have a 4s you have a perpetual jailbreak now.

Say it's dead all you want, but just because stuff doesn't happen on the time schedule people think it should happen - doesn't make it so.

PS. You can't be blind anymore because of the last year and a half. Fine. I will just keep using the same jailbreak I've had for the last two years.

 

[TriJetHero]

I will just keep using the same jailbreak I've had for the last two years.

mmm... With your last line you sunk your own argument....

The 9.3.5 JB is a technical port from one of the existing JBs for 10.x to a year old iOS version.
It has an adoption rate of only 3.9% on iPhone with virtually no users who JB, those are all tech savvy users who have upgraded to newer phones and iOS version, so it is useless in any practical sense, save the few oddballs
It is a nice technological exercise and but not more than that.

On my 10.3.3 iPad I already received a notice that my most important app will need to be updated for iOS 11 by the developers, the further you get from current iOS version, the less useful/versatile the device becomes.

It is all about the money. In the beginning it was all about freedom en choice, gradually it was donations, the Evad3rs burned themselves with Taig and now it is fully commercialized.
Pangu and Taig were only interested because of there own app-stores, but iPhone marketshare in China is declining.
Android is bigger, so why focus expensive workforce on iOS?

In is undeniable that JB has becoming more restrictive and it takes longer and longer to get any at all, let alone for any up to date iOS version within a reasonable timeframe, also it looks like Apple has accelerated new iOS version rollout which further complicates JBing.
It has permanently changed and not for the good.

Hoping that it is alive doesn't revive it, it is more wishful thinking than anything else.
Of course I hope for a quick iOS 11 to proof me wrong but remember, hope is (usually) just postponed disappointment..

 

[eyoungren]

mmm... With your last line you sunk your own argument....

The 9.3.5 JB is a technical port from one of the existing JBs for 10.x to a year old iOS version.
It has an adoption rate of only 3.9% on iPhone with virtually no users who JB, those are all tech savvy users who have upgraded to newer phones and iOS version, so it is useless in any practical sense, save the few oddballs
It is a nice technological exercise and but not more than that.

On my 10.3.3 iPad I already received a notice that my most important app will need to be updated for iOS 11 by the developers, the further you get from current iOS version, the less useful/versatile the device becomes.

It is all about the money. In the beginning it was all about freedom en choice, gradually it was donations, the Evad3rs burned themselves with Taig and now it is fully commercialized.
Pangu and Taig were only interested because of there own app-stores, but iPhone marketshare in China is declining.
Android is bigger, so why focus expensive workforce on iOS?

In is undeniable that JB has becoming more restrictive and it takes longer and longer to get any at all, let alone for any up to date iOS version within a reasonable timeframe, also it looks like Apple has accelerated new iOS version rollout which further complicates JBing.
It has permanently changed and not for the good.

Hoping that it is alive doesn't revive it, it is more wishful thinking than anything else.
Of course I hope for a quick iOS 11 to proof me wrong but remember, hope is (usually) just postponed disappointment..

I have not in any of my arguments in this thread denied the difficulty in new jailbreaks arriving. I have not denied that jailbreaking itself has considerably slowed.

What I am not agreeing with is that it's dead yet. It isn't.

As to your statements about apps all I can say is that there is nothing I do now that is any different than what I did in 2009 on a HTC Touch Pro.

Nothing has changed since that time in how I use my phone. Apps may have been updated but there is nothing in those apps that requires me to be updated. In truth, other than for phone calls I don't need a phone.

So, while you and others may need to move on…I don't.

Which does not make jailbreaking alive of course, but does mean I cannot be counted in the argument for moving on and upgrading.

Again, I'm in a minority.

 

[TriJetHero]

I agree with you that it is not dead yet..but it is dying.

I only see a problem with your reasoning, you do point out that you are a minority, but the arguments you make against it being dead are all on a personal level, of course everbody is entitled to their own oppion, but I don't think your arguments apply to the general JB community, they do want more advanced devices and all the new iOS versions have to offer, and it used to be that within a reasonable timeframe a new JB on latest iOS versions were available.

From that perpective it is more dead then alive.

Also the release for the 9.3.5 JB which in practical sense is useless proves rather that it is dying instead of it being alive we are going backwards instead of foward. That has nothing to do with impatience or time-lines.

 

[Applejuiced]

Im starting to lose hope too
But trying to stay optimistic with a userland untethered jailbreak for ios 11...

 

[eyoungren]

I agree with you that it is not dead yet..but it is dying.

I only see a problem with your reasoning, you do point out that you are a minority, but the arguments you make against it being dead are all on a personal level, of course everbody is entitled to their own oppion, but I don't think your arguments apply to the general JB community, they do want more advanced devices and all the new iOS versions have to offer, and it used to be that within a reasonable timeframe a new JB on latest iOS versions were available.

From that perpective it is more dead then alive.

Also the release for the 9.3.5 JB which in practical sense is useless proves rather that it is dying instead of it being alive we are going backwards instead of foward. That has nothing to do with impatience or time-lines.

OK. I can see your perspective of my arguments, but I would also argue that there are still too many people wanting and waiting for a current jailbreak for it to not appear at some future date.

They said that versions of iOS 6 above iOS 6.1.3 would never be jailbroken even after the release of an iOS 7 jailbreak. And while you argue that 9.3.5 is going backwards I'd point out that the ONLY unbreakable firmware between iOS 6.0 and 9.3.5 is 8.4.1.

That's pretty good.

Of course, I'm pointing out older firmware and not pointing to newer versions. But there is now an established pattern of older versions being jailbroken later. Is it really so tragic that 10.2 and above could be jailbroken long after the initial release of iOS 11?

It is if iOS 11 is what you're on at the time, but it still doesn't indicate that jailbreaking is dead. Perhaps it may be so for current versions or perhaps it's just labeled as dead because it's not a current version or version that people want to be jailbroken.

In any case but again from a personal perspective, it may be irrelevant to me starting in 2018 if I happen to switch to Android when it's time to upgrade.

 

[TriJetHero]

And while you argue that 9.3.5 is going backwards I'd point out that the ONLY unbreakable firmware between iOS 6.0 and 9.3.5 is 8.4.1

In any case but again from a personal perspective, it may be irrelevant to me starting in 2018 if I happen to switch to Android when it's time to upgrade.

The only reason 8.4.1 is not JBen is because the iOS 9 release was 1 month after 8.4.1, with the untethered JB for 9.02 another month later, there was no need for it, why burn exploits on an old firmware?
The same goes for 9.3.5, released 1 month prior iOS 10.

The fast majority moves to the newer iOS versions, only a few hang on to the 'ancient' ones.
No dev is going to burn a undisclosed exploit to JB old firmware, if only from a money standpoint, you could make serious money on it, principals only go so far....

mmm....again you sink your own argument, why change to Android if you are happy with the phone as it is???
(I am on Android myself btw).