MP All Models PCIe SSDs - NVMe & AHCI

[trifero]

trifero

Which PCIe slot is the IOCREST in ? Slot 1 or slot 2 ?
( I did ask that . . . . it may be relevant. . no idea here as I don't have one yet. )

Slot 1 without the graphic card. Then speed is almost 3000. Also without graphic card but in slot 2, again 1500.

Isn´t it odd?

 

[MIKX]

Have you tried cold booting with just the GPU & the IOCREST - no other PCIe cards - two cold boots .. eg 1st cold boot GPU in Slot 1 2nd. cold boot IOCREST in Slot 1 ?

Who knows. . may reveal something . . .

If the IOCREST speed goes up in whichever slot setup. . try a warm restart & then speed test again.

Bear in mind that this is all " gut feeling " from me.

Hope you get everything straightened out.

 

[tsialex]

Slot 1 without the graphic card. Then speed is almost 3000. Also without graphic card but in slot 2, again 1500.

Isn´t it odd?

Yes, it's wrong.

If you know how to use ROMTool, do a BootROM dump, then flash the generic MP51.fd from 10.14.2. If it works correctly after that, you will need to reconstruct your BootROM, if stays the same way your probably have a defective backplane.

After the tests, flash your BootROM dump back.

 

[trifero]

trifero

Which PCIe slot is the IOCREST in ? Slot 1 or slot 2 ?
( I did ask that . . . . it may be relevant. . no idea here as I don't have one yet. )

Now slot 2. Thanks so much for your help, Mikx.
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Yes, it's wrong.

If you know how to use ROMTool, do a BootROM dump, then flash the generic MP51.fd from 10.14.2. If it works correctly after that, you will need to reconstruct your BootROM, if stays the same way your probably have a defective backplane.

After the tests, flash your BootROM dump back.

Thanks a lot, Tsialex. I have come to the same conclusion. Something in the back pane is wrong.

 

[tsialex]

Thanks a lot, Tsialex. I have come to the same conclusion. Something in the back pane is wrong.

Could be PCIe initialisation problems, like the one that causes TITAN GPUs to not work. It's more common with 2009 Mac Pros, but happens with newer ones too.

Test the generic MP51.fd, if it works, it's easy to repair with a reconstructed BootROM.

 

[trifero]

Could be PCIe initialisation problems, like the one that causes TITAN GPUs to not work. It's more common with 2009 Mac Pros, but happens with newer ones too.

Test the generic MP51.fd, if it works, it's easy to repair with a reconstructed BootROM.

It´s a matter, the rom stuff, that I don´t reallly master at all. And I don't want to steel your time. Thanks a lot tsialex. Really appreciated. Truly.

 

[startergo]

Yes, it's wrong.

If you know how to use ROMTool, do a BootROM dump, then flash the generic MP51.fd from 10.14.2. If it works correctly after that, you will need to reconstruct your BootROM, if stays the same way your probably have a defective backplane.

After the tests, flash your BootROM dump back.

What happened to the guy who had similar issue but was afraid to flash his ROM and decided to order MATT card ? Was his ROM corrupt or was it the backplane?

 

[flowrider]

OnTrac delivered my package this morning. 11 days since ordering. I/O Crest card with two 970 Pros running as individual drives in slot 2. Formatted APFs. My speeds are:

I'm pleased. Now no more spinners, seven SSDs.

However, boot time has increased. The added time is before the appearance of the Apple. The white screen is longer, and there is more rolling text than with my SM951 AHCI

Lou

 

[AlexMaximus]

^^^Since I bought my I/O Crest card the Alibaba price has increased from $169. to $199. The final price on my invoice with shipping and processing fee was $188.68. With the $30 increase that would make it at least $219. BTW, my card is in transit. It was held up at the vendor until I sent them a couple of eMails.

I really don't like doing business with the Chinese.

Lou

I received my crest card today from China. Since the card technically runs best in Slot 2 it would cover up my aircooler from my GPU. Tsialex already told me it will cook my gpu, so I will have to use either slot 3 or 4 for the crest. Which slot will you use for your crest card? Is there a difference between 3 and 4?

The other question is this: I can put my Samsung 951 and the hyperx941 ahci ssd both in the adapter and save one slot for usb-c.
Alternatively I can keep the 951 in the px1 and put only the hyperX 941 in the crest card. This would not save a slot, but I would have one ssd slot in the crest card left for a new NVMe ssd for mojave. Which rout would you go? USB-C card or a new & fast NVME in the crest? (2 TB 970 Evo would be a real treat)
Last question, can I mix an ahci ssd with a NVMe ssd inside the crest card?
Did you un-plug that noisy fan in the crest card? I think two older ahci ssd would run cooler then NVMe cards ?

