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m-a

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... what about the latest version of Visual Studio for Windows? Does it run as 64-bit application through Parallels on the M1?
 

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After using the tech preview for few days, I made a video sharing how to test Windows and Linux in your M1 MacBook Air using Parallels Desktop :)

 
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bill-p

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... what about the latest version of Visual Studio for Windows? Does it run as 64-bit application through Parallels on the M1?

Yes.

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I haven't tried to build anything with it yet, but it seems to launch and can clone Github at least.
 
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haralds

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How did you get it past installing Kernel ... seems to go on for hours
You need to use the ARM64 preview version from the Insider Preview program. You get a VHDX, which is a preinstalled disk image. Parallels imports it into their disk format, which you can then resize.
You log into the Insider Program and switch to the Developer Preview. The system will update to the latest after that with full x86 and 64 support.
Disable Time Sync or Guests with negative time zone offsets stall.
 

Gerdi

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Is Visual Studio a 64bit app yet?

Most of the IDE is 32 bit (x86), the ARM64 X-compilers and linkers are there in both versions x86 and x64. You can also use Clang with the Windows SDK and msbuild, which is native ARM64.

If you want to go full native, the VSCode + Clang is the way to go.

Also, is there any C++ that will work, beta or otherwise?

See above.
 
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Gerdi

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I don't need a windows vim for that.

I was writing from the perspective of targeting Windows (UWP or Win32), because there was the original question about availability of C++ within the Windows environment.

Of course you have VSCode + Clang anywhere else where Node.js and Electron is available.
 

Quackers

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Is the Windows insider preview still available?
I've joined up and when I log in I put my email address in and don't get chance to put the password in or to use Touch ID but then my name appears top right as if I'm logged in.
Every page after that asks me to log in even though I am clearly logged in.
I can't get near to downloading anything :eek:
I've installed the Parallels Desktop.
 

colday

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Is the Windows insider preview still available?
I've joined up and when I log in I put my email address in and don't get chance to put the password in or to use Touch ID but then my name appears top right as if I'm logged in.
Every page after that asks me to log in even though I am clearly logged in.
I can't get near to downloading anything :eek:
I've installed the Parallels Desktop.
Go here t get it:

Windows 10 ARM
 
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kave

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I thought I read somewhere the latest Windows beta should allow 64 bit Intel apps as well?

I have updated to the latest developer version 21277 but I am unable to run for example Firefox for 64 bit Intel.
Anyone have any ideas?
 

nobackup

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so new update for the Tech preview today ... win10 Arm gets new tools, no new tools for Linux ... still arm64 not supported, BUT much faster better support for closing VM... now actually asked what to do with VM ... still only shutdown supported but still better ... seems snapper than the last preview (Win 10 app performance ... real world not benchmarks)... really shopping up to be a solid product ...

Tried to see if I should upgrade again to 16GB ... no need launched 2 x windows 4GB VM + 2 GB Ubuntu desktop ... yes ift was swapping ... but no real slow down either in one of the VMs our outside using MacOS ... was not able to do this before in any of the parallels for intel on in Fusion ... 1 VM bogged the system down ... here what ever BigSur is doing with the Memory management and the Super fast SSD and the new architecture ... it just keeps on going , yes swap was 6GB but fully transparent ... YMMV
 

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so new update for the Tech preview today ... win10 Arm gets new tools, no new tools for Linux ... still arm64 not supported, BUT much faster better support for closing VM... now actually asked what to do with VM ... still only shutdown supported but still better ... seems snapper than the last preview (Win 10 app performance ... real world not benchmarks)... really shopping up to be a solid product ...

Tried to see if I should upgrade again to 16GB ... no need launched 2 x windows 4GB VM + 2 GB Ubuntu desktop ... yes ift was swapping ... but no real slow down either in one of the VMs our outside using MacOS ... was not able to do this before in any of the parallels for intel on in Fusion ... 1 VM bogged the system down ... here what ever BigSur is doing with the Memory management and the Super fast SSD and the new architecture ... it just keeps on going , yes swap was 6GB but fully transparent ... YMMV
Hmm no updates available for me in either Parallels or Windows.
 

bill-p

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Tried to see if I should upgrade again to 16GB ...

If you're using VMs alongside your dev environment, I'd think 16GB should be the bare minimum for 4GB VMs.

Yes, M1 swap performance penalty is probably not as big a deal as on Intel Macs, but you're still wearing out the SSDs a lot faster than if you just had more RAM to begin with.

