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startergo

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Pval said:
This is not what I said, the Windows installer won’t permit you to install it to an external drive. It’ll install just fine on an internal drive or even a SATA SSD drive on a PCI-card, just not M.2 blades.
I haven’t had the time to cc my Windows installation to a M.2 to verify if it’ll boot. But most Windows guides to installing on an external drive say this should work.
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-to-go-overview
Windows To Go is a feature in Windows 10 Enterprise and Windows 10 Education that enables the creation of a Windows To Go workspace that can be booted from a USB-connected external drive on PCs.

Windows To Go Creator
This feature allows you to install and run fully-functional Windows on an external hard drive or USB flash drive, which means you can carry this portable Windows USB drive to anywhere and use it on any computer.

https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/index.html
Once booted I don't see a reason not to be able to install a Bootcamp control panel using brigadier.
 
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Pval

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startergo said:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-to-go-overview
Windows To Go is a feature in Windows 10 Enterprise and Windows 10 Education that enables the creation of a Windows To Go workspace that can be booted from a USB-connected external drive on PCs.

Windows To Go Creator
This feature allows you to install and run fully-functional Windows on an external hard drive or USB flash drive, which means you can carry this portable Windows USB drive to anywhere and use it on any computer.

https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/index.html
Once booted I don't see a reason not to be able to install a Bootcamp control panel using brigadier.
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So... Won’t I need a Windows installation to create the To Go workspace?
 
startergo

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Pval said:
So... Won’t I need a Windows installation to create the To Go workspace?
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Sure, but you can use a ready VM :
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines
The biggest issue with the native Microsoft approach is that you need a certified USB drive or it won't boot:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-to-go-overview#wtg-hardware
This is why Hasleo's software is a better solution. It is only 29.95 USD, but you can install any version of Windows not just enterprise or educational on any USB not just Windows Certified Drives.
One thing to mention is you cannot upgrade Windows to go version say from 1803 to 1809 the native Windows way. Hasleo again provided a solution for that, which unfortunately is not free again 29.95:
https://www.easyuefi.com/windows-to-go-upgrader/index.html
 
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looking to buy samsung 970 evo 2tb for my mac pro 5.1 bootrom 140.0.0.0
what is the best cheapest adapter card i can use, need to boot from this?
thanks
 
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gatd said:
looking to buy samsung 970 evo 2tb for my mac pro 5.1 bootrom 140.0.0.0
what is the best cheapest adapter card i can use, need to boot from this?
thanks
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I/O Crest SI-PEX40129 supports a pair of m.2 cards and 3000MB/s. ~$200.
SSD7101A-1 supports four m.2 SSD's and 6000MB/s. ~$400.

Either card would have to go in slot 2 for full performance. Slot 3 and 4 will work, but max out at 1530MB/s.
 
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Might be a good idea to mention the differences between Sierra 4kb and High Sierra 512 kb sectors.
My Samsung M.2 960EVO & 970 EVO are not seen in Sierra but are OK & bootable in High Sierra 10.13.6 with the '89 bootrom.
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@MIKX, Can you offer some insight into having the 970 be bootable in 10.13.6 with 89 bootrom, on Mid2010 5,1?
That's my OS/FW, but the drive shows as external.
Formatted AFPS / GUID, if that has any bearing. Installed on the kryo m.2. PCIe adapter in slot #2.
Thought it might be of note to state that I'm getting max read/write of ~750 on Blackmagic.

Have you modified the firmware in some way to get this to work?

thank you kindly.

ms
 
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monkeyshines said:
@MIKX, Can you offer some insight into having the 970 be bootable in 10.13.6 with 89 bootrom, on Mid2010 5,1?
That's my OS/FW, but the drive shows as external.
Formatted AFPS / GUID, if that has any bearing. Installed on the kryo m.2. PCIe adapter in slot #2.
Thought it might be of note to state that I'm getting max read/write of ~750 on Blackmagic.

Have you modified the firmware in some way to get this to work?

thank you kindly.

ms
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You can modify older firmwares for NVMe boot support. It’s not a great solution and a bit of a hack. Best way is to install 140.0.0.0 firmware, but a Metal-supported video card is required to run the update.
 
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monkeyshines said:
@MIKX, Can you offer some insight into having the 970 be bootable in 10.13.6 with 89 bootrom, on Mid2010 5,1?
That's my OS/FW, but the drive shows as external.
Formatted AFPS / GUID, if that has any bearing. Installed on the kryo m.2. PCIe adapter in slot #2.
Thought it might be of note to state that I'm getting max read/write of ~750 on Blackmagic.

Have you modified the firmware in some way to get this to work?

thank you kindly.

ms
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I'm on 140.0.0.0.0 bootrom. My 960evo and 970 evo both now boot 10.13.6 HFS and 10.14.2. APFS.

The 140.0.0.0 bootrom is all you need.
 
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It’ll do 3000MB/s max in an optimal situation on 2,3 or 4 blades in a raid-0 configuration, as this is the same chip as the IOCrest / Sybia card from post #1, but with 4 blades.
 
zozomester

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Pval said:
It’ll do 3000MB/s max in an optimal situation on 2,3 or 4 blades in a raid-0 configuration, as this is the same chip as the IOCrest / Sybia card from post #1, but with 4 blades.
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With one 970evo how fast is it? Just 1500/1500mb/sec?
Thank!
 
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zozomester

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What card can about 3000 / 3000mb / sec with one NVME Blade? Only with the Highpoint card?
How much you know one Blade NVME with how IOCrest / Sybia card?
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Pval said:
It’ll do 3000MB/s max in an optimal situation on 2,3 or 4 blades in a raid-0 configuration, as this is the same chip as the IOCrest / Sybia card from post #1, but with 4 blades.
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How fast your IO-PCE2824-TM2 card with one 970 evo without Raid0?
Thank!
 
zozomester

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Pval said:
It’ll do 3000MB/s max in an optimal situation on 2,3 or 4 blades in a raid-0 configuration, as this is the same chip as the IOCrest / Sybia card from post #1, but with 4 blades.
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How fast your IO-PCE2824-TM2 card with one and two 970 evo without Raid0? I have already ordered this card and it would be important for me to info.
Thank!
 
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zozomester said:
How fast your IO-PCE2824-TM2 card with one and two 970 evo without Raid0? I have already ordered this card and it would be important for me to info.
Thank!
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The max speed to interface on the card supports is 8x 2.0 speed which is approximately 4000 MB/s minus overhead. So what they told you is the max the card will do, RAIDed or not. 3000 MB/s.
 
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