 

[tsialex]

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I received my crest card today from China. Since the card technically runs best in Slot 2 it would cover up my aircooler from my GPU. Tsialex already told me it will cook my gpu, so I will have to use either slot 3 or 4 for the crest. Which slot will you use for your crest card? Is there a difference between 3 and 4?

The other question is this: I can put my Samsung 951 and the hyperx941 ahci ssd both in the adapter and save one slot for usb-c.
Alternatively I can keep the 951 in the px1 and put only the hyperX 941 in the crest card. This would not save a slot, but I would have one ssd slot in the crest card left for a new NVMe ssd for mojave. Which rout would you go? USB-C card or a new & fast NVME in the crest? (2 TB 970 Evo would be a real treat)
Last question, can I mix an ahci ssd with a NVMe ssd inside the crest card?

I used my GPU into Slot2, USB3 into Slot4.
You can use AHCI and NVMe blades into SSD7101A, so you probably will be good with IOCrest too.

 

[trifero]

OnTrac delivered my package this morning. 11 days since ordering. I/O Crest card with two 970 Pros running as individual drives. Formatted APFs. My speeds are:

View attachment 812389

I'm pleased. Now no more spinners, seven SSDs.

However, boot time has increased. The added time is before the appearance of the Apple. The white screen is longer, and there is more rolling text than with my SM951 AHCI View attachment 812390

Lou

I noticed that extended boot time also.
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I used my GPU into Slot2, USB3 into Slot4.
You can use AHCI and NVMe blades into SSD7101A, so you probably will be good with IOCrest too.

Your Gpu on slot 2 then covers both slot 3 and 4. Right?
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I received my crest card today from China. Since the card technically runs best in Slot 2 it would cover up my aircooler from my GPU. Tsialex already told me it will cook my gpu, so I will have to use either slot 3 or 4 for the crest. Which slot will you use for your crest card? Is there a difference between 3 and 4?

The other question is this: I can put my Samsung 951 and the hyperx941 ahci ssd both in the adapter and save one slot for usb-c.
Alternatively I can keep the 951 in the px1 and put only the hyperX 941 in the crest card. This would not save a slot, but I would have one ssd slot in the crest card left for a new NVMe ssd for mojave. Which rout would you go? USB-C card or a new & fast NVME in the crest? (2 TB 970 Evo would be a real treat)
Last question, can I mix an ahci ssd with a NVMe ssd inside the crest card?
Did you un-plug that noisy fan in the crest card? I think two older ahci ssd would run cooler then NVMe cards ?

I Have one Nvme and ine AHCI in the Iocrest. No prob.

 

[tsialex]

I noticed that extended boot time also.
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Your Gpu on slot 2 then covers both slot 3 and 4. Right?
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I Have one Nvme and ine AHCI in the Iocrest. No prob.

Double wide, I only lose Slot3. Since the USB3 is very short, I don’t have air starvation into the blower - this apply only to my blower type GPU plus SSD7101A, other types of GPU fan can have better solutions.

 

[trifero]

Double wide, I only loose Slot3.

Mine also double wide. I tried to install the Iocrest in slot 1 and GPU in slot 2, but this way I also lost my Slot 4. No space for the ESATA/USB 3.0 card

 

[tsialex]

Mine also double wide. I tried to install the Iocrest in slot 1 and GPU in slot 2, but this way I also lost my Slot 4. No space for the ESATA/USB 3.0 card

Worked for me with eVGA GTX680 FTW+ 4GB, SSD7101A and Orico FL1100 USB3 card.

Some GPUs are really 2,2slots, like RX-580 Nitro+. Even Sapphire Pulse RX-580 fans are a little over 2 slots.

 

[trifero]

Worked for me with eVGA GTX680 FTW+ 4GB, SSD7101A and Orico FL1100 USB3 card.

I have that GPU in my Mac Pro 3.1, but as I use 2 cinema led displays, Mini displayport, can´t use it in my 5.1

Thanks
[doublepost=1545610079][/doublepost]Uhmm,… I think I have an Kanex XD HDMI converter somewhere...

 

[handheldgames]

OnTrac delivered my package this morning. 11 days since ordering. I/O Crest card with two 970 Pros running as individual drives. Formatted APFs. My speeds are:

View attachment 812389

I'm pleased. Now no more spinners, seven SSDs.

However, boot time has increased. The added time is before the appearance of the Apple. The white screen is longer, and there is more rolling text than with my SM951 AHCI View attachment 812390

Lou

good observation...

usually ram + pcie card adds to your bootup time. Although, AHCI PCIe SSD + PCIe 3.0 NVMe ssd seems to extend the startup time more than they extend it individually summed. ie. ahci pcie+nvme pcie+some ahci&nvme combo/conflict delay+other hardware&ram = boot time.

 

[trifero]

good observation...

usually ram + pcie card adds to your bootup time. Although, AHCI PCIe SSD + PCIe 3.0 NVMe ssd seems to extend the startup time more than they extend it individually summed. ie. ahci pcie+nvme pcie+some ahci&nvme combo/conflict delay+other hardware&ram = boot time.

Macs check RAM at booting. More intensive in Mac Pro´s. Better measure boot time from the moment that the apple appears in screen.

 

[flowrider]

The other question is this: I can put my Samsung 951 and the hyperx941 ahci ssd both in the adapter and save one slot for usb-c.
Alternatively I can keep the 951 in the px1 and put only the hyperX 941 in the crest card. This would not save a slot, but I would have one ssd slot in the crest card left for a new NVMe ssd for mojave. Which rout would you go? USB-C card or a new & fast NVME in the crest? (2 TB 970 Evo would be a real treat)
Last question, can I mix an ahci ssd with a NVMe ssd inside the crest card?
Did you un-plug that noisy fan in the crest card? I think two older ahci ssd would run cooler then NVMe cards ?

The I/O Crest card is mounted in slot 2 just above my GTX 1080. There is a bit of air space between the two cards. My GPU is a blower type with three fans. Prior to this card, I had an Apricorn Velocity Duo x2 with two 2½" SSDs mounted on it. That caused no heating issues. The I/O Crest is a bit longer, but so far temps seem fine.

My PX1 and SM951 is in slot 4.

I have a small USB 3 card in slot 3.

My I/O Crest card has 2 NVME 970 Pros. Yes, you can mix AHCI and NVME in the I/O Crest card, but that is not what I did.

The fan in my I/O Crest card is not noisy to my ears. My machine is silent.

Lou

 

[trifero]

Worked for me with eVGA GTX680 FTW+ 4GB, SSD7101A and Orico FL1100 USB3 card.

Some GPUs are really 2,2slots, like RX-580 Nitro+. Even Sapphire Pulse RX-580 fans are a little over 2 slots.

Could put Iocrest in Slot 1, GPU in Slot 2 and the Caldigit FASTA-6GU3 Plus in slot 4.

Now The NVMe and AHCI at full speed.

Thank you so much

 

[zozomester]

I removed the fan from the I/O Crest card. So he remained silent....
I use it in the 2 socket.

 

[finarfinius]

Hi everyone, so can i boot from an NVMe on Mac pro 5,1 just using the official Firmware from updating to Mojave?

(Update to Mojave, get a Angelbirds Wings PX1 with an NVMe SSD, and install New Mojave on that)

didn't find a clear and definitive answer on that

 

[trifero]

Hi everyone, so can i boot from an NVMe on Mac pro 5,1 just using the official Firmware from updating to Mojave?

(Update to Mojave, get a Angelbirds Wings PX1 with an NVMe SSD, and install New Mojave on that)

didn't find a clear and definitive answer on that

Not exactly updating to Mojave, you have to update the firmware. That´s only posible from a full install archive or disk, not a Delta update.

 

[bsbeamer]

Hi everyone, so can i boot from an NVMe on Mac pro 5,1 just using the official Firmware from updating to Mojave?

(Update to Mojave, get a Angelbirds Wings PX1 with an NVMe SSD, and install New Mojave on that)

didn't find a clear and definitive answer on that

You just need to install firmware update to 140.0.0.0.0. There is an entire thread dedicated to this. Once you’ve updated firmware, Mojave install is NOT required.

 

[Chicago Keri]

Intel 760p NVMe 1tb running in a plain non-switch adapter with heatsink (the previously mentioned Fry's example): just under the 1500 level, according to Blackmagic. My rationale was to quadruple the size rather than the speed.
Cloning the old AHCI Samsung blade with SuperDuper went flawlessly.
Not the fastest choices, but I prefer Intel's focus on compatibility to Samsung.

Maybe someday I'll go with one of the recommended "switch" cards... I wouldn't bet on any of this being useable in the next generation of Mac Pro, so maybe the money would be better put aside until then?

 

[trifero]

Intel 760p NVMe 1tb running in a plain non-switch adapter with heatsink (the previously mentioned Fry's example): just under the 1500 level, according to Blackmagic. My rationale was to quadruple the size rather than the speed.
Cloning the old AHCI Samsung blade with SuperDuper went flawlessly.
Not the fastest choices, but I prefer Intel's focus on compatibility to Samsung.

Maybe someday I'll go with one of the recommended "switch" cards... I wouldn't bet on any of this being useable in the next generation of Mac Pro, so maybe the money would be better put aside until then?

Novody knows nothing about the new Mac Pro...