While these SSDs have wear leveling to combat aging, the fact is just that if you continuously perform write operations on them, then they'll wear out a lot faster. And if this happens while you keep the VMs running, that means you may be stressing the SSDs all the time. That is exactly the worst case scenario.

Note that the SSDs in these machines are no longer swappable, so you may end up with an unusable machine within 5-6 years if you run the VMs all the time.

On the other hand, a 16GB machine will probably be able to last way past your life time while having the VMs running 24/7 non-stop. So personally, I'd choose the 16GB option here.
 

nobackup

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Hmm no updates available for me in either Parallels or Windows.
Must be staging the rollout popes up this Morning. And it’s only Para. Not windows
If you're using VMs alongside your dev environment, I'd think 16GB should be the bare minimum for 4GB VMs.

Yes, M1 swap performance penalty is probably not as big a deal as on Intel Macs, but you're still wearing out the SSDs a lot faster than if you just had more RAM to begin with.

While these SSDs have wear leveling to combat aging, the fact is just that if you continuously perform write operations on them, then they'll wear out a lot faster. And if this happens while you keep the VMs running, that means you may be stressing the SSDs all the time. That is exactly the worst case scenario.

Note that the SSDs in these machines are no longer swappable, so you may end up with an unusable machine within 5-6 years if you run the VMs all the time.

On the other hand, a 16GB machine will probably be able to last way past your life time while having the VMs running 24/7 non-stop. So personally, I'd choose the 16GB option here.
no need ssd in macs have been doing this for years if it was bad then thousands would have died already and there would be hugh threads here complaining. Ssds have areas set aside fir just this reason. To take care of „dead cells“ and my point was I’m impressed that even when pushed an 8GB model still pushed through
 
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bill-p

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Must be staging the rollout popes up this Morning. And it’s only Para. Not windows

no need ssd in macs have been doing this for years if it was bad then thousands would have died already and there would be hugh threads here complaining. Ssds have areas set aside fir just this reason. To take care of „dead cells“ and my point was I’m impressed that even when pushed an 8GB model still pushed through

Soldered-on SSDs have only started on Mac since about 4 years ago. All of the previous models could have their SSDs replaced.

Plus running VMs that occupy a large portion of your memory all the time is not the same as having a few swap operations happen because Photoshop is asking for a bit more. I'd argue that this is not a major problem for most people precisely because not too many people run VMs 24/7 like we do. So that's why there aren't "thousands" of reports.

But it is still a legitimate concern. You can either count on SSD manufacturers doing their jobs well, or you can just spend $200 now and not have to worry about it in the future. It's still up to you.
 
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Acidsplat

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I thought I read somewhere the latest Windows beta should allow 64 bit Intel apps as well?

I have updated to the latest developer version 21277 but I am unable to run for example Firefox for 64 bit Intel.
Anyone have any ideas?
Firefox 64 bit isn't working but 32 bit should work fine
 

nobackup

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Soldered-on SSDs have only started on Mac since about 4 years ago. All of the previous models could have their SSDs replaced.

Plus running VMs that occupy a large portion of your memory all the time is not the same as having a few swap operations happen because Photoshop is asking for a bit more. I'd argue that this is not a major problem for most people precisely because not too many people run VMs 24/7 like we do. So that's why there aren't "thousands" of reports.

But it is still a legitimate concern. You can either count on SSD manufacturers doing their jobs well, or you can just spend $200 now and not have to worry about it in the future. It's still up to you.
at the end of the day .. there is nothing we can do about it .. no amount of complaining will change a thing ... if SSDs start dying because of this like in the past Apple will step up with some kind of solution as they can not afford the negative publicity ... just like the keyboard, and dying motherboards in the past ... but then again this is the way the whole industry is going ... and don't forget MacOS uses all the memory all the time .. and even my intel MacBook Pro 32GB (i7 2018) happily uses swap for what ever reason, even when im not loading it with VM's. My theory is is first tries to compress, then stuff loaded that it has not seen used for a while gets dumped into Swap ... to free up super fast memory for your instant pleasure and delight ... so its all by design ... even windows and to some extent linux are following this trend ... so like I said there is nothing you can do ... so why bother


on a side note I own and run a cloud service company we have 100s of servers and PB of data stored only on SSD, based on the usage there (worst case is Core banking platform for some banks, millions of readwrite per hour) you would expect a Hugh fall out based on the above ... which we don't see actually have higher failure rate on some long term storage spinning disks mainly used for backup and archives ... YMMV
 